Medellin Reports

[SJobs]

If opening up the borders to International travel represents a "tiny blip" on the economic radar, than why open at all. Granted that tourism accounts for a small portion of their GDP, what about other aspects of the economy that have been impacted by being closed. I would venture to guess the effect is much greater than 3. 8% represented for tourism and will drive the re-opening versus all of us mongers wanting to return as you have mentioned.

My argument is that the impact of a controlled reopening of international flights to the virus spread is nearly zero, but it has lots of benefits.

Let do a simple hypothetical; if the entry requirement is the following: passengers must fly in from a country with COVID totally under control and must show a negative test result within 24-hours of boarding the plane. They must go through a mandatory quarantine for 14 days upon arrival and purchase health insurance in Medellin. Moreover, they must pay for all costs associated with compulsory quarantine. Then I can confidently say the impact on the virus spread from this group of travelers is zero. It allows them to set up and test-out safety protocols for the next phase of reopening; furthermore, if the travelers are willing to pay for the personal cost for the self-quarantine, it also creates jobs for the local people.

People who are willing to comply with this kind of scrutiny to travel to Medellin must either hopelessly in love with the 18-year-old paisas or trying to build important businesses in Medellin that are beneficial to the local economy (I'm doing both, but 18-year-old pussy is my real motivation). They are not the group who are infected with COVID and trying to spread to the local population.

Suppose President Duque announces tomorrow that business visa holder in Australia is the only group that will be allowed to fly to Medellin on September 1st. I will call my lawyer immediately and ask him to send all my documents to Sydney's Colombia Embassy. I will then fly from the USA To the you. K. , one of the few countries you can still legally fly to from the USA, then self-quarantine there for 14-days, as per requirement. Then from the you. K. , I will fly to Sydney. I will wait until they approve my visa, then from Sydney, I will fly to Medellin (a. K. a heaven), I'm willing to go through whatever quarantine requirement the Colombian government put in place.

I'm in my late 30's, completely healthy; I fucking run multiple marathons each year. I can produce a negative COVID test result within 24-hours before I board the plane; I can show that I have money in my account to pay whatever medical bills that might occur in Colombia, and I'm going there to educate a bunch of PhDs. I really can't think of any reason why the Colombian government won't let me in on September 1st.

[Elvis 2008]

Several people seem to think opening up Colombia for international travel will solve all of Colombia's economic problems. I'm trying to understand that. What are all those tourists supposed to do? Where are they going to spend their money? Let's put the mongering dollars aside, because it's unlikely the government is about to sanction and encourage sex tourism.

Oh, sure let's do that. Colombia's #1 export is oil, and ConocoPhillips operates there. Do you know how oil and gas works?

Well, here is how it goes. The American oil company, COP, just hands money over to Colombians and says "We want oil" and the Colombians just produce it. It is not like anyone from America needs to go there and do any work or monitor anything.

I know a Colombian woman or two that you could hand money to right now, JJBee, and they will be producing you oil in no time.

[MMHikeus]

Is that building currently open?

Should be. It's a regular apartment building with some airbnbs.

[GeneHickman]

Pinky asked when we could see each other, yesterday afternoon. She came over around 630p. I grilled some steaks, we had a bottle of wine. She wanted some tussi. Our contact wasn't responding, so she showed me some other contact on WhatsApp that sends out a list of maybe 50 things you can order. It was a bit expensive, compared to others. I received a message from a repeat the other day, asking when we'll see each other. I was with her once, a couple months ago. She's from La Diabla's list. I know she likes to party, so I asked her if she wanted to come over and bring some tussi. She gets it for 45k, which is about 60% of most options. I was a little nervous, as was Pinky, because of the price. It turned out to be fine, but with a bit of a burning sensation and a shitty peach scent / flavor.

I had told her not to come, because she said she would have it delivered, then she would bring it. I figured she would arrive at 12 and I didn't want to start so late. She arrived at 11 p. Standard procedure. She was fun and the girls hit it off. In total, I paid her 350k for 3 grams + her. Pinky also bought a gram, herself. She just left about an hour ago. Pinky also took 20k for a taxi, and her Uber was 15k, yesterday. Good times. Pinky without condom, other girl with.

Slapshot, thanks for the reports. An invaluable contribution and an escape for many of us mongers during this constricting time. I for one like your long stories, and the pictures, don't let the odd comment crimp your style. You are living the dream from many of our perspective.

