Medellin Reports

[AdventureSeekr]

I don't bow and scrape and kiss the girls asses. I just treat them like human beings. Turns out, many of them appreciate that.

That's been my experience as well. We eat, hang out, have sex, repeat, a little conversation. I find after 2-3 times together, they open up, relax, we both feel safer and the experience / sex becomes infinitely better. They do appreciate it and it shows. There's a spectrum from being an asshole all the way to groveling. Both are unattractive and they will want to leave as soon as possible. Treat them like a friend you have sex with, and they're happy to hang around for more time and more rounds.

[PunkedLife]

I don't know why guys pick girls who are fatter than the ones I like. I don't know why guys pick girls thinner than what I like. I don't know why guys insist on anal with the girls. I don't know why guys do TLN or 20 minute quickies. I don't know why everyone doesn't do everything exactly the same way as I.

I also don't care. It's their dick, their money and their business. If a guy wants to fly a girl away to San Andres for the weekend, that's his problem. If some guy wants to give a girl an iPhone 11 or a 3 ct diamond ring, it's his money, he doesn't need my permission.

If some guy just wants the girls in El Centro, or the girls at La Isla. Who am I to tell him he's doing it wrong?

Myself, I feel no need to call a girl, * If she's acting like una perra, I'll let her know, but I'm not calling her una perra just because she's willing to fuck me for money. I have no need to degrade her just because some woman in the US gets paid more than I do, especially when that girl in Colombia is probably trying to raise a kid on less than $300 per month.

I don't bow and scrape and kiss the girls asses. I just treat them like human beings. Turns out, many of them appreciate that.

Yah yah every guy has the right do what he wants. I was just giving my opinion. My point was buying drinks for a girl all night don't guarantee you any pussy back in the states. If a ***** wants to fuck you she will. Period. Point is guys need to stop the Simping. Ya'll can take those words how ya'll want. And this applies to bitches that got they shit together. Doesn't apply to any woman here in Colombia unless your fucking for free. At the end of the day she only with you for the pesos. Don't matter how good she treats you she don't give a fuck if you die the next day as long as she got paid. So although I won't disrespect any girl here unless she deserves it at the same time all her acts are fucking false. I ain't come here for a fake ass novia. I came to beat in some guts and get my money's worth. Ya'll do you and I'll continue to do me.

[PunkedLife]

Anyone else having issues using Didi? Since I've started using it my cards are selective on when they want to accept the payment. Now I can't even use the app and just use cash because I haven't paid for my last trip because the app isn't letting anything through. Already called the banks I use and got everything cleared with them. On another note what are the other ones available? I remember someone mentioning one the girls use. I'll use taxis for the time being though.

[Surfer500]

Thank you very much for this enjoyable report. If you don't mind, would you please share the details of the good restaurants you visited?

I know of many good restaurants in El Poblado, specifically the barrios of Manila, La Linde, Castaprol, Provenza, and Patio Bonito. I have yet to find a good Asian place, I tried the one in the Click Clack Hotel which was a rip off and terrible. There is an Asian place opposite the Orange Suites Hotel in Astorga which is okay, much better than the Click Clack and about half the price. Good seafood in Medellin, forget it, go to either Santa Marta or Cartagena for that. There are no good Thai restaurants, the one by Parque LLeras sucks, don't go there. Mexican food is a challenge, lots of places put pineapple on their tacos, and their interpretation of Mexican food doesn't make sense. One place on the same street as Carmens named Mal Siento Mesa of all things had Chilli Relleno on the menu, yet the ingredients did not include chili, egg, or cheese. It had meat and apples whatever they thought it was. The best Mexican place I have found is Chiliquales in Manila. They have homemade tortillas, homemade black beans, dishes from Oaxca including moles, Cochinta Pubil, Carnitas, which is to die for, and great guacamole.

[JjBee62]

Thanks for your very thorough report. Lots of good information. I have found that flagging down a taxi around Parque Lleras is a crap shoot, some real rip offs. I use the Cabify app and have always, except once, gotten honest operators. Their fares are close to what Uber's were, sometimes lower. Uber is no longer available in Colombia. Their app says Adios Colombia.

Walk down Calle 9 to Avenida Poblado. Pick the front taxi in line in front of Parque Poblado. I've generally had good luck with them.

