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NY, NJ and San Marino pretty much reached herd immunity. There's a reason why the countries / states / cities with the highest numbers of deaths are also seeing sharp decreases in new deaths. It's called herd immunity, or do you think that's a coincidence? Why are you mentioning 70%? The threshold for herd immunity is unknown, it could be as low as 40%.

On what TV channel did you read that those areas reached herd immunity? Is it a wishful thinking or what? How could you even present it as a fact, when it is a claim?

Epidemiology is a tough subject. I spent some time listening to colleagues who study epidemiology from the mathematical modelling standpoint, and I was astonished when I saw the number of parameters of the model ranging from 10 to 20, depending on the complexity and level of detail. ISG is not really the right venue where to discuss about such complex matters. It's a branch of math belonging to control theory, which is fascinating indeed.

70% is the most cited number for a so-called "herd immunity", assuming that such X% of persons is immune. Please note that X depends on how contagious is a disease: the more contagious it is, the higher is X. Last year, I read that for measles, which is way more contagious than COVID, the percentage of kids in schools that should be vaccinated, to protect those who cannot take a vaccine because of problems at their immune system, is above 90%.

Nobody knows for sure what is the threshold for "herd immunity" for COVID. You claim 40%? Or 70%? Whatever. One can speculate, but there are not enough empirical data. It is not even sure it may exist!

First of all, nobody knows what is the level of protection gained by those who recovered successfully out of COVID. Several people fell back, and nobody is sure if it was a new infection, or the same as before. Second, nobody knows how long such immunity lasts. Third, nobody knows for sure what is the real number of people in a region (even NY) who caught the virus and developed antibodies or some other type of "immunity". There are esteems, and all can be questioned.

Last but not least, it is true that the natural development of an epidemic shows a peak, but the reason why the count (be it of deaths, of sick, of positive, .) at some points starts to decrease is not necessarily that herd immunity has been reached. Otherwise, there should never be a "second wave" (Spanish Flu had 4 or 5? Such "second waves" do happen right because the first wave ended, but herd immunity is still far from being reached.

Herd immunity would be the only reason of going down after the peak only in a community with free circulation and no countermeasures, a huge pot where people freely mixes and randomly passes the virus. Fortunately, in most countries some people takes serious measures against infection, or mobility is limited.

Is herd immunity a target to aim at, at least for COVID? I would not say so, unless one would accept to see millions of deaths in a country with 300 millions of people potentially subject to be infected, not to mention the permanent effects left by the disease in some patients.

[JjBee62]

I will not argue the 3. 8 % you state is not correct. That percent means nothing to the average Puta in MDE. It is more like 95% who are being devastated by no foreign mongers being present.

A lot of the lower class girls mostly Vennies are sleeping on the street. Of course most of the customers these girls get are local hombres, but still the lack of the guys who most likely pay a little more than a local guy is really hurting these poor devils. There is nobody in Colombia handing out $1200 checks to people out of work.

The Colombia economy in general does not reflect the plight of the Vennies as for the most part they have no family to fall back on as the local girls do.

I for one was happy for all the hot girls from Venezuela when I was there in March, and now I can only wish them well.

I well understand the plight of the Vennies and the Colombianas too. But none of that is going to be fixed, or considered when it comes to opening up to international travel.

Colombia right now is in the "Oh Shit" zone with corona. I believe their current infection rate is the highest, per capita in the world. With everyone reporting that places like Botero Plaza are packed every day, it's easy to see why. Until they enforce a strict lockdown those numbers aren't going down. Until those numbers start going down, it's highly unlikely international flights will resume. Once they enforce a strict lockdown, and that will probably require the army and turn into a major shitshow, start your countdown.

[John Gault]

That's the percentage of Colombia's GDP that tourism accounts for. 3.8%.

Opening up the borders, considering tourism will not immediately return to previous levels, is not going to do anything for the Colombian economy, even if they throw the doors wide open, no quarantine, no testing and no restrictions based on country of origin.

At best, restoring international travel would represent a tiny blip on the economic radar.

