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  1. #40190
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Yeah this makes no sense at all. Today I am hiring you to paint a house and I am going to pay you $1000. Next week I need you to come paint the same size house, but then that day I will pay you $600. You would probably tell me to go fuck myself.

    If you want to pay less than 500,000 then you better set something lower than that as the expectation from the beginning. It is easy to get someone to accept extra. It is hard to get them to accept less than what you have gotten them accustomed to. An exception would be to make it clear at the time of the 500,000 deal that you will pay that one time only and from here on out you will only pay 300,000.
    Mr. E. I never thought I'd hear the words "only pay 300,000" come out of your mouth. Are you sure you're alright?

  2. #40189

    Negotiate but

    Quote Originally Posted by Kafka  [View Original Post]
    A newbie would give you a price a real pro will take you for everything you have.
    Never on line, always discuss the details in person. 2 reasons, pics can be deceiving and you can get a better feel for their attitude. Also, once they arrive at your place you hold the edge and they are more apt to accept less than to leave empty handed.

  3. #40188

    Exactly

    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    I am laughing my ass off right now. Mfs want to call themselves putting pussy on retainer by being a WUT (Western Union Trick). As many examples as there are (some dudes are even falling for the same shit multiple times!) and mfs still do not learn. Pay as you go: C.O.D.

    As soon as this pandemic shit hit and guys were talking about sending money, I said you better keep your shit in your pocket. You do not know if you will end up needing it with the upcoming events and you do not know if you will ever see that chick again. But of course everybody knows what they are doing with their money and it is theirs to do as they see fit.

    Yet 9 months later and some countries are still closed so it is impossible to see the girl and in other countries that have opened the girls that you sent all the money to is refusing to see you. I can't stop laughing about this shit. I told you, I told you!
    Everyone knows these colombian girls, it never gets old! Do for those who do for me, end of story. Pollo negro is out!

  4. #40187

    Day 3 a day of surprises

    Day 3 was a day of totally unexpected and mostly good surprises. On the bad note, there were the events with Stefany.

    The irony is that I had a similar spat with the girl I was to meet that afternoon, Jessie. Jessie was a girl I met in Medellin but did not have sex with the first time we met. Later, I flew her to Bogota and we got it on there, but she was a lousy companion. I lost count of how many times she said, "Ewww, I am not doing that. " I was very impressed with her outside the bedroom though. She is nearing completion of her civil engineering degree, was valedictorian in her high school class, and is an entrepreneur. When we had finished having our American sex prison style session, she had responded like an American woman spewing off crap about how she was disrespected ETC.

    I had written her off as a hopeless ***** and she then months later begged me to help her because her mother was sick, and she needed my help. I told her if she did not give a fuck about how I felt, why should I care about her? She apologized, told me she was scared, and pleaded with me, "Please do not give up on me. I will try to please you if we are together again."

    I bought her medications for herself and her family and we got her a swimsuit that she could wear by the pool. She looked great. We kissed on the mattress in the sun and junior was erect and wanting her badly. She stroked him and then giggled being embarrassed in public. Finally, we decided to go back to the room and have sex.

    She did not DFK or do a BBBJ, but she mounted me bare and rode me as hard and as long as she possibly could. She was dripping with sweat, smiling, and her pussy drained white cum. Yes, Jessica finally fucked me like a Colombian girl should. She did not ask for any money and was happy with just the goods I bought her. She sent me a sweet text saying that she had a good time, was thrilled that I might be able to help her out with her business, and hoped that she would see me again soon.

    I never dreamed that she would be a keeper.

    I was contemplating what to do that night. Should I venture to Centro, check out a Casa? My flight to Cartagena was early in the morning but I wanted one more shot before I left.

    And then the biggest surprise of them all happened. Susan texted me. Hell to the yea I screamed!

    Susan is this 20 something coed that is stunning and comes from an upper class family and is sweet, horny, and compliant as the day is long. She showed up in these short shorts and tube top prompting every man to gawk at her. She looked like an Oriental sex doll. Management was screaming about a guest fee. Sigh. Well, I had waited months to boink this gal and no guest fee was going to stop me.

    After we went to the hotel room, about ten seconds and two words later, her tongue was down my throat. 30 seconds later, my cock was in her mouth, and she was giving me great head. Three minutes later, she was riding me bare and having an orgasm. She was one of these one and done girls. She came and really was not that interested in further sex. So I got on top, and she complied but she was not that into it. I told her to flip over and fucked her doggie, and I got more of a reaction. Then I asked if I could fuck her in the ass. Muy bien, she replied. I still was not getting off, so I finally jerked myself off and came all over her face.