[JjBee62]

I don't know why guys bother paying for these girls you take out on dates. Take the ***** out for ice cream and a walk LOL. These girls want equal pay and equal rights so they can pay for their equal share of the bill. FOH. Shit at the very least we can alternate buying rounds. After 3 or 4 rounds if her ass ain't trying to go back to your spot or take you back to hers then you're just wasting your time. Fuck I look like entertaining a ***** all night. Charge these girls to the game and move on to the next.

I don't know why guys pick girls who are fatter than the ones I like. I don't know why guys pick girls thinner than what I like. I don't know why guys insist on anal with the girls. I don't know why guys do TLN or 20 minute quickies. I don't know why everyone doesn't do everything exactly the same way as I.

I also don't care. It's their dick, their money and their business. If a guy wants to fly a girl away to San Andres for the weekend, that's his problem. If some guy wants to give a girl an iPhone 11 or a 3 ct diamond ring, it's his money, he doesn't need my permission.

If some guy just wants the girls in El Centro, or the girls at La Isla. Who am I to tell him he's doing it wrong?

Myself, I feel no need to call a girl, * If she's acting like una perra, I'll let her know, but I'm not calling her una perra just because she's willing to fuck me for money. I have no need to degrade her just because some woman in the US gets paid more than I do, especially when that girl in Colombia is probably trying to raise a kid on less than $300 per month.

I don't bow and scrape and kiss the girls asses. I just treat them like human beings. Turns out, many of them appreciate that.

[Mr Enternational]

You can take the airport bus to San Diego mall stop, then take a taxi to Laureles. When you return to airport, do the reverse but have the driver take you to the San Diego terminal, not the stop. They are just a short distance apart.

Thank you. Thank you. Thank you brother. I came in from Barranquilla and hopped on the bus to San Diego at 10:26. With that new tunnel it was fast as shit. At 10:55 arrived in San Diego. Paid my 10,500 pesos as I got off the bus. Crosschecked the price to San Peter on Easy Taxi so I would know how much to bid on Indriver. 7,150 pesos and dude would arrive in 3 minutes. I was at San Peter before 11:15. No fuss, no muss.

Easy Taxi was showing from 64k to 96k from the airport to Laureles. I think it is common knowledge to be 80k. I could not even get the Indriver app to work at the airport in order to crosscheck the price.

Since I can not check in to San Peter until 3pm, I left my suitcase with the lady at the desk and headed over to my buddy's apartment in Prado Centro. He pays US$250/month for this place. 3BR 2BA. He said the utilities are in his name except for the cable. You need a cedula for the cable because they do a credit check. He found someone with good credit and gave them 150K to put it in their name. I told him that I was looking at some places in Barranquilla where one of my chicks rent for 800,000 pesos/month. He said well you get one there and we can share both places. So that is an idea.

I also tried to use the Scotia Colpatria ATM upstairs before leaving the airport. It would not give me money. The Davivienda machine was broken. I ended up using the Banco Popular machine that let me take out 1 million. It said there was a 13,200 charge. $297 out of my bank. 1,013,200/297= an exchange of 3411.44. XE is showing 3419.91 right now.

[The Tall Man]

I was in Medellin from Saturday Jan 25th until Monday the 27th. Clearly there must be 2 centro's or 2 ground zero's because, clearly ground zero is Calle 52 and Carrera 52. Now, this is the infamous pole that all of the vennies use to hang around, but not many vennies can hang around the pole anymore, because many of you board members have impregnated all of the Vennies who use to hang around the pole. I kid you not; I counted over 17 pregnant girls in Centro on my arrival.

The infamous pole was designated for all of the pretty 18-20 yr old Vennies, but I can assure you that many of you Gringos have impregnated these honeys. I absolutely laughed about the entire situation and capitalized on the entire event. I banged 9 chicas on Saturday and 6 on Sunday and I did not have to move an inch. Many of the impregnated chicas that wouldn't give me a second look in August and September were begging me for a no holds barred cita with them on this trip. I thought that was seriously funny. I have an answer for SJobs, on post as well, one of the pregnant chicas was walking with her husband and she spoke to me, I politely spoke back and gave her a hug, then I asked her was she working and she said yes. The husband, her 2 sisters and her cousin went home and left her with me, it was about 8 pm. I took her back to my room in Parque Botero and banged her tight vagina in doggy style until I had a enough, for a really good low rate and she told me that she hadn't had a date all day that's why the husband was not against her having a date, the entire family hadn't eaten all day. Guess it was my lucky day..

