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Humanitarian Flights cannot be cancelled once they are scheduled. Only Commercial Flights are allowed to be cancelled.

What is the point of scheduling "humanitarian flights" (let us reflect on the meaning of the word "humanitarian") and bearing their high cost, when there are commercial regular flights scheduled?

[GeneHickman]

What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.

The point is when weighing up risks its important to stay objective. That is not something most mongers do well faced with the prospect of youthful paisa pussy. 180 k deaths in the US so far, at this rate Colombia is on the way to the same numner per capita, just a couple of months behind, with the prospect of going even higher. As a comparison, in the US its roughly 40 k MVA deaths and a similar number of gun deaths......over and entire year! Yet that is a risk we have learnt to accept and live with. If you look at the locations caught off guard or that let be, then the death rates per capita was like 4-5 x the national average. Imagine if a place like MDE were to get to that. I sure as hell wouldn't want to be there through that period. I think by next summer everything blows over and its quite safe again. The risks of crime and car accidents are on the low side compared to this real and present contagious disease in a society where community spread is rampant.

Sure each monger will decide for himself, and maybe a young, fit, 30 yr old will not care. I am not here to comvince anyone, but framing the risk as just another similar level to the usual risk is not accurate.

[Knowledge]

Your question, if that what it is, isn't clear. I hope this helps:

There is health insurance available in Colombia and hospitals accept it. The plans vary by inclusions / exclusions, cost, and other conditions. If you were asking about insurance purchased outside of Colombia you should consult the insurer. Certain plans from other countries include or can be enhanced by international travel coverage. Apologies if I misinterpreted what you were getting at.

Do you know if they will take insurance in light of that upfront payment? Do you know how much they are asking for upfront? That may be a reason for me not to go.

In a weird way, Colombian hospitals bilking the government and insurance companies with Covid just like they are in the USA is refreshing to me in a weird way because they have been devoid of so many revenues from elective procedures. The treatment for Covid is heparin (cheap), steroids, (cheap), and oxygen (should be cheap). I think that people miss the point with Covid. Everyone is talking about death, but death rates are down. The thing is that people do get sick very quickly with Covid, and they need high dose oxygen right away.

When Sly one said that oxygen is in short supply in Peru, that clinched it for me, no fucking way am I going there if that is the case. Not having oxygen may be why the death rates are so high in Peru. He also indicated that they are not taking insurance only cash for oxygen.

Anyone interested in Colombia should probably do what is mandated in Brazil and buy health insurance when going to Colombia once it opens. It was dirt cheap for Brazil. For a two week trip, $20 got you $50,000 in coverage.

The question now is: will the hospitals just take the insurance or do they want thousands up front like the hospitals in Peru do? Does anyone here know?

[Mojo Bandit]

I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly

I agree with you and a quick internet source research I did agrees with you also. Anyone familiar with the standard in the USA for a hospital to do business insurance / medicaid wise is Joint Commission accreditation. There is an international Joint Commission and there are Hospitals in Colombia that are certified. Two in Bogota, one in Medellin, one in Cali, and one in Floridablanca / Bucaramanga. The one in Medellin is Hospital Pablo Tobon Uribe.

https://www.worldhospitalsearch.org/...=Colombia&pg=2

It is worth mentioning that Joint Commission is a business and they are expensive so outside the USA just because a hospital is not accredited with them it might just mean they do not want to pay the expensive fees. It is not necessarily a reflection on the quality of the hospital. Colombia has been known as a "medical tourism" country where people come to get procedures that are much more expensive in USA so maybe they get the accreditation to attract people from outside the country.

[Gringo Trooper]

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[Wolf662]

If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.

I'd read this BBC article, the US is not the worse by per capita:

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-53780196

[SpiderRider]

I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly and I doubt there are any treatments that are "unknown" to them. Many international ratings put the Colombian health care system far ahead of the USA. Now. Before you get riled up. I believe that if you have great insurance or a lot of money there is some of the best health care in the world available in the USA. But, not available to everyone I've been told. Anyway, my main point is that the standards for doctors and medical procedures is very high in Colombia. The hospitals may not be as luxurious or sometimes as comfortable, but the skill levels and access to medical knowledge is there. But I don't want to have Covid there. Or anywhere for that matter.

I haven't been inside a hospital here in Medellin or anywhere else in Colombia. I know, however, that my good friend's niece had a brain surgery that I am familiar with (aneurysm coiling procedure) in March or April (visiting restricted to parents only, 1 hour a day, that was cruel in my opinion) and it was a complete success.

