Medellin Reports

[Dickhead]

What JB says about gringos being indiscreet is oh so true. What FL says about it's the latinos partying late and loud is also oh so true. What Mr. E says makes me want to steal his passport so he can't take that attitude on the road.

I will say that in over ten years of living in LatAm and Spain, I have never encountered puke in an elevator. Maybe I have just been lucky. Puke on the sidewalk, fairly often. But puke in an elevator? Never.

And I don't think that 'most' mongers are clueless, insensitive idiots. My experience is that most mongers are less clueless and insensitive than the average idiot tourist. They are more well traveled and have more incentive to stay out of trouble. Some mongers, especially rookie mongers and especially mongers from rude places like the northeast of the US, urban England (the absolute worst in my experience), tend to give other mongers a bad name.

And tend to get their throats slit or end up in prison. That is just Darwin for the most part.

[Combo]

I agree with your point of view. When I am in Medellin, I stay in an apartment building with all short-term renters. I have witnessed the all night parties. Surprisingly, it is usually Latinos having the parties. I've noticed more gringos with the mindset described above in bars and restaurants.

But there are also the self appointed social police who want to eliminate all prostitution. There is nothing we can do about them, just let them let off steam.

You always have those people to some extent. Some are upright women who want to cut mens' balls off. Some are hard core religious. Luckily in Colombia they haven't been able to override common sense yet. But they'll keep on trying.

[Knowledge]

You are correct on both counts.

It is their money and their vacation and it is customary for old Colombians to have young chicks.

[Fun Luvr]

...If most mongers weren't such clueless and insensitive idiots, chica friendly would rarely be an issue. However, they stupidly think "it's my money and my vacation, so I can do anything I want. "So they bring 4 guys and 6 prepagos back at 2 am, crank up the music and party till dawn. The long-term residents are greeted by puke in the elevator and a bunch of trashed hookers trying to catch taxis, or worse.

Chica friendly in a building with security will soon be a thing of the past, mostly because of the "my money, my vacation, fuck everyone else" ignorance.

Show respect, use discretion, consider the rights of your neighbors and you'll have fewer problems.

I agree with your point of view. When I am in Medellin, I stay in an apartment building with all short-term renters. I have witnessed the all night parties. Surprisingly, it is usually Latinos having the parties. I've noticed more gringos with the mindset described above in bars and restaurants.

But there are also the self appointed social police who want to eliminate all prostitution. There is nothing we can do about them, just let them let off steam.

[Combo]

It is their money and their vacation and it is customary for old Colombians to have young chicks.

But the Colombians generally do it discreetly. I think it's customary to use a love motel. Which likely explains the prevalence of these places.

[Chesscat]

Rather than taking women back to their apts, I think it would be more considerate, more fun and more adventurous to take a woman to a love hotel.

[Cbear13]

Are there any good swinger clubs in medellin. I will be there and me and one of my girls want to go.

[JjBee62]

It is their money and their vacation and it is customary for old Colombians to have young chicks.

Selective quoting for the win.

As of Saturday, I'll have spent 8 months in this building. Out of about 190 apartments, there is 1 other gringo. I'm also a frequent visitor to 2 other complexes, one with over 400 units. Not once have I seen an old Colombian bringing in a prepago, let alone 3 or 4 in the same day. Not once have I seen an old Colombian groping a prepago in the elevator. I did see a young Colombian couple getting a bit carried away once, but it was late night and they were clearly not expecting anyone else to be coming in.

When old Colombians have young chicks, they use discretion. They don't flaunt them in front of family and neighbors. They certainly don't bring them home and fuck them on the balcony.

It's their money and their vacation, yes. This might come as a shock to you: It's not their property, it's not their building, it's not their city and it's not their country. Other people live in the buildings, other people own the apartments, including the one they are staying in. Other people have certain expectations of how their neighbors behave while in the community areas of the building. Other people expect to be able to sleep at 3 am. Other people don't like meeting obvious prepagos in the elevator. Guess who wins when 5 apartment owners complain to administration about the behavior of the short-term renters at 1 or 2 apartments?

If most mongers weren't such clueless and insensitive idiots, chica friendly would rarely be an issue. However, they stupidly think "it's my money and my vacation, so I can do anything I want. "So they bring 4 guys and 6 prepagos back at 2 am, crank up the music and party till dawn. The long-term residents are greeted by puke in the elevator and a bunch of trashed hookers trying to catch taxis, or worse.

Chica friendly in a building with security will soon be a thing of the past, mostly because of the "my money, my vacation, fuck everyone else" ignorance.