As much as you all want to try and rationalize why Colombia should make it easy for you to come back, it has no effect on when the borders will open.

I will not argue the 3. 8 % you state is not correct. That percent means nothing to the average Puta in MDE. It is more like 95% who are being devastated by no foreign mongers being present.

A lot of the lower class girls mostly Vennies are sleeping on the street. Of course most of the customers these girls get are local hombres, but still the lack of the guys who most likely pay a little more than a local guy is really hurting these poor devils. There is nobody in Colombia handing out $1200 checks to people out of work.

The Colombia economy in general does not reflect the plight of the Vennies as for the most part they have no family to fall back on as the local girls do.

I for one was happy for all the hot girls from Venezuela when I was there in March, and now I can only wish them well.

[MMHikeus]

Has Anyone rented at san Peter's in laureles. Any problems bringing in chicas. Members please chime in if you have knowledge. I am into 3 somes and want to explore some 4 somes.

Colombians male or female need cedula. A scanned copy is retained, and the cedula number is verified against the national police database.

Non Colombians need a passport. No exceptions. Generally rules out most venues.

No limit on the number of visitors per day or at a time. Like 2-4 guests at a time, or 2-4 per day. Not sure you can do 20 though.

I have personally done threesomes and foursomes, no problem.

I have stayed in the building many times. PM me if you have additional questions.

[MMHikeus]

In response to Blakman;2474254 _Decor and space.

The San Peter is a condo building, so interior design (furniture, wall finishes, decoration), cooking / dining equipment, and other features (type of entry lock, safe / no safe, Wi-Fi, cable TV, hot water heater setup) varies from owner to owner (unit to unit) Most units are managed on behalf of the individual owner through the on-site manager for the building as a whole, but some are listed / managed independently through AirBnB. Photos usually available.

In terms of space, as I recall there are three (or perhaps four) units per floor, each with its own configuration and varying in size (studio, small one bedroom, and larger one bedroom options). As another member reported, the noise problem depends on the orientation of the unit.

I can confirm that the management is Girl Friendly but quite strict about IDs. One of my favorites (a Venezuelan hottie) had a Colombian photo Cedula de Identidad issued by Immigration (Permiso Especial de Permanencia or PEP), but the management said there were too many fakes in circulation and insisted on her having another form of cedula as well. We ended up having to have our trysts in a nearby hotel.

Stayed there many times. The units are all differently furnished and appointed. Generally, the higher floor units have better furniture and amenities, including soundproof windows etc.

They are chica friendly and keep a copy of the cedula. For Colombians they require a cedula and check it against the national police database. For non Colombians, they only accept passports. So venies are a no go, unless they have a passport. They even check ID for male visitors. No limit on the number of visitors etc. They ask for payment in USD or you can convert and pay in COP at current exchange rate. They always quote price in USD. It's a residential building, and regular families live there, so keeping a low profile in the public areas is prudent.

All this info is accurate as of March pre covid.

[ColombiaLover]

I imagine it depends on which barrio. In Medellin, I used to go to Aranjuez and Manrique for night life. I would not do that now. I used to go see chicas I know in San Javier and in Popular. I would not do that now. I would walk on the street less. And not at night. In Bogota, I would never go to centro or the South, even before the virus. I would stay far north. My ex-wife's family say it would be OK with coming to their barrio. They are more concerned with COVID than with crime.

Caveat for me. I first went to Medellin and Bogota more than 15 years ago when there were still FARC bombings and gringos were a lot less common. So I guess I take it with a grain of salt to some extent. But it is definitely different now than, say, 5 years ago.

I have two good Colombian friends in my city in the US. They are telling me they will not visit any time soon (they usually go back for the Holidays). They say that their families in Bogota and Medellin are telling them that people are desperate and the streets are more dangerous than they've been in recent memory. Of course they think I would be out of my mind to go.

Caveat - every middle / upper class Colombian is hyper-concerned about danger in their cities, so I take what they say with a grain of salt. But Colombia's lockdown has been severe and the economy is in miserable condition.