[LoveItHere69]

Hotel Botero (Ayenda 1235) has 2 glass entrance doors. The door handles on both doors have been removed. Interpret that to the best of your ability.

Wolf662. I went for my 500 peso chocolate caramel inside donut on the other corner today. Crossed the street and asked the police officer if the sub-station will be open 24/7 after things return to normal. He said yes. I have seen several police sub-stations in parks. The police come and go. Mostly they are gone as things get later and more quiet at night. That area is full of lady boys so run fast!

Side Note:

Some of the stories you guys write are so much BS you should write your fantasy stories on the literotica site.

Bad Girls:

Walking Calle 52. Side of Museum is on your right and side of buildings are on your left. Turn left on what I call "bar street" Carrera 53. Keeping on the left side of the street you pass 50 meters of brick wall and come to your first business entrance which is a short time hotel. The hotel only asked for ID once out of 6 visits. But that was the last time I was there so not sure what is happening currently. Anyways, I believe all the girls are bad there. I only took the cute little spinner in front because the rest are fugly. I got her number a month ago and she wanted 40,000 paid upfront. I waited over a month. Finally I thought I would try it and hope for the best. She was horrible. Pulled her tube top like bra up but not off. Shoes still on and got into the doggie position. I did not play with her boobs or try other positions. I knew I had a lemon. If I tried anything else with her I would have become deflated and never got back up again. There goes $13 good hard earned dollars. Someone please start a Go-Fund-Me page for me to get my money back.

There are a bunch of pick pockets in that group. 3 that I know of. I have not been bothered during the day but at 6:00 pm when it starts getting dark they try to grab onto you grabbing your ass, junk, and fake hug. There is a black girl, a Latin girl, and a fat ugly sickly pale white looking girl. The fat one was walking towards me with a skinny guy friend with her. She tried to hug the guy walking in front of me and I saw in her hand the 5000 bill she won off the local guy as she past by me.

Some Downer Dating Attempts:

I normally pay 50,000 and had a few no shows during the lock down days. One claimed she could not find a baby sitter. I explained that everyone is trapped indoors during the lock down. How is that even possible? Anyways she came the next lock down weekend. She had 3 balloons with candy bars in some pretty arrangement she was taking to her niece after she left my place.

At Centro a girl wanted 50,000. I did not really want her but I had told her I would take her a week before until she quoted that price. All the others want 30,000 so her asking 50,000 told me she was going to be worthless and she was no big deal to be sure.

There is this one girl I was watching. Usually sitting next to a candy or coffee seller. Normally dresses in T-shirt and jeans (nothing sexy). Last week I saw her in a tight dress thing I did not like. Girl next door type with a little makeup, nice hair, new looking clothes. Never saw her go with anyone. She must have seen me at least twice minimum. Finally decided it was her turn and showed her 30,000 on my calculator. She said no and then types her price of 120,000. That answers why I had never seen her go with any guy.

Had a really big boob girl who was 2 months pregnant. It was great. But not the next day. Took her again. This time her neck tickled so could not kiss her there. Her boobs also tickled as I tried to suck on them. Deleted her number as soon as I was out the hotel door!

Coffee girl between the front of the Museum and the street. She is skinny with blondish light brown hair. Her boobs are mush. Sex was good though. I mention her because I saw her pull the neckline of her shirt down, squeeze her boob, and shoot a guy with her milk. So if you are looking for a coffee with real milk. Best get it quickly.

PN "The girls are much more emaciated and the weight loss is evident. "

Many girls have my number and they are not lighting up my phone. So after saying that and the examples listed above. Exactly where are these starving girls and the gang you spoke of before that runs everything in Centro? People everywhere around the world are hurting for money, but pretty girls are not. Nothing has changed with these girls during my 3 months Barranquilla or 2 months in Medellin. No replies, no shows, late, horrible performance, asking too much and not coming down with the price to where reality is.

As for the danger you speak of. I have 5 different pairs of plaid shorts and flip flops I wear. I might as well be wearing a shirt in Spanish that on the front says "Non-Spanish speaking lost foreigner" and the back "If your rob me. You are just practicing. I am poorer than you". I am short and always alone and largely get left alone. You make it sound so dangerous like guys need to come to you like you are an expert and they need you as a guide. It is not fair to the newbies that do not know what to believe. Now for the guys that have been coming here for years and believe you then they are in a world of hurt in paying attention and logical thinking. I speak no Spanish, have 1 month experience last year and 1 months currently. (Had to subtract a month for lock down and avoiding Botero at times. Girls getting mad I took them once but not a second time.) So I am not even hunting hard like I used to.