Man, those bikinis are worth their cost and them some. They show well on the sexy puta bodies and its apparent even just on the pics. Do let us know how it turned out with pinky and her preggie story.

Stay healthy and keep the reports coming.

[MarquisdeSade1]

If opening up the borders to International travel represents a "tiny blip" on the economic radar, than why open at all. Granted that tourism accounts for a small portion of their GDP, what about other aspects of the economy that have been impacted by being closed. I would venture to guess the effect is much greater than 3. 8% represented for tourism and will drive the re-opening versus all of us mongers wanting to return as you have mentioned.

Their economy is bleeding, so let an easy 3.8% bump in, it could even feel like 38% LOL.

If the virus is rampant, where's the down side for them.

I seriously doubt older mongers are going to make virus matters worse.

[JjBee62]

Several people seem to think opening up Colombia for international travel will solve all of Colombia's economic problems. I'm trying to understand that.

Then this thought popped up: What are all those tourists supposed to do? Where are they going to spend their money? Let's put the mongering dollars aside, because it's unlikely the government is about to sanction and encourage sex tourism. What about the actual tourists? Aren't most attractions still closed? Aren't the bars closed? Malls? Tours? Theaters? Restaurants?

I'm just wondering how that almighty tourism is going to boost the economy if the tourists have no place to spend their money?

[Elvis 2008]

If opening up the borders to International travel represents a "tiny blip" on the economic radar, than why open at all. Granted that tourism accounts for a small portion of their GDP, what about other aspects of the economy that have been impacted by being closed. I would venture to guess the effect is much greater than 3. 8% represented for tourism and will drive the re-opening versus all of us mongers wanting to return as you have mentioned.

Surfer, it is not a tiny blip. It is JJBee showing he understands nothing with business or economics. JJBee's approach is that the economy will bounce back. It did in 2009, and it will today. What he is oblivious to is that the USA Debt had to be doubled for the recovery to occur. So yeah, it is no problem seeing your lifestyle go down when you just pull out the credit card and rack up the charges. The issue with Colombia is a does not have a printing press and a credit rating like the USA does.

The idea that you stopping travel results in just loss of tourism dollars is ridiculous. Tickets and accommodations are probably half or less than half of what I spend when going to Colombia, but the other part of travel with Colombia is with business people investing in Colombia which is truly what it sorely needs. Maybe people invest without seeing things first but that certainly is not the case all the time.

The thing is that political leaders have asked for sacrifice under the guise that said sacrifice will pay off in lives saved. Well, has it? I don't see that banning international travel has accomplished anything for Colombia outside of airlines going broke and everyone in the industry losing their jobs.

The point is that politicians hate to admit they are wrong and IMO are slow to admit it. Banning international travel was not done based on evidence. Once you have a virus spreading domestically, what good does banning international travel do? It was just one of those things that was believed to work and other countries copied it but when the evidence shows traveling is safe, it is like you have to definitively prove that travel is safe even though it was never proven unsafe before.

For better or worse, America sets the agenda world wide, and our Covid "czar" is Anthony Fauci. Now, JJBee went off on this because it is Fox News and anytime Fauci screws up, apologists like JJBee say it is taken out of context. But forget the political angle and just look at this clip with your own eyes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdOSFbmyF_w.

Now I have a family relative in politics, and she wanted to take a trip to celebrate her anniversary and decided against it. I told her it was safe based on the data, but she said that she wanted to set a good community example and did not go.

So here is Fauci: maskless, in a public gathering, not social distancing, yucking it up. He is laughing with his friends and then says he was drinking water because he was "totally dehydrated". That is fucking bullshit, totally dehydrated people do not smile like that. He then shows real guilt when he scorns anyone criticizing him.

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[Knowledge]

For what it's worth, Italy announced today it is banning travelers originating from Colombia.

With regards to the EU, I said that they opened up their borders. Not to everyone but certain countries yes. The US closed borders with the EU first, and the EU followed after. For the EU to open borders, the US must drop the restrictions first. People easily assume it's because of the high number of cases in the US, but be serious. If the US announced tomorrow that borders are reopening, the EU will drop their restrictions. And the EU has requested the US do this, the largest airlines in the EU especially. Tourism in Colombia is growing, I saw someone mention 3. 8% GDP but record number of visitors last year, and more were expected this year. Lots of jobs depend on tourism from the US to surrounding countries in Latin America. To imply that it makes no difference to the economy if borders opened up is simply not true.