    Even when I was writing this, Susan is sending me videos of her masturbating and texted, "I am playing with myself and thinking of you when I do it. " Shit, I wish I had had a girl like this when I was in college. She is an amazing freak, a total cum dumpster.

    We probably talked for 5 minutes after we were done playing, and she said she had to go back to her studies. She is studying law and is pretty close to being done. I laughed at the irony of having been with a lawyer in Mexico before. The same was true now in Colombia. In America, lawyer fucks you. In Colombia, you fuck lawyer.
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  5. #40186
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    Interesting post with good information.
    You're really diving deep into this numbers / negotiation rabbit hole man.

    I'm assuming you will be actually traveling to Colombia soon? LOL.

  6. #40185
    Quote Originally Posted by MrEnternational  [View Original Post]
    Pay as you go:
    Agreed as to your statements and Kafka's statements.

    Lots of others could learn a thing or two from this instead of sending money to a chica you may never see in person.

    For those interested in not being a simp anymore (I. E. Sending money via western union), consider learning from this legend, Tim Sharky.

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=BSW6K5Jf5mk

  7. #40184
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazeu  [View Original Post]
    To sum it all up, there are sooooo many girls on facebook. Its really not hard. I've had 100 percent success rate asking girls if they will fuck for money on facebook. Without much effort I've gotten most of the offers down to 150 k, but I've actually been too busy with other avenues to actually take a girl up on an offer.
    Interesting post with good information.

    On seeking my friend Got a number 9 for 350,000 For 3 hours. He only found 2 other tens 1 of them turned down the 300,000 offer. She was a model and proof of it was Her Facebook working for brands and professional photographers. Sure there are many girls for 150 or 200,000 but Are they working with professional camera equipment. So the guy told her 800,000 for for a 4 hour date and the 2nd date 400,000 For 3 hours. But this is just because honestly there aren't that many supermodels on seeking. The number of tens is very very low. The other He set her up for multiple dates for 400,000. But then changed his mind and told me he could just jerk off. Because honestly the quality just isn't there. Even for these high 10s. Verified story I read all the private messages and And saw the all the pictures

  8. #40183
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    Hey, thanks for the post. Very entertaining text. Just wondering what will happen if 1 of these girls finds out her pictures are being posted online? What if she retaliates? What if she gets violent?
    Good for you Frank. You seemed to get the sugar baby concept.

    Kiara was using seeking.com as a prostitution site. She is a working girl who happens to be a 10 I wanted to bang. She was not good enough in the sack for me to see again, and I do not care about posting her pictures because I am never going to see her again.

    Stefany is a much different case. She has not been with a guy other than me in the P4P world and I think that she has seen 3 guys in her lifetime. She is a college student that has been cooped up in Barranquilla going to school with strict parents who monitor her every move.

    I did not finish up what happened with her. She texted me the next day wanting to get together. I said I might be able to get together with her late like around 10, and she countered that she wanted to meet for dinner at 5. She had asked me before if I was seeing other women, and I wanted to go bare with her, so I lied and told her no. She seemed not to believe me and asked for 300,000 COP more. I asked if she was going to go bare like she said. She said that she was not sure. I said that she seemed to be more interested in my money than keeping her word and pleasing me. She said I cared more about sex than her. I did not respond and have not spoken to her since.

    This is what happens when a sweet innocent one gets her around her more worldly cousin. LOL. She will hang with her cousin convinced there is better out there, find out there is not, and text me and want to see me again. I am not interested. She had her chance and she blew it. I liked her look, her voice and her passion but I thought she would be more interested in pleasing me. I have no use for a woman who weasels out of her word and uses emotion as an excuse. As you will see, Frank, I could have gotten what I wanted eventually but she was not special enough for me to correct her or to wait on her.

    As for women retaliating, that is the thought of someone stuck in the sex prison who needs to go to Colombia.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    Unless the girl is some sort of gem that cannot be replaced and that inspires a guy to pay more then 400,000 or 300,000 per meeting is okay. For the 1st meeting 500,000 is okay but then the price should go down closer to 300,000 or 400,000. This is a lot of money in MED. Let them go. If they want to charge rates from other continents.
    Frank, she was a friend who had a need not a hooker I paid a price to. I cannot recall how many times I have told guys with SA / seeking who ask how much for a girl, "How about you start at zero and see how it goes?" If I told Stefany I was short of cash and would give her money later, I could have given her nothing and gotten away with it because I had supported her through the quarantine. I had given her grocery money so she and her family could eat, and I would do it again. The 500,000 COP was not a price but a gift.