PN, from your lips to gods ears, splendid comments and observations.

Man you had a quick visit. The past three or four days I have spent considerable time in and around plaza Botero and yes it has changed dramatically just int he past 2 or so years.

And the pregnant chica looks delicious! Send me her whatsapp if you got it, pleaseeeee!

The Tall Man.

[Fun Luvr]

Went for a little under a week in late Jan. Some random notes and observations for those interested in my musings. ... I know its moot, but taxis are rip off compared to uber. Price difference was literally 1. 5-2 x. Taxis were con artists, faking getting lost, pretending to be ignorant, and in one case at 950 pm from parque lleras, diverting me into convo and within 2 minutes refusing to turn on the meter saying meters aren't used at night and charging me 20 k for a ride that should have been 8 k-10 k at most. Small potatoes in the larger scheme of things but leaves you feeling ripped off.

Thanks for your very thorough report. Lots of good information. I have found that flagging down a taxi around Parque Lleras is a crap shoot, some real rip offs. I use the Cabify app and have always, except once, gotten honest operators. Their fares are close to what Uber's were, sometimes lower. Uber is no longer available in Colombia. Their app says Adios Colombia.

[Surfer500]

Evolution will invariably force us to favor the younger look and healthy body, I believe that's why 18-21-year-olds are so desirable to many of us.


Having the desire to ensure the survival of a pregnant girl is unquestionably a desirable feature that evolution will preserve; this is why sending the woman who is carrying one's child to work on a dangerous street produces a deep sense of guilty feeling..

I have one 21 year old in my stable, and all the rest are around 30 years old. Yes there can be a lot less wear and tear on the younger ones, but in my sole opinion I find the older ones much better performers. Don't get me wrong here, there's nothing like a tight wet silky pussy that hasn't been loosened up and gone thru a bunch of wear and tear, however I find the older ones to be more in their prime and better performers than their younger siblings.

In regards to someone sending their pregnant girlfriend out to work on a dangerous street. Well a couple of things, nobody here doing that is going to feel guilty as they are just trying to survive, they perhaps may be ashamed if that was what you were referring to, but nothing more, again there only doing this to survive.

In regards to it being dangerous for them to work the streets or lets say El Centro, I don't think so, at least not so much for them as this is their turf, and they know the ins and outs of how things can go down where they are working. A perfect example of this would be a guy going with a pregnant Chica that he pulled from "Little Caracas" formerly known as "Ground Zero" located at the Intersection of Carrea 52 and Calle 52. He enters with the Chica into a Hotel nearby, say the Premium Plaza or Zona Rosa. The hotel attendants notice the girl is pregnant, big deal, they go in the room. So if the guy is a wack job, the Chica can start screaming and the attendants will immediately be at the door. So I'm not sure what your alluding to as being dangerous for them other than a customer being a wack job, or potentially getting some type of STD which can happen to anyone, so it would be fair to say the streets are dangerous to all of us including the clients and the Chicas, and they are.

[Surfer500]

Went for a little under a week in late Jan. Some random notes and observations for those interested in my musings.

Cash withdrawls via ATMs is the undisputed way to go. Got an average exchange rate of 3330 over the 5 days there, and that was always pretty darn close to the mastercard daily rate. My ATM card charges no forex fee and davivienda has no ATM fee. Always decline their ATM offered rate, which mostly offered around 3130.

Tunnel saves some time. In the wee hours of the morning while returning to the airport, we went from my poblado Airbnb to the airport in 21 minutes flat.

Facebook chicas continue to be flaky. And most just want to be there 45 minutes get you to nut and be gone and that is essentially what they think 150 gets you. It takes a lot of effort and maybe a multi trip timeline and some language skills to change that scenario. Atleast that is my guess on what others are saying. I also don't do drugs, or speak fluent Spanish, decently fit but mid 40s, so maybe that all works against me. Also more were insisting on 200 plus taxi than I remember from last year. Finally if you tried to negotiate 2 hrs and 2 shots (polvos in slang, a new word I learnt, haha) then they talk ridiculous rates like 300, and will come down to 200-250 plus taxi. I let a couple of hot ones go for that reason. Whatever, my take away was if you are just trying them out for chemistry etc, then just go with a 1 HR plan and see, because many of them may not be worth another go anyway. Its madness to consider TLN on a first cita. Case closed, end of discussion. Atleast you know some things about them after the first round. Since few on this board exchange experiences with Fb chicas, trial and error is the only way, and they will make money off of us on that, thats just the way it is my friends.

