Medellin Reports

[Mr Enternational]

many mongers forget that normal families live in those buildings too. Not every parent wants to enter an elevator with their kids to find some old guy groping a young, scantily clad girl.

It is their money and their vacation and it is customary for old Colombians to have young chicks.

[JjBee62]

Edeficio Lugo al lado de Oviedo is secure with great porteros and surveillance.

There are dozens of buildings with good security. Most of the buildings in Poblado have excellent security.

But most mongers are looking for chica friendly apartments, and most of the places with good security have a problem with guys bringing in 4 different girls every night. Maybe because, letting lots of visitors into the building makes the building less secure, because too many mongers forget that normal families live in those buildings too. Not every parent wants to enter an elevator with their kids to find some old guy groping a young, scantily clad girl.

So many mongers are stuck in places with no security. Then there are the mongers who insist on no security, because someone asking their girls for cedulas will halt their activities.

[ThatKindOfGuy]

Good advice.

But I'd like to see more buildings with better security in Medellin. People off the street shouldn't be able to get to your front door without you giving the guards the OK to let them in.

I lived in a couple of buildings in Cali that put most of the ones I see in Medellin to shame when it comes to security.

The building I lived in had 4 armed guards 24/7 and an intercom system on the outside of the building.

So unless you lived there or you gave the guards the OK to let someone in. They never set one foot in the building and then once they got in they had to register with their cedula. Only ever had a few girls complain about registering and asked the guards why they had to. The guards simply told them because this isn't a public building..

Edeficio Lugo al lado de Oviedo is secure with great porteros and surveillance.

[MedellinGringo]

I think the gringo brought an u n d e r a g e puta back to his apartment, her pimp showed up, they tried a blackmail scheme, the gringo resisted, and they aced him. The moral would be, look at the fucking cdula FIRST, and be sure you know the difference between what 1/12/99 means in the Yew Ess and what it means in LatAm, Europe, etc.

Good advice.

But I'd like to see more buildings with better security in Medellin. People off the street shouldn't be able to get to your front door without you giving the guards the OK to let them in.

I lived in a couple of buildings in Cali that put most of the ones I see in Medellin to shame when it comes to security.

The building I lived in had 4 armed guards 24/7 and an intercom system on the outside of the building.

So unless you lived there or you gave the guards the OK to let someone in. They never set one foot in the building and then once they got in they had to register with their cedula. Only ever had a few girls complain about registering and asked the guards why they had to. The guards simply told them because this isn't a public building.

And with all that security I still had a double cylinder deadbolt on the front door so the only person that could open it was myself.

Of all the short term rentals I stayed in in Medellin the only one that I felt had decent security was Energy Living.

If someone knows of other buildings with good security I'd like to know where they are located.

[Blue Touch]

Good insights. Thank you.

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

[The Tall Man]

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

As the below post noted, this is probably the way it went down.

RIP.

TTM.

[Questner]

I thought gringo generally meant foreigner, unless I have seriously been missing something all these years. Why would they call you a foreigner if they know you are a local? Do you see it as a derogatory term? Because I am a Black North American guy and have been called gringo by loved ones in South America. And what would they be laughing in your face about? Missing your point about needing to be polite and sensitve when describing a foreigner by their nationality.

No, it's not derogatory in most cases. From my point of view, not from theirs, the term should mean someone from the US. When I tell them that I were not from the US, they seem not to care, and tell me basically, as long as you are not latino you are 'gringo'. Foreigner is of course 'extranjero'. The other term is 'forastero' but I haven't heard anyone use it other that in a name of the famous church in the city centre, Eglesia de la Veracruz de LOS Forasteros, the same church every brave tourist hobbyist is lurking around looking for trouble.

[Chesscat]

Good analysis.

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

[Fun Luvr]

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

[Dickhead]

I think the gringo brought an u n d e r a g e puta back to his apartment, her pimp showed up, they tried a blackmail scheme, the gringo resisted, and they aced him. The moral would be, look at the fucking cédula FIRST, and be sure you know the difference between what 1/12/99 means in the Yew Ess and what it means in LatAm, Europe, etc.

[Blue Touch]

Good job. I appreciate it.