Danger:

My bad. There is danger. Sitting across from Premier Plaza Suite. Girl trying to talk to me around 7:00 pm got shit on her shoulder by a bird. Very tiny amount. Next week I made the mistake of sitting there at 8:00 and I felt something at my ankle. Thought it was a mosquito. Damn it! I got bird shit on my ankle and onto the heel of my sandals. Then at my hotel I noticed a spot on the back of my shirt from either a direct hit or leaning back in the chair. This is a true story. I shit you not and I fear being under trees at night in Botero.

Fun to be had:

I have had some really hot and fun girls. The last one is the best one. 18, big firm tits, flat tummy, pretty face with slight dimples, fun attitude. 9 or 10. Took her 2 days in a row and probably see her Saturday and Sunday this weekend. Praying she does not change hotels. She is 1.5 blocks away and right on time. Eventually I hope to do her friend. I would love to post her pix but afraid to ruin her gravy train if by chance one of you fools had met her before me and are sponsoring her now in her time of need.

Bad Short Time Hotels:

On Calle 51 near Carrera 53 is a D1 Store. If you walk out D1 Store. Across the street and to your right is a short time hotel. I noticed police outside twice. About a week later a girl took me there and in the first room to the right at the top of the stairs were 2-3 police in one of the rooms. The light was off so could not see well and did not want to stare. Never seen that before. I asked the girl later and she said the owner was friends with the police. Strange they were talking in a semi-dark room rather than in the office area. I will not go there. They are friends. But neither the owner nor the police are friends with me. I can vision many bad scenarios but few good ones. Though I have not noticed police there since.

Short walk to the corner short time hotel. The girls buy food downstairs and then go upstairs to eat in the ST hotel. Nice view of the action from there. Outside it is the one with the bars that curve around the top floor. But I hate that ST hotel. So loud and they are always banging on doors to kick people out. They also knock at the 20 minute mark from what I can tell from my 2 visits.

I should be leaving on the next humanitarian flight out in October if they continue. Any lurkers here that wants to learn what is really happening in Centro PM me. I will point out my bad, OK, and good girls. I can show you the lady boy area too. Hard to miss them. They were surrounding my earlier hotel. Not my thing. So I will walk you around, get my favorite donuts that is in that area, and leave you to it. 15 minute walk from Botero, 15 minutes to show you their location. I will not stop and chat with them. I do not want them to bother me when I get my donuts.

Now if someone wants to show me around to the few open casas or massage parlors that would be great. That is an arena I have not played in yet. It would save me much time since so many are closed.

Food:

Warning food porn! About 2 blocks away across from Miami Center is Los Torres Horno why Parrilla Cra. 53 #49-43. Opens noon to 6:00? Great smoked meat and lots of it! Better than grilled. I told him to give me the double meal for 35,000. He was hinting to the single for 25,000 but I wanted leftovers. He gave me a taste even though I did not need convincing. I was buying. The smell alone did that. Go by and take a taste test. If these girls only knew that if they put a touch of smoked bacon grease on their necks most of us could not resist them (so much better than flowery perfume).

Food warning. OK only about lettuce. They store the lettuce in cold water to keep crisp and so it does not brown. Problem is that the water from my salad run into my other food. My battered and fried fish was getting a bit soggy. Yuck. Same happened when eating tacos. The lettuce caused the tortilla shells to be soggy.

Travel:

I said it before (Barranquilla thread) and I will say it again. I just looked up bus tickets between cities in late September on the 2 sites below. No trips unless you meet very certain criteria. Read about my trip from BAQ to MED. You guys wishing upon a star really think the country will open international flights before or even at the same time that they open the busing between cities? Best be watching the bus sites before flight sites.

https://www.copetran.com

https://www.expresobrasilia.com/

Update: Ran into my 18 year old hottie and her friend around 7:00 pm about 5 blocks away from where we both have hotels. I was eating a 1000 peso ice cream cone. She wanted one so I handed her 2000 pesos. She simply put it in her pocket. They walked with me most of the way back to our hotels and she said she had not eaten and wanted bread since we were standing in front of a pastry shop. I told her BS. You both have 3-5 boyfriends. But handed her 10,000 pesos. Damn my 30 minute walk to get a 1000 peso cone cost me 13,000 pesos. She put the money in her pocket and they went there own way. No not into the pastry shop. But I knew that to start with.