    Except for Kiara, there was no negotiating "price" or talk of money with ANY of the women I saw. If I gave them money, I put whatever I wanted to in the woman's purse when I was done. The most money I spent on anyone was on Jessica, and I did not give her a penny in cash. I bought her a swimsuit because I wanted to hang out by the pool with her and I bought medication for her and her mother.

    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    All I'm saying guys, it doesn't pay off to act rich and throw money around. I think the girls will appreciate more down to earth humble Generous type of man. It's probably better to say I'm going to pay this amount so you can be happy and have fun and get to work but please don't think I have all this money that I can just throw around.
    You guys keep thinking in absolute terms. It depends on what it is for. You pay the medical bill for a girl's mother you are a hero. You spend $1000 for a bottle of vodka at a club to show off you are "rich", you look like a doofus.

    On top of it, there is always something that impresses me. When I am doing well, I will ask a few of my women, "Are things going good? Do you need some help (as in money)?" Three of the women in my reports (Angel, the Queen, and Stacy) have said we do not need any money. That is one way that you know that they are not working girls.

    They are tons of women out there that want to fuck guys for help once in a while and do not want to look like or feel like working girl. And even some if not most of them are really not interested in sinking their hooks into guys for child support or marriage. Especially in times like this, they just need some help, and those are the women I am after.

  9. #40182
    Get your story straight-- you already said she did CIM the night before. So why the need to remind her unlike the previous night .. ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    I awoke that morning with an erection and Stefany took care of me again, but this time, I reminded her that I wanted her to go bare as she had agreed to. I got close to mounting her and she cried like a baby, "I am scared" Oh boy, here we go again I thought. I tried to explain things to her about safety and condoms but I got nowhere. I grabbed a condom and finished off inside her. We agreed to have lunch with her cousin, and I agreed to pay for some shopping. Stefany's cousin spoke English and had an American boyfriend, and I winced upon learning that. Stefany had stayed the night and asked for 500,000 COP which really is not that excessive given the exchange rate. The problem is that meeting her cousin had led to a sea change in attitude. I said goodbye to Stefany and told her that I might see her the following night because I had business plans, the business being meeting other women, and she seemed sad to see me go.

  10. #40181
    Quote Originally Posted by Osteoknot  [View Original Post]
    Most of my girls and not sex workers and I have never been refused a pussy foto. Now, if you are talking about a photo that shows the face and pussy at the same time, that is puta material. But pussy photos are like greeting cards to Colombian chicas jajaja.
    I was actually checking out some of the talent you had posted in the past. Well done man, they all looked great.

    In Colombia, I pretty much stopped hunting for non-pros, ever since I got into the P4P game.

    It's a double edged sword, in my experience, because I definitely miss the chase and the pursuit. And I miss having the drive to pick up non-pros in the states and abroad.

  11. #40180
    A newbie would give you a price a real pro will take you for everything you have.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kazeu  [View Original Post]
    Each girls going rate is different. They will try to get as much as they can out of you. You need to negotiate. One girl I was chatting with started out at 350 k, she quickly dropped down to 150 k. I thought more about and was a bit pissed that she started out at 350. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to her initial price. At least then I know she wasn't trying to swindle me at first.

    These are the pics she sent me. Is that worth 150? Depends on you and the girl and the market. If you are really finding 10's, 400 k doesn't sound like that much, but I suspect what's happening with most guys is that they don't know the market down here and they're really paying 350 k for 6's.

    To sum it all up, there are sooooo many girls on facebook. Its really not hard. I've had 100 percent success rate asking girls if they will fuck for money on facebook. Without much effort I've gotten most of the offers down to 150 k, but I've actually been too busy with other avenues to actually take a girl up on an offer.

    There is 1 facebook girl, who has really caught my eye. I've been putting a little extra effort with her. She hasnn't mentioned pricing yet. So maybe she's a newbie. We shall hopefully see soon.

  12. #40179
    Quote Originally Posted by Elvis2008  [View Original Post]
    So I change hotels and go to the Medellin Marriott. It is really nice. Gym and pool are open and are fabulous. I put Susan's name on the guest list. And she blows me off. "I am really busy studying and I do not know if I can meet." Say what? *****, I have been giving you money keeping you afloat through the quarantine and you do this?