[Elvis 2008]

They say that their families in Bogota and Medellin are telling them that people are desperate and the streets are more dangerous than they've been in recent memory. Of course they think I would be out of my mind to go.

Caveat - every middle / upper class Colombian is hyper-concerned about danger in their cities, so I take what they say with a grain of salt. But Colombia's lockdown has been severe and the economy is in miserable condition.

Combo, I would be interested to know if your relatives are getting that from first or second hand sources or from the media and their usual fear porn. My chicas have pretty much been quarantined indoors, so my guess is your relatives were getting that information from the media.

[SeanWilkds]

I haven't been to Club Amigas for a couple of weeks, last time I think there where about 3-4 girls there and they were also in the middle of doing some renovations so gave it a pass. Good to hear there is some new talent and you had a good session. If you feel like sharing details of the girl who doesn't mind CIM, that would be good info to know for sure. For me in the casas that's kind of rare. I haven't been to Zaza's in months, not sure if its still open, from memory that is the one that usually has older heavier women, if its the one I think it is where you go through like a beaded curtain on the way in, never actually sessioned there just visited once or twice. Just so few casas open in centro at the moment and several of them look like they are shut for good, with for rent signs in the windows. As you mentioned lots more action around Botero depending on the day, but also a bit hit and miss depending on your preferences.

Medellin Report:

Went by Zaza but the door was shut. I didn't knock or ring the bell because I was planning to circle back. Went through Botero and it was packed. A lot of nice talent and phat booties out there. I will definitely be back soon to grab something from out there.

Walked around and was passing by Club Amigas Sexy and I saw the manager outside the front door so I asked her if they were working and she said yes and if the door is closed just ring the bell. Went up and saw the lineup. Saw a lot of familiar faces and grabbed one I hadn't seen before.

The chica was very cool and told me she was new. Asked about a BBBJ and she said no problem as long as I give her a propina. She was giving very good head and I asked her if she wanted me to cum in her mouth. She said that was up to me and kind of giggled. I told her to suck some more, then asked her to put the rubber on and told her I wanted to finish in her mouth.

We stroked in several positions and she was surprisingly tight. After getting in a good workout, I told her to start sucking me again. She took the rubber off and was focusing on the head and I told her to suck the whole thing. When she stated sucking more aggressively, I was ready to cum and told her to keep sucking. I finished in her mouth. She didn't swallow but got up and spit it all into the sink.

I gave her a 20 mil propina. We got dressed and she gave me her number and said she would come see me if I hit her on WhatsApp. Today was a good day.

[Surfer500]

Medellin Report:

The chica was very cool and told me she was new. Asked about a BBBJ and she said no problem as long as I give her a propina. She was giving very good head and I asked her if she wanted me to cum in her mouth. She said that was up to me and kind of giggled. I told her to suck some more, then asked her to put the rubber on and told her I wanted to finish in her mouth.

We stroked in several positions and she was surprisingly tight. After getting in a good workout, I told her to start sucking me again. She took the rubber off and was focusing on the head and I told her to suck the whole thing. When she stated sucking more aggressively, I was ready to cum and told her to keep sucking. I finished in her mouth. She didn't swallow but got up and spit it all into the sink.

I gave her a 20 mil propina.

Very disrespectful of her not to swallow, and the one's that do are hard to come by.

If she had swallowed, would you have given her a larger tip?

[Orgasmico]

Medellin Report:

Went by Zaza but the door was shut. I didn't knock or ring the bell because I was planning to circle back. Went through Botero and it was packed. A lot of nice talent and phat booties out there. I will definitely be back soon to grab something from out there.

Walked around and was passing by Club Amigas Sexy and I saw the manager outside the front door so I asked her if they were working and she said yes and if the door is closed just ring the bell. Went up and saw the lineup. Saw a lot of familiar faces and grabbed one I hadn't seen before.

The chica was very cool and told me she was new. Asked about a BBBJ and she said no problem as long as I give her a propina. She was giving very good head and I asked her if she wanted me to cum in her mouth. She said that was up to me and kind of giggled. I told her to suck some more, then asked her to put the rubber on and told her I wanted to finish in her mouth.