Show respect, use discretion, consider the rights of your neighbors and you'll have fewer problems.

[Mr Enternational]

many mongers forget that normal families live in those buildings too. Not every parent wants to enter an elevator with their kids to find some old guy groping a young, scantily clad girl.

It is their money and their vacation and it is customary for old Colombians to have young chicks.

[JjBee62]

Edeficio Lugo al lado de Oviedo is secure with great porteros and surveillance.

There are dozens of buildings with good security. Most of the buildings in Poblado have excellent security.

But most mongers are looking for chica friendly apartments, and most of the places with good security have a problem with guys bringing in 4 different girls every night. Maybe because, letting lots of visitors into the building makes the building less secure, because too many mongers forget that normal families live in those buildings too. Not every parent wants to enter an elevator with their kids to find some old guy groping a young, scantily clad girl.

So many mongers are stuck in places with no security. Then there are the mongers who insist on no security, because someone asking their girls for cedulas will halt their activities.

[ThatKindOfGuy]

Good advice.

But I'd like to see more buildings with better security in Medellin. People off the street shouldn't be able to get to your front door without you giving the guards the OK to let them in.

I lived in a couple of buildings in Cali that put most of the ones I see in Medellin to shame when it comes to security.

The building I lived in had 4 armed guards 24/7 and an intercom system on the outside of the building.

So unless you lived there or you gave the guards the OK to let someone in. They never set one foot in the building and then once they got in they had to register with their cedula. Only ever had a few girls complain about registering and asked the guards why they had to. The guards simply told them because this isn't a public building..

Edeficio Lugo al lado de Oviedo is secure with great porteros and surveillance.

[MedellinGringo]

I think the gringo brought an u n d e r a g e puta back to his apartment, her pimp showed up, they tried a blackmail scheme, the gringo resisted, and they aced him. The moral would be, look at the fucking cdula FIRST, and be sure you know the difference between what 1/12/99 means in the Yew Ess and what it means in LatAm, Europe, etc.

Good advice.

But I'd like to see more buildings with better security in Medellin. People off the street shouldn't be able to get to your front door without you giving the guards the OK to let them in.

I lived in a couple of buildings in Cali that put most of the ones I see in Medellin to shame when it comes to security.

The building I lived in had 4 armed guards 24/7 and an intercom system on the outside of the building.

So unless you lived there or you gave the guards the OK to let someone in. They never set one foot in the building and then once they got in they had to register with their cedula. Only ever had a few girls complain about registering and asked the guards why they had to. The guards simply told them because this isn't a public building.

And with all that security I still had a double cylinder deadbolt on the front door so the only person that could open it was myself.

Of all the short term rentals I stayed in in Medellin the only one that I felt had decent security was Energy Living.

If someone knows of other buildings with good security I'd like to know where they are located.

[Blue Touch]

Good insights. Thank you.

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

[The Tall Man]

I have seen two conflicting reports of where the apartment is located. One shows a photo of the building where primarily gringos stay. The other (video report) shows an apartment across the street. I have stayed in apartments on that street many times. I have never seen a gringo going in or out of the apartment in the video. I think it is the apartment building in the photo. I don't think it is a first floor apartment because the report said the two tried to escape on the roof.

As to what happened, I don't think the age of the girl had any bearing. The report said the gringo was found naked. I think he and the girl had sex, and he was taking a shower afterwards. While he was in the shower, the girl went downstairs and let the guy in. They intended to rob the gringo, but he resisted. There was a struggle and the gringo realized he was in trouble and began screaming. That's when a neighbor called the police. They slashed the gringo's throat and tried to find money, which was probably locked in the room safe. They stayed in the apartment too long and heard the police sirens, so they tried to escape through the roof.

IMO, the fatal mistake was resisting a robbery.

As the below post noted, this is probably the way it went down.

RIP.

TTM.

[Questner]

I thought gringo generally meant foreigner, unless I have seriously been missing something all these years. Why would they call you a foreigner if they know you are a local? Do you see it as a derogatory term? Because I am a Black North American guy and have been called gringo by loved ones in South America. And what would they be laughing in your face about? Missing your point about needing to be polite and sensitve when describing a foreigner by their nationality.

No, it's not derogatory in most cases. From my point of view, not from theirs, the term should mean someone from the US. When I tell them that I were not from the US, they seem not to care, and tell me basically, as long as you are not latino you are 'gringo'. Foreigner is of course 'extranjero'. The other term is 'forastero' but I haven't heard anyone use it other that in a name of the famous church in the city centre, Eglesia de la Veracruz de LOS Forasteros, the same church every brave tourist hobbyist is lurking around looking for trouble.