I ended up reverting to a couple of my old reliables and that saved my time. Do not get fixated on any one or two chicas. One in particular wasted my time with missed appointment and had all sorts of excuses, and though I did see her once, the session was meh. Her pics look like 9, she is a 7.5 and her performace was 7, but the energy and time I wasted in pursuit made her a 6. A disappointment generated by building my expectations up. I might still session with her in the future, but I ain't giving her no priority.

Quite a few of FB chicas do drugs (I do not), and that can affect their attitude toward you based on when they see you etc. Interestingly my best time was morning 10 am to get them over, no rush, we are both fresh and I still have the rest of the day after noon for a casa run if I want or fine dining or whatever else I want to do...

Almost sounds like the highlight of your trip was winning at Blackjack.

Interesting that a taxi cab driver pulled that shit on you. Next time that occurs tell the fucker to stop and get out of the taxi and if possible get his vehicle ID number and report the fucker. The cab companies frown on that kind of shit, and I believe they will take notice. Nothing will happen to the driver but he will be called by the company and that should deter him from trying to pull that shit again. My experience with the cabs here as been very positive, however I had one cab tell my I had to pay double what the meter said as I had bought a lot of stuff which filled up the trunk and back seat. This happened with a cab I took from Homecenter one day. After this happened I went to the manager of the store and told them there was a cab driver that was hustling gringos and they contacted the company. I subsequently saw him one day in the taxi line at Homecenter and he was chatting with the other drivers waiting for fares and I came up to him and told him to his face he was a thief. He got all angry and the other drivers were wondering what was up. So that was the payback he got from me, with him explaining to the other drivers why this gringo was calling him a thief. Or it was probably the other way around, with the other drivers wanting to know who was this fucking asshole gringo yelling at a taxi driver like that. Regardless, I unloaded on him, and felt much better regardless of what other's might think.

What happened with you at Parque LLeras is not surprising as I know other drivers will pull that stunt with the gringos to make a few extra bucks, but it is more the exception than the rule, and with it being Lleras and tourists not knowing any better some drivers will exploit the situation. Other than that one experience I had, and I have used the taxis here hundreds of times, and I have found the drivers to be very respectful and professional.

[Nounce]

I believe that's why 18-21-year-olds are so desirable to many of us.

The problem with your approach is that you care more about on what's on the ID than the girl herself.

[Knowledge]

Thank you very much for this enjoyable report. If you don't mind, would you please share the details of the good restaurants you visited?

I am a bit less than neutral on the facebook scene, mostly because of the waiting around it often involves. When I see so many guys mention how much time the facebook girls spend with them I know it's because the girls are doing the old routine of as little sex as they are allowed to get away with interspersed with small talk, boozing, and smoking cripa. Like any independent provider, I find the facebook girls have to be managed to get a fair bang for the buck. Managed as in getting the provider to agree in advance to what you want or move on to another.

Went for a little under a week in late Jan. Some random notes and observations for those interested in my musings.

Cash withdrawls via ATMs is the undisputed way to go. Got an average exchange rate of 3330 over the 5 days there, and that was always pretty darn close to the mastercard daily rate. My ATM card charges no forex fee and davivienda has no ATM fee. Always decline their ATM offered rate, which mostly offered around 3130.

Tunnel saves some time. In the wee hours of the morning while returning to the airport, we went from my poblado Airbnb to the airport in 21 minutes flat.

Facebook chicas continue to be flaky. And most just want to be there 45 minutes get you to nut and be gone and that is essentially what they think 150 gets you. It takes a lot of effort and maybe a multi trip timeline and some language skills to change that scenario. Atleast that is my guess on what others are saying. I also don't do drugs, or speak fluent Spanish, decently fit but mid 40s, so maybe that all works against me. Also more were insisting on 200 plus taxi than I remember from last year. Finally if you tried to negotiate 2 hrs and 2 shots (polvos in slang, a new word I learnt, haha) then they talk ridiculous rates like 300, and will come down to 200-250 plus taxi. I let a couple of hot ones go for that reason. Whatever, my take away was if you are just trying them out for chemistry etc, then just go with a 1 HR plan and see, because many of them may not be worth another go anyway. Its madness to consider TLN on a first cita. Case closed, end of discussion.d I still have the rest of the day after noon for a casa run if I want or fine dining or whatever else I want to do..