We stroked in several positions and she was surprisingly tight. After getting in a good workout, I told her to start sucking me again. She took the rubber off and was focusing on the head and I told her to suck the whole thing. When she stated sucking more aggressively, I was ready to cum and told her to keep sucking. I finished in her mouth. She didn't swallow but got up and spit it all into the sink.

I gave her a 20 mil propina. We got dressed and she gave me her number and said she would come see me if I hit her on WhatsApp. Today was a good day.

[Combo]

Very interesting information. With Colombia, it is very much of an economic issue, which automatically makes it a political issue also. I really do not see a reason why they cannot open international travel with required COVID-19 negative results within 48 hours of travel. To me, there's much more risk in GETTING COVID-19 in Colombia as opposed to someone bringing it in after testing negative.

My question is "Who is really going to travel to Colombia right now, even if they resume international travel?" Those who have relatives in Colombia. Some who have important business. Mongers who are have a lot of experience. I certainly can't see the average tourist returning any time soon. And a "new" monger is not really set up with success under current conditions either.

They should just open the border. Will they? Yes. But when? Everyone is really still guessing.

I have two good Colombian friends in my city in the US. They are telling me they will not visit any time soon (they usually go back for the Holidays). They say that their families in Bogota and Medellin are telling them that people are desperate and the streets are more dangerous than they've been in recent memory. Of course they think I would be out of my mind to go.

Caveat - every middle / upper class Colombian is hyper-concerned about danger in their cities, so I take what they say with a grain of salt. But Colombia's lockdown has been severe and the economy is in miserable condition.

[JjBee62]

That's the percentage of Colombia's GDP that tourism accounts for. 3.8%.

Opening up the borders, considering tourism will not immediately return to previous levels, is not going to do anything for the Colombian economy, even if they throw the doors wide open, no quarantine, no testing and no restrictions based on country of origin.

At best, restoring international travel would represent a tiny blip on the economic radar.

As much as you all want to try and rationalize why Colombia should make it easy for you to come back, it has no effect on when the borders will open.

[JjBee62]

Its guys like you that makes 90% of mongers have to deal with annoying request from internet girls to buy videos. Shame on you for bragging about paying for something you can see for free. I place you in the desperate monger category. Free porn is everywhere. Elevate the game of mongering. Don't detract from it..

Why gee golly willikers Beav, I never knew that. Thanks so much for pointing it out to me.

The reason why guys like you have to deal with annoying requests from internet girls to buy videos is that you haven't figured out how to handle annoying requests. Allow me to teach you.

Girl: Please buy my videos.

Guy: I'm not interested in buying videos, but if you're interested in meeting for sex, I will talk to you when I'm in Medellin.

Girl: okay, but will you buy my videos?

Guy: No. I don't buy videos. If you ask me again I will block you.

Or you can just shorten it and block them as soon as they ask.

Girl: Buy my videos.

WhatsApp or Messenger: You blocked this person.

See how easy that is?

Now let's cover the rest. 90% of mongers, judging by the guys who don't use Facebook, aren't getting those requests. Am I also to blame for all the guys who get requests from girls to send them money? Looking at the forum, it would appear that girls were hitting guys up for money on the internet 10 years before I ever set foot in Colombia.

I'm not the reason why Chicas are trying to sell videos, asking for handouts, going on webcams or trying to sell everything from booze to sex toys. When people get hungry, they try to find a way to get food. It's one of those basic needs and I didn't create it.

About the specific girls I paid for the videos, not only are they not asking you or anyone else to buy their videos, they aren't now and never will be available to you in any way. Buying videos from them has absolutely no negative effect on mongering in Colombia.

If anything, there's a tiny possibility that, by showing them how to capitalize on sex, one of them might decide that P4P is something to consider. However, I'm absolutely certain none of them would ever come down to your price point.

[Blakman]

As you just mention. The country will not be dealing with a large influx of passengers.

The Caribbean islands have employed the same tactics successfully.