Her friend that I wanted before. Not so much now. On our walk we past a watch store. She pointed at the watches and then at her friend. Same scenario as we past a store of tuxedos and fancy dresses. Then she pointed at the 1 meter tall stuffed animal (near the entrance of course) and then to her friend. People worldwide have money problems and she is pointing toward all this useless junk. Nothing ever changes with these girls. Always is the girl you want and her pain in the at $$ friend.

[Zeos1]

Damn dude, I don't know what kind of licensed medical professional you were, but if you were to get sick, I mean like ICU level sick, costs aside, there is no better place to be than in the US. Heck most 3rd world hospitals haven't even heard of far less have ecmo treatment for example, but like I said, to each their own, rationalization is a powerful thing, especially when youthful warm pussy is calling. 😂.

I don't think the better hospitals in Colombia are anything close to third world. They are rated very highly and I doubt there are any treatments that are "unknown" to them. Many international ratings put the Colombian health care system far ahead of the USA. Now. Before you get riled up. I believe that if you have great insurance or a lot of money there is some of the best health care in the world available in the USA. But, not available to everyone I've been told. Anyway, my main point is that the standards for doctors and medical procedures is very high in Colombia. The hospitals may not be as luxurious or sometimes as comfortable, but the skill levels and access to medical knowledge is there. But I don't want to have Covid there. Or anywhere for that matter.

[SJobs]

I forgot to mention, the Hooters GM said they're opening Monday! Patrick's was thinking a much longer timeline before their re-opening. I was told the Hooters building was a former Escobar house. Maybe the owners have some connections that a gringo would not, or maybe Hooters just has the ability to throw more money at a solution. Regardless, I can almost guarantee I'll be sipping a cold Aguila and oogling the talent, in the very near future!

Nice! This is good news. Will the hooter staff be required to wear a mask? It would be a bummer to not be able to see those high quality talents' face.

[Surfer500]

It's not too good to be true. It's aimed at restarting tourism and the focus / activities of the traveler would be for tourism. For this to work, I cannot imagine it being a 14-day quarantine. A few major US airports have been doing testing for outbound Intl departures, they might require a negative test to avoid quarantine and that would be OK. It's one airport but it's a good start and I would expect the rest of the country to follow suit within a few weeks of this. I predicted this previously, Colombia has been closed off for months and whether you want to believe it or not tourism is important as Colombia has always had plans to increase tourism every year. People kept pointing out GDP and tourism being a small drop in the bucket and it wouldn't happen. And now what? Colombialover will be devastated he got this one wrong and that people will be able to travel to Colombia, but most of us will not. If anyone is concerned, stay at home. The rest of us, well. 2020 has a chance to finish on a positive note.

No disagreement here on a 14 day quarantine being a non-starter. Best case scenario would be a negative test result and free to go. However I suspect Colombia will not be allowing this as they have been very conservative thus far, and I hope I am wrong on this. Some other Countries are testing upon arrival and making you stay in a Hotel for a few days waiting test results. This is very doable, where as other Countries are still requiring a 14 day quarantine period. If Colombia truly wants to re-start things, then hopefully they will make it easy. We will know soon enough as to what those requirements are, and hopefully they will be doable for those wanting to return.

[MarquisdeSade1]

What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point. Coronavirus is historically bad but there are many other health threats (including traumatic accidents) that can hit without warning. If there are doubts about surviving health care delivery in Colombia then it's not a place where you can live, or even play. If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths? Is it a case of misleading statistics? Anyway, I think I agree it's best to stay away if you would not feel safe.

If the US health care system is the key to staying safe from Coronavirus then how is it the US is the world leader in virus deaths?

Your ISG name is knowledge? Is that you being funny? Everyone knows the best health care by light years in the world is in the USA, what is "best"? Highly advanced treatments highly advanced.

And skilled surgeons and physicians and researchers, the absolute highly ranked in the world.

To answer your question, why so many died, well too many flights were allowed in from Asia, and many travelers flew from Asia then Europe then to the east coast.

Also many people that died were very old and ill already, also just because the USA has the absolute "best" medicine in the world doesn't mean everyone chooses to access it.

Some choose to go uninsured, or go to the shitty hospital nearest to their home rather than driving to the best medical facility in their area only 10 or 20 miles away.

[Elvis 2008]

What's the advice? I'm getting whiplash from trying to follow the discussion that now touches on Europe, New York and Arizona / Mexico. Surf touched on a salient point.

Knowledge,

It is real simple with me and Covid. If I get sick, can I get oxygen or am I having to pay tens of thousands like in Peru? If I cannot get it at an affordable price in that country, it is off limits. The rate of death with Covid and oxygen is something I will risk. Without oxygen, it is something I will not risk and I think no one, not even younger people in their 20's and 30's, should risk.