[GeneHickman]

Went for a little under a week in late Jan. Some random notes and observations for those interested in my musings.

Cash withdrawls via ATMs is the undisputed way to go. Got an average exchange rate of 3330 over the 5 days there, and that was always pretty darn close to the mastercard daily rate. My ATM card charges no forex fee and davivienda has no ATM fee. Always decline their ATM offered rate, which mostly offered around 3130.

Tunnel saves some time. In the wee hours of the morning while returning to the airport, we went from my poblado Airbnb to the airport in 21 minutes flat.

Facebook chicas continue to be flaky. And most just want to be there 45 minutes get you to nut and be gone and that is essentially what they think 150 gets you. It takes a lot of effort and maybe a multi trip timeline and some language skills to change that scenario. Atleast that is my guess on what others are saying. I also don't do drugs, or speak fluent Spanish, decently fit but mid 40s, so maybe that all works against me. Also more were insisting on 200 plus taxi than I remember from last year. Finally if you tried to negotiate 2 hrs and 2 shots (polvos in slang, a new word I learnt, haha) then they talk ridiculous rates like 300, and will come down to 200-250 plus taxi. I let a couple of hot ones go for that reason. Whatever, my take away was if you are just trying them out for chemistry etc, then just go with a 1 HR plan and see, because many of them may not be worth another go anyway. Its madness to consider TLN on a first cita. Case closed, end of discussion. Atleast you know some things about them after the first round. Since few on this board exchange experiences with Fb chicas, trial and error is the only way, and they will make money off of us on that, thats just the way it is my friends.

I ended up reverting to a couple of my old reliables and that saved my time. Do not get fixated on any one or two chicas. One in particular wasted my time with missed appointment and had all sorts of excuses, and though I did see her once, the session was meh. Her pics look like 9, she is a 7.5 and her performace was 7, but the energy and time I wasted in pursuit made her a 6. A disappointment generated by building my expectations up. I might still session with her in the future, but I ain't giving her no priority.

Quite a few of FB chicas do drugs (I do not), and that can affect their attitude toward you based on when they see you etc. Interestingly my best time was morning 10 am to get them over, no rush, we are both fresh and I still have the rest of the day after noon for a casa run if I want or fine dining or whatever else I want to do.

Many of them from the barrios esp. have pimps / boyfriends / husbands / brothers whatever, and sometimes they may even drop them and wait nearby, hence partly the rush to get out. Thats also a little risky as you never know when they get involved and what scheme they concoct. One particular time, I arrived after the chica came to the building as there was a lot of traffic due to protests that day(yepp intermittently still going on). The chica was waiting in the car with them, and asked me to pay them the agreed taxi fare, that was quite awkward, who was I paying?, which of those titles above, worse yet there were two dudes in the car, then after we went upstairs, she was quite good looking easy an 8. 5/10, but then the restrictions started one by one, only outside kissing, cbj, only light penetration, and so she would't let me do much, then a slight odor, and so we decided to shower, ***** gets out and unwraps all 3 fresh towels, to which I responded by asking her to put one back for me, she gets all upset and about 20-30 minutes in, she wanted to abort the session and insisted on being paid. It was shit awkward all around with language barrier and the disagreement, and with two barrio dudes downstairs. She did all the usual threats and crap. I refused and said I would pay her 50, She then came down to a half session rate, and would not budge, I decided to cut my losses and move on. She then had the audacity to stand at the door and offer to reccomend me other chicas I might like, I nudged he out the door and shut the door behind her. Bad experience.

Casas in laureles were decent. I had good reccomendations from normal asain kid whom I met for lunch on my first day. Those were a couple of good sessions. Went into fantasias energy Tuesday around 2-3 pm and lineup was 10-12 like last time, maybe the better girls were busy, but the lineup was pitiful, lots of cellulite and scars and silicone. There was one mullata that was doable but that was it. Saw nothing I wanted to part with 170k over and unlike during my last trip, I decided to walk out. While waiting there I did see a gringo, looked like close to 70 sitting around waiting, and eventually a solid 8. 5-9 chick came out, greeted him and left with him, obviously some out of casa arrangement. Mamasan asked me to return Friday, so maybe others can go Friday and report back. Sounded like something (maybe selection) may be better Friday. Glad I left, because the apartment casa I went to after was much better, lower price, BBBJ and 2 releases, from a solid 7. 5-8 chica.