So why can't Colombia. I am bias cause I bought a ticket LOL

Very interesting information. With Colombia, it is very much of an economic issue, which automatically makes it a political issue also. I really do not see a reason why they cannot open international travel with required COVID-19 negative results within 48 hours of travel. To me, there's much more risk in GETTING COVID-19 in Colombia as opposed to someone bringing it in after testing negative.

My question is "Who is really going to travel to Colombia right now, even if they resume international travel?" Those who have relatives in Colombia. Some who have important business. Mongers who are have a lot of experience. I certainly can't see the average tourist returning any time soon. And a "new" monger is not really set up with success under current conditions either.

They should just open the border. Will they? Yes. But when? Everyone is really still guessing.

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[ColombiaLover]

Very interesting information. With Colombia, it is very much of an economic issue, which automatically makes it a political issue also. I really do not see a reason why they cannot open international travel with required COVID-19 negative results within 48 hours of travel. To me, there's much more risk in GETTING COVID-19 in Colombia as opposed to someone bringing it in after testing negative.

My question is "Who is really going to travel to Colombia right now, even if they resume international travel?" Those who have relatives in Colombia. Some who have important business. Mongers who are have a lot of experience. I certainly can't see the average tourist returning any time soon. And a "new" monger is not really set up with success under current conditions either.

They should just open the border. Will they? Yes. But when? Everyone is really still guessing.

That is a really good post Puntz. The thing about Colombia is that IMO is that it listened to the experts too well and did not do its own analysis. The end result was the virus raged and the economy has been devastated. It is getting worse now not just with the virus but the Colombian peso looks to be in free fall again, and that puts even more strain on their economy.

Instead of just blindly following the world community, Swedish scientists infamously developed their own policies and it seemed like everyone in the globalist medical world order verbally savaged them as irresponsible and reckless.

These so called experts pointed to their neighboring countries and showed lower death rates and claimed Sweden killed thousands of its own people. If you compare Sweden to Norway, it did horribly. If you compare it to the UK, then it did great. The real issue in Sweden with death though was not that they should have done a general lockdown but a targeted lockdown with nursing home residents.

But one of the smarter things Sweden did was keep the schools open exposing the people at lowest risk for issues with the virus, and the antibodies to Corona among these groups are impressive as well: Most of those who have had themselves tested are between 20 and 69 years old, but it is in the age category 1019 years that the largest proportion of those sampled, 29.3 per cent, carry antibodies. The age group 2029 also stands out somewhat, 16.6 percent in that group have tested positive.

While Sweden's no-lockdown approach was shunned by its Nordic neighbors, health officials in Denmark and Norway came around to Sweden's stance on schools.

Both made reopening them one of their first steps out of lockdown. Neither has seen a resurgence since.

Did generalized lockdowns work in Colombia? Nope. Did banning international travel work? No. Did closing down the schools work? Of course not.

In fact, if you look at the effects, they were all harmful to the economy and closing down schools may have inhibited the March to herd immunity though I am not sure that is all important as it is made out to be.

Some have said that Colombia should open up when the number of cases is going down. The problem is the USA tried that approach based on European and Asian experiences, and the number of cases did not go down like in Europe or Asia but exploded.

The notion that Colombia and Peru were non compliant with the generalized quarantines was laughable. One of my chicas showed me her drive home in Bogota, and I saw the same thing in Lima, the usually crazy crowded roads were empty.

In contrast, here is a video taking on the day when Sweden had its most cases of Covid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5bRh0L03K8.

So you are right Puntz, the politicians in Colombia are not going to go back and say, "We were wrong to listen to the world experts", but they will implement different policies if forced to do so by the economics.

With the women I have been talking to in Colombia, they have been compliant but frustrated with the president's orders because he has been all over the place.

If you go to the one minute mark in this video, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cuxi4c0dUOk and listen to Dave Portnoy, that is the experience of many of my chicas. They are willing to do their part but are frustrated by the stop and go leadership not of Fauci but of the president. Of course, the problem is the Colombian president is listening to the health "experts" like Fauci who are all over the map.