With herd immunity, this is being achieved at approximately 20%. Most recent studies indicate that the burnout rate is between 15-20% before cases start dropping. This was the case in NY especially, and also in Sweden. In the coming days / weeks you'll see cases dropping in FL, TX, AZ, GA etc. And it will be due to this. The rest of the country will see the reductions in early September from my calculations, before it is basically a national burnout.

[SpiderRider]

A lot of the lower class girls mostly Vennies are sleeping on the street. Of course most of the customers these girls get are local hombres, but still the lack of the guys who most likely pay a little more than a local guy is really hurting these poor devils. There is nobody in Colombia handing out $1200 checks to people out of work.

The Colombia economy in general does not reflect the plight of the Vennies as for the most part they have no family to fall back on as the local girls do.

I for one was happy for all the hot girls from Venezuela when I was there in March, and now I can only wish them well.

There's a tall, thin girl from Caracas, absolutely built like a model. About 5'10", very sweet, does not seem to be a smoker, toker, or drinker. No kids, says she lives with her brother. I can see her FB messages. No monkey business as far as I can tell. Friend of a friend introduced me. Stays the night for 150 mil, use of my phone for texting back to family, and a plate of the "arroz China". She'll use my clothes washer sometimes. I've had her over 3 x. Still getting comfortable together. Draw back: No phone or computer for communication. So I just wait to hear from her on FB or random W-App numbers.

My housekeeper was here yesterday, after another long silent period. She has similar communications challenges. She's moved and now must take 2 buses to arrive here. Never mentions taxi or Uber.. she just finds a way to get here, god bless her she is magnificent. Cleaned the apartment excellently as usual, without need for instruction or re-direction, for about 2.5 hours.. then rocked the Earth "en cama" for about 2 more hours.

[SonicBoom1]

Pinky asked when we could see each other, yesterday afternoon.

Didn't Pinky give you a pregnancy scare. Or was it Wifey? What's the update there?

[SlapShot10]

Pinky asked when we could see each other, yesterday afternoon. She came over around 630p. I grilled some steaks, we had a bottle of wine. She wanted some tussi. Our contact wasn't responding, so she showed me some other contact on WhatsApp that sends out a list of maybe 50 things you can order. It was a bit expensive, compared to others. I received a message from a repeat the other day, asking when we'll see each other. I was with her once, a couple months ago. She's from La Diabla's list. I know she likes to party, so I asked her if she wanted to come over and bring some tussi. She gets it for 45k, which is about 60% of most options. I was a little nervous, as was Pinky, because of the price. It turned out to be fine, but with a bit of a burning sensation and a shitty peach scent / flavor.

I had told her not to come, because she said she would have it delivered, then she would bring it. I figured she would arrive at 12 and I didn't want to start so late. She arrived at 11 p. Standard procedure. She was fun and the girls hit it off. In total, I paid her 350k for 3 grams + her. Pinky also bought a gram, herself. She just left about an hour ago. Pinky also took 20k for a taxi, and her Uber was 15k, yesterday. Good times. Pinky without condom, other girl with.

[Surfer500]

That's the percentage of Colombia's GDP that tourism accounts for. 3.8%.

Opening up the borders, considering tourism will not immediately return to previous levels, is not going to do anything for the Colombian economy, even if they throw the doors wide open, no quarantine, no testing and no restrictions based on country of origin.

At best, restoring international travel would represent a tiny blip on the economic radar.

As much as you all want to try and rationalize why Colombia should make it easy for you to come back, it has no effect on when the borders will open.

If opening up the borders to International travel represents a "tiny blip" on the economic radar, than why open at all. Granted that tourism accounts for a small portion of their GDP, what about other aspects of the economy that have been impacted by being closed. I would venture to guess the effect is much greater than 3. 8% represented for tourism and will drive the re-opening versus all of us mongers wanting to return as you have mentioned.

[Puntz79]

I will not question your claims, which reflect your opinion, but I just wish to point out that EU borders are not open at all. There is almost free circulation withing the Schengen area (and UK, Ireland), but people from outside Schengen (including USA) CANNOT enter Europe unless for very specific reasons that must be certified (work, return to home, urgent matters, etc.), certainly not for tourism.