[Surfer500]

Yes really, if you've been anything close to these areas where its surged like crazy, it gets to feel exactly apocalyptic. Ask those in Lombardy, or NY or the Rio Grande valley etc and then see how they describe. Hey I don't want for this to happen there or anywhere and maybe it won't but they in Medellin haven't gone through anything like the hard hit areas. It certainly should factor into people's thinking. After that each monger makes their own call. But saying its minimal risk or totally rationalizing it away is ridiculous.

My post did not mention anything about minimal risk, the virus is a clear and present danger, but your post made it sound like Medellin would possibly be in turmoil until next Summer, maybe you were thinking similar to Lombardy, Italy or New York City.

I doubt and hope that will not be the case, as Colombia has been pretty good at throttling things thus far, and I agree with you regarding Hospitals in the USA being better, but your post made it seem as though the Hospitals in Medellin are truly third world which isn't the case. I am concerned though as to how things will fare when they open up all the restaurants and bars, and suspect Colombia will clamp down if things get out of control which unfortunately has been the case in other Countries upon re-starting things.

The whole thing is a shitty deal, especially for those of us who are retired with money to burn like me.

[Elvis 2008]

Colombia has been closed off for months and whether you want to believe it or not tourism is important as Colombia has always had plans to increase tourism every year. People kept pointing out GDP and tourism being a small drop in the bucket and it wouldn't happen. And now what?

That is a great question, Puntz, now what? Colombia did everything Fauci and the so called experts said. Here is an article showing Fauci saying all states should have done a generalized lockdown. Thing is the states in the USA who did not go into lockdown have not had their economies devastated or a huge rise in viral cases. See the link: https://www.aier.org/article/a-close...t-stayed-open/.

The lockdowns were put in place so the virus did not overwhelm the health care system. Then some politicians got great results with the lockdowns and touted them as cures and patted themselves on the back for getting rid of the virus. Thing is that the virus mutated and when the USA reversed the lockdowns, cases of Covid did not go down but soared and places like New Zealand which declared victory over the virus saw it come back. In addition, Colombia opened things up a little and also had a surge in cases, yet people to this day think that Covid is a one size fits all thing.

I like your question, and now what? The president locked down the country, banned international travel, and cases have soared such that Colombia is now #7 in the world with cases. Even the well worn line of the experts in a case of horrific policy, "Can you imagine if we had done nothing? Kind of falls on its face here because you have examples of places that did do nothing and had a better outcome than Colombia has.

The funny thing is that one American political has invested in the so called experts so much that they cannot even admit when the experts are all over the place or wrong. How this relates to Colombia is what do you do next if you are Colombia which followed all the expert advice?

The excuse given for this failure has been that the people were not compliant with the laws. So what do you do now? Shoot people who do not wear a mask? You have locked people up for five months to "stay safe" and they have suffered financially, and the virus is raging anyway.

Did banning international travel work to slow the virus in Colombia? Of course not, yet the president is keeping it in place not because it worked but because he does not want to admit he made a mistake. What other reason is there?

Someone said that in all the models, models that have failed spectacularly in Colombia, movement was associated with spread of the disease as if movement can be curtailed. How are busted water pipes fixed without movement? Health care workers getting to work? I guess the idea is government regulation of movement was supposed to be the answer, essential and nonessential movement, but those models were doomed. How can government even begin to regulate all movement? And even if they could, how could it be right about which movements transmit the virus and which ones do not? Come on. That was unrealistic and an impossible task.

And now what? Here is what I predict. The president closes back down again, prays the number of cases goes down, and that the economy can rebound from this horrible devastation from these failed policies. And the next time when Colombia opens up, he prays the number of cases does not surge, but there is no science behind the answer. You are betting that the policies that failed in the past now work. He is completely winging it, and the people of Colombia and those of us who want to go there are losing faith.

If Colombia starts charging a $1000 per bottle of oxygen, the death rate in Colombia will soon be approaching that of Peru, and I am not going. If people do not have faith in a country's health care system, they will not travel there, and that tourism will be gone for years. Sadly, that is what I see happening in Colombia, a mirror of Peru, and there is no way in hell I would go to Peru now.

The president has not learned from his mistakes and the economic destruction continues going forward as does the viral destruction. Either one of two things happens: the virus burns itself out or people realize that they have to live with the virus and carry on with it as a risk as best they can, but I think either scenario will not come to fruition in months or even years.