I did not go down town this time, as I saw what I needed to last time and decided although the gems do exist, the hunt was not for me. Normal asian kid told me he got the best service from vennies, and I believe him. I did not partake in the mileroticos vennies who can be had for 60k and might upsell to 100k but will treat you well, but I probably should have. Like I said once I got with my old reliables, they kept me happy and got a decent payday, and after all the games and runaround first couple of days, I was not in the mood for dealing with any more crap. Time is a serious commodity for those on short trips. Sometimes you just want a reliable chica under your arm and spend a couple of days that way.

Went to fase dos, note to all, I got there at 9 pm, but it opens at 10 pm but really no point going before 11 pm. Spent an hour at the mall as it was closing. Saw a couple stunners at Fase dos. Called one over chatted a bit and bought her a drink which got me 10 mins of convo but I did not partake. Left around midnight. Went to loutron to check it off the bucket list. Great ambiance, great building and views. You sit at a bar restaurant and the chicas come and present themsleves as available. You should pick on the spot if you like one, cuz odds are if there are other punters she will be gone. The quality of girls is clearly higher here, no question. Price is 320k. Problem is in the room, its all very covered and intimacy is limited, pecks, covered BJ, covered penetration and so on, so really only advantage is the hotness of the girl and the ambiance. 390k with the addition being the beers and water, and taxi back was like 15k. Don't think I will go back. My girl alejandra was a veritable 9 and I don't hand those out easy. So if hotness is your thing and money is no object and covered everything is Ok, its the perfect location.

Stayed at both energy and blux part of the time. Both chica friendly and no issues once they have cedula. They verify everything and take a picture which is a big plus. The security guy told me they check the number on some national database(which if accurate is a big benefit for us). The chica who caused me a bunch of wasted time arrived first time without her cedula and they would not take the iphone image version (I liked that). Big drawback esp. For energy building is the traffic on the road, if you are a light sleeper, you have a problem. Energy roof top pool and views are unparalleled.

I know its moot, but taxis are rip off compared to uber. Price difference was literally 1. 5-2 x. Taxis were con artists, faking getting lost, pretending to be ignorant, and in one case at 950 pm from parque lleras, diverting me into convo and within 2 minutes refusing to turn on the meter saying meters aren't used at night and charging me 20 k for a ride that should have been 8 k-10 k at most. Small potatoes in the larger scheme of things but leaves you feeling ripped off.

Went to the casino once on my last day, and won some money on blackjack. And ended up with like 300 k at the airport. Changed it back at the currency exchange and fully expected to get a rip off rate, but got converted back at like 3282. Weird because day earlier I got 3342 pulling put of the ATM. Checked official rate on my phome and it was still 3334. So whatever, I made a negligible profit going back and forth. LOL.

Tried out a couple of upscale dining options this time and enjoyed the food. Highly reccomended.

Never a dull trip to MDE and will return at some point. Its a great mongering city. Might try Cartagena or some other South american city next time however.

[SJobs]

I want to amplify something JjBee62 said, because I think there is some benefit to the community. Many of the guys who visit are absolutely focused on the 18-21 why / o girl. Why is that? We think those girls are the most attractive, have the least mileage, and so on. Is it true? Maybe, but maybe not.

I think you have to ask yourself what do you enjoy the most in sexual terms? Is it the youthful appearance of the girl? Her performance of various activities? Her general demeanor and attitude?

What excites you the most? What turns you off?

Would you rather see that 19 why / o that is f'ing gorgeous, even if she does't want to kiss you, wants to cover you for oral, and once you've enjoyed yourself, she will race you to the shower with a starting speed that would make Usain Bolt jealous. Is that what you want? It's available and in big numbers..

Thanks for sharing your opinion. I appreciate it. I would love to bang the older chick you are describing, except I don't like girls who doesn't drink and use drugs. My counter point is this, wouldn't it be better to find an 18 year old who is just as hot, as fit, as patient and as willing as the 30+ year old you are describing? If all attributes match (including personality), in my opinion their skin is tighter, they have more youthful energy, and given the way some people like to party (especially in my case) an older girl simply can't keep up.