Here's my translation of the article, with notes in parentheses and explained at the bottom:

Un joven de 23 aos fue enviado este lunes a prisin preventiva al ser sealado como el presunto responsable del asesinato, el pasado fin de semana, de un norteamericano dentro de un apartamento en El Poblado.

"A 23 year old (young) man was taken into preventive custody Monday after being identified as the alleged murderer of a North American man inside an apartment in Poblado last weekend."

De acuerdo con el reporte judicial el cadver de la vctima, Johnny Noel Simancas, fue hallado con una arma blanca atravesada en el cuello.

"According to the coroner's report, the victim, Johnny Noel Simancas, was discovered with his throat slashed."

La principal hiptesis de las autoridades es que dentro del inmueble se gener una ria, luego de que el extranjero intentara abusar de una menor de edad de 17 aos. Al parecer la adolescente alert a un amigo para que la rescatara y ah se desencadenaron los hechos violentos..

[Chesscat]

Nice work Dickhead!

So what do you think actually happened?

And what is the moral?

[Dickhead]

Here's my translation of the article, with notes in parentheses and explained at the bottom:

Un joven de 23 años fue enviado este lunes a prisión preventiva al ser señalado como el presunto responsable del asesinato, el pasado fin de semana, de un norteamericano dentro de un apartamento en El Poblado.

"A 23 year old (young) man was taken into preventive custody Monday after being identified as the alleged murderer of a North American man inside an apartment in Poblado last weekend."

De acuerdo con el reporte judicial el cadáver de la víctima, Johnny Noel Simancas, fue hallado con una arma blanca atravesada en el cuello.

"According to the coroner's report, the victim, Johnny Noel Simancas, was discovered with his throat slashed."

La principal hipótesis de las autoridades es que dentro del inmueble se generó una riña, luego de que el extranjero intentara abusar de una menor de edad de 17 años. Al parecer la adolescente alert a un amigo para que la rescatara y ahí se desencadenaron los hechos violentos.

"The authorities' main theory is that there was a fight inside the apartment after the foreigner tried to molest a seventeen-year-old girl. It appears the teenager called a (male) friend to rescue her and that set off a chain of violent events."

Cuando las autoridades acudieron a la escena del crimen, el viernes en la noche, hallaron el cadáver desnudo del extranjero y tres armas: una de fogueo y dos objetos cortopunzantes. Además había huellas de sangre que conducían al tejado por lo que las autoridades iniciaron una persecución por el vecindario que dio con el presunto responsable del crimen.

"When the authorities went to the crime scene Friday night, they discovered the naked body of the foreigner and three weapons: a starter pistol (1) and two sharp objects. Also, there were traces of blood (2) that lead to the roof, which led to a chase through the neighborhood which led to the suspect."

En el apartamento también se hallaron lo documentos de la adolescente que denunció el intento de abuso.

"The teenaged girl who reported the abuse's identification was also found in the apartment."

El joven capturado no aceptó (3) los cargos imputados por el delito de homicidio simple. La menor de edad, por su parte, fue presentada ante un juez de Infancia y Adolescencia.

"The (young) man who was captured denied the charges of simple homicide (4). The teenaged girl, based on her role in the crime, was brought before a Juvenile and Family Court judge."

(1): Could also mean a fake gun, like a replica weapon, or even a cap pistol.

(2): Could also mean bloody footprints (quite likely) or bloody fingerprints.

(3): Could mean "pled not guilty. ".

(3): Could be what would be called second-degree murder or even manslaughter in the US.

[Combo]

Nope. Never. And by that same token I have never heard a person from the United States of America refer to themselves as North American or United Statesian if they have not spent time in South America. In general, people from the United States of America refer to themselves as Americans and people from the United States of Mexico refer to themselves as Mexicans.

The problem is some South American people (eg. my friends that I have been through this issue with) not wanting to realize there can exist more than one meaning of American, just the same as there can exist more than one meaning of gringo. As Dickhead said, the meaning of certain words depend on the context in which they are used.

Well I can't argue that. Back to more important matters!

[YippieKayay]

I thought gringo generally meant foreigner

Extranjero is the word you are looking for. It's officially used at the airports to when you pick the customs line you stand in. Weirdly enough it can also mean 'stranger' or 'strange one. '.