Right in these days, more restrictions have been and are going to be introduced also within Schengen.

From some few extra-Schengen countries, people CAN enter Europe, but are mandated to 14-days quarantine.

From some other countries (including Brazil), entrance to Europe is forbidden, period.

Where did you read that in various parts of USA 70% of people has enough antibodies to be immune, or just 70% was infected? Please, not even The Donald (not Duck) even dared to tweet anything like this!

With regards to the EU, I said that they opened up their borders. Not to everyone but certain countries yes. The US closed borders with the EU first, and the EU followed after. For the EU to open borders, the US must drop the restrictions first. People easily assume it's because of the high number of cases in the US, but be serious. If the US announced tomorrow that borders are reopening, the EU will drop their restrictions. And the EU has requested the US do this, the largest airlines in the EU especially. Tourism in Colombia is growing, I saw someone mention 3. 8% GDP but record number of visitors last year, and more were expected this year. Lots of jobs depend on tourism from the US to surrounding countries in Latin America. To imply that it makes no difference to the economy if borders opened up is simply not true.

With herd immunity, this is being achieved at approximately 20%. Most recent studies indicate that the burnout rate is between 15-20% before cases start dropping. This was the case in NY especially, and also in Sweden. In the coming days / weeks you'll see cases dropping in FL, TX, AZ, GA etc. And it will be due to this. The rest of the country will see the reductions in early September from my calculations, before it is basically a national burnout.

[Iguana Six]

Colombians male or female need cedula. A scanned copy is retained, and the cedula number is verified against the national police database.

Non Colombians need a passport. No exceptions. Generally rules out most venues.

No limit on the number of visitors per day or at a time. Like 2-4 guests at a time, or 2-4 per day. Not sure you can do 20 though.

I have personally done threesomes and foursomes, no problem.

I have stayed in the building many times. PM me if you have additional questions.

Is that building currently open?

[Black Page]

NY, NJ and San Marino pretty much reached herd immunity. There's a reason why the countries / states / cities with the highest numbers of deaths are also seeing sharp decreases in new deaths. It's called herd immunity, or do you think that's a coincidence? Why are you mentioning 70%? The threshold for herd immunity is unknown, it could be as low as 40%.

On what TV channel did you read that those areas reached herd immunity? Is it a wishful thinking or what? How could you even present it as a fact, when it is a claim?

Epidemiology is a tough subject. I spent some time listening to colleagues who study epidemiology from the mathematical modelling standpoint, and I was astonished when I saw the number of parameters of the model ranging from 10 to 20, depending on the complexity and level of detail. ISG is not really the right venue where to discuss about such complex matters. It's a branch of math belonging to control theory, which is fascinating indeed.

70% is the most cited number for a so-called "herd immunity", assuming that such X% of persons is immune. Please note that X depends on how contagious is a disease: the more contagious it is, the higher is X. Last year, I read that for measles, which is way more contagious than COVID, the percentage of kids in schools that should be vaccinated, to protect those who cannot take a vaccine because of problems at their immune system, is above 90%.

Nobody knows for sure what is the threshold for "herd immunity" for COVID. You claim 40%? Or 70%? Whatever. One can speculate, but there are not enough empirical data. It is not even sure it may exist!

First of all, nobody knows what is the level of protection gained by those who recovered successfully out of COVID. Several people fell back, and nobody is sure if it was a new infection, or the same as before. Second, nobody knows how long such immunity lasts. Third, nobody knows for sure what is the real number of people in a region (even NY) who caught the virus and developed antibodies or some other type of "immunity". There are esteems, and all can be questioned.

Last but not least, it is true that the natural development of an epidemic shows a peak, but the reason why the count (be it of deaths, of sick, of positive, .) at some points starts to decrease is not necessarily that herd immunity has been reached. Otherwise, there should never be a "second wave" (Spanish Flu had 4 or 5? Such "second waves" do happen right because the first wave ended, but herd immunity is still far from being reached.

Herd immunity would be the only reason of going down after the peak only in a community with free circulation and no countermeasures, a huge pot where people freely mixes and randomly passes the virus. Fortunately, in most countries some people takes serious measures against infection, or mobility is limited.

Is herd immunity a target to aim at, at least for COVID? I would not say so, unless one would accept to see millions of deaths in a country with 300 millions of people potentially subject to be infected, not to mention the permanent effects left by the disease in some patients.