    I had a feeling the help I was giving was going to be all for naught, .
    I am laughing my ass off right now. Mfs want to call themselves putting pussy on retainer by being a WUT (Western Union Trick). As many examples as there are (some dudes are even falling for the same shit multiple times!) and mfs still do not learn. Pay as you go: C.O.D.

    As soon as this pandemic shit hit and guys were talking about sending money, I said you better keep your shit in your pocket. You do not know if you will end up needing it with the upcoming events and you do not know if you will ever see that chick again. But of course everybody knows what they are doing with their money and it is theirs to do as they see fit.

    Yet 9 months later and some countries are still closed so it is impossible to see the girl and in other countries that have opened the girls that you sent all the money to is refusing to see you. I can't stop laughing about this shit. I told you, I told you!

  13. #40178
    Quote Originally Posted by Kazeu  [View Original Post]
    Reprisal from what or who? I don't get it. Its your own fault if you overpay. 90 percent of the time they will never see you again. They will try to get as much money as they can from you and they are not going to cry about it. Maybe laugh, but not cry.
    Well 1 girl said to me I don't like to take more money than the standard price because it's their money. And she had this face like she just didn't want to mess with people. She was talking to me about what she does when guys give her more money than she wants. I think she just didn't want to do something wrong. I don't know anymore I would have to ask her to explain further. Another girl I gave her 500 she gave me 200 back and told me It's only 300. She was genuinely honest and for that reason alone she got a few more Gifts. I didn't go to another girl. I have to thank her by staying with her. The 3rd girl gave me 40 back and told me the tip wasn't necessary.

    Yeah there's probably a all sorts of Girls that keep the extra money. I guess I was lucky. But sometimes honesty is sexy.

  14. #40177
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    Hey bro I feel your pain. It's natural, everybody gets tense when we talk about money. However, imagine a Man from Alabama spent 800,000 for 3 hours At seeking arrangement. So the forum members tell him hey good for you you had a good time but we just want to let you know politely that you could get 6 to 8 hours with 800,000 split into 2 dates. So the man from Alabama tells us thanks for letting me know I'll do it next time. In this way a healthy conversation about pricing is beneficial to everyone. Also a lot of girls do not want to overcharge the customer for fear of reprisal. I have Personally heard them say this.
    Reprisal from what or who? I don't get it. Its your own fault if you overpay. 90 percent of the time they will never see you again. They will try to get as much money as they can from you and they are not going to cry about it. Maybe laugh, but not cry.

  15. #40176
    Quote Originally Posted by Frank11  [View Original Post]
    Well I think what was mentioned was 300,000 through 500,000 for a 3 hour date on seeking With 1 of the top girls.

    If you got a 3 hour date with a top girl on seeking for 200,000 please tell us about it. Or, What exactly are you talking about? I think that 200,000 could work with some of the girls but Would it work with the top girls?

    Some of the girls on seeking don't even work in the economy massage parlors where the girls are more affordable. And then again Some of the girls on seeking look like they couldn't even get a date for free These girls may actually have to pay a guy.

    Also how much is the going range for Facebook girls ? Because I think some guys mentioned 150,000 maybe someone said 200,000.
    Also there are some escort ads with pretty women that say 120 for one hour 240 for 2 hours.
    Each girls going rate is different. They will try to get as much as they can out of you. You need to negotiate. One girl I was chatting with started out at 350 k, she quickly dropped down to 150 k. I thought more about and was a bit pissed that she started out at 350. I would have more respect for her if she stuck to her initial price. At least then I know she wasn't trying to swindle me at first.

    These are the pics she sent me. Is that worth 150? Depends on you and the girl and the market. If you are really finding 10's, 400 k doesn't sound like that much, but I suspect what's happening with most guys is that they don't know the market down here and they're really paying 350 k for 6's.

    To sum it all up, there are sooooo many girls on facebook. Its really not hard. I've had 100 percent success rate asking girls if they will fuck for money on facebook. Without much effort I've gotten most of the offers down to 150 k, but I've actually been too busy with other avenues to actually take a girl up on an offer.

    There is 1 facebook girl, who has really caught my eye. I've been putting a little extra effort with her. She hasnn't mentioned pricing yet. So maybe she's a newbie. We shall hopefully see soon.
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