Medellin Reports

[Bbrocs]

I have posted "similar question" because I got no response, no answer to them and they got buried in the thread. The only help I received was in the Apt. Section and one PM. I was hoping for more..

Besides the PM I sent you try:

Apartmentsmedellin, VRBO, GOOGLE, CRAIGSLIST Colombia, AIRBNB, FLIPKEY

just some advice communicate more, say my budget is this, what else can you show me. Hard to help unless you explain what it is you want.

[Colombia Jake]

Http://www.colombiajake.com/

World cup fun party last Friday with cans of foam spray all over the Zona Rosa! Hope Colombia wins this Friday and do it again! Had two sets of guys stay last month one set from Canada and the other mix USA and England buddies came to stay at Jake's and let me show them around and get comfortable with the city. Both felt it takes three days to get adjusted to a new city and that's just how they each stayed and then moved on to other places. If your coming on a short trip your not going to be able to find the places and night life I going to show you no matter how much you prepare in advance. Give a shout!

Thanks,

Jake

[Legal Tender]

Medellin women has the strongest disposition to prostitute themselves in Colombia. Since Colombian woman have among the highest percentage overall in the world, this makes "las paisas" the most apt to have sex for money in the whole world!

This behavior are not just a pure tendency to choose this for economical reasones. It is a behaviour that influences many other social activities and relations. The Paisa Mentality.

This statistics show this pattern very well: " First place in the twentieth century, the city with the highest number of women in prostitution was Medellin. In the early 70's in Antioquia was over 30 per cent of sex workers surveyed nationwide and of that percentage, 70 percent lived in the city, according to Ada Trifiro, in her book "Women in prostitution". The department has also been characterized as the birthplace of the greater number of them in the country. According to the statistics representing 30.6 percent, indicating the publication.

Paisa women (here Antioquia) are the vastly overrepresented in the profession. The Antioquia women represent 13.6 % of the female population, but 30.6% of the prostitutes in Colombia.

It is in the culture of course. Acting likewise in other situations are hence typical paisa. They break social conventions and rules in order to get their hands on a iPhone or a Studio F purse, but also to get grades at the university, get a job, get married into a higher Estrato Social or "extranjero". That is human, but among paisas it is not just human, it's typical!

Cultural, yes, but also genetical, since other parts of Colombia with the same culture not are affected and the paisa region is way better of in job opportunities than other regions in Colombia. One might reason. But actually poverty is NOT the strongest component in explaing prostitution. It is much more about "marriable men" in the strict economical sense!

The more money that flows into Medellin and the more percentage of men that can not attract a female to marry them because of RELATIVE TO THE WOMEN economical shortcomings, the more prostitutes there will be. It will not decrease due to economic growth, research show, it may instead increase, vastly!. The economical "profit" for marriage are the central factor. Since most men continue to have weak "relative" economical performance due to very low salaries for unskilled workers, females, now with "education", are increasing in numbers as well as a percentage of the cohort 18-33 years old.

This according to researchers Lena Edlund and Evelyn Korn study ""A Theory of Prostitution" publiced in Journal Of Political Economy.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/eco...stitution.html

Already given this strong genetical and cultural behaviour and the new economical circumstances, the number and percentage of prostitutes, in all forms, will continue to increase in Medellin.

Paisas will be even more inclined to do above mentioned things for money, and to it in a typical paisa way.

Hence. For us buyers, we the "extranjeros", there should be an steady influx of new talent into the scene, which should hold back prices. Prices would maybe have been rising fast without this growth of the workforce. But maybe 90% of the 45 k-60 k prostitutes in Medellin never come in contact with extranjeros. But essentially there is no reason to accept steadily rising prices, increasing much more than the average inflation in Medellin. We can negotiate better prices than we think, including myself!

We are the buyers and for us it is essential calculate how our behavioural options turns out:

Pick up your calculator and do the maths; Which option is best, inluding all, for us extranjeros in Medellin? Girlfriend, girlfriends, wife, wife +lover, wife+lover+ prepagos, or just stick to the "best buck for the money"-principle. Marriage can on the other hand be an investment, successful men always must have a representative good looking (for us: latin) wife, or be considered weird.

A study how the "buyers" act is also needed.

The writing by Jack was very interesting. The observations and conclusions are fair deductions from the underlying authorities. There is something "special" about the women of Medellin. They have a genetically validated quality: some of the most beautiful and sexual women on the planet. I suspect they are some of the most popular sex workers on earth. They are everywhere pussy is being sold at a profitable price. The social conventions and rules that Jack wrote about are not necessarily "broken. " It is not unusual for successful men in Medellin to have a "special" girl on the side. And, the culture seems to embrace the notion that a girl can have a relationship with a "maduro" - an older man that will provide guidance and support. It's interesting to see Christianity practiced without the influence of Puritanism. The view is that between a male and female sex is simply "normal. " What is remarkable is how many of these girls are simply pleasure givers. They are usually undependable, addicted to drama, and only live in the present moment; they're naturals at sex and like to benefit.

[Hawk452]

Sorry, I can't resist.

You posted similar question several times in the last few days, which is not big deal but I also noticed that you also posted a "first timer" question in 10-20-13 in the DR thread and never bothered to contribute back with any reports about DR. Please read the forum and learn to contribute before you ask others for their time and effort.

No hard feelings. I am only doing this to discourage other newbies from doing the same. Good luck with your trip.

P.S. It is not too late. Post a decent trip report on your October DR trip (with some real info) and PM me. I will be happy to answer all your questions about MDE.

I have posted "similar question" because I got no response, no answer to them and they got buried in the thread. The only help I received was in the Apt. Section and one PM. I was hoping for more.

Second my plans fell apart in October and I ended up staying the whole time at Blackbeards, while it is a fun place it has literally been posted about hundreds of times and I figure one more wouldn't matter. I meet a chica by the pool went to room, meet a chica by the pool went to room, watched bikini show, meet a girl by the pool went to room and so on and so forth.

I wish someone would put in a little time and effort, I will be happy to write a review of my trip, I would like some help to make it a good one and a good read.

The offer of a round or 2 still stands.

[Vitrea]

This is my first time visiting Colombia, I usually go to the DR, Thailand, or Mexico. I have been reading the message board so I can hit the ground running, instead of landing on my face when I get there next week, Friday the 11th, and I want to know how much, on an average a tour of the casas or bars will set me back, what should I carry and be prepared to spend so I don't look like a Cheap Charlie or a Mark ready to be robbed? A good daily average, $50, $100, $150. ? I know different area have different rules and I have never had any problems when traveling but I am trying to prevent the first time from happening. Second I have read several post about Spanish lessons being available but where do you go to get them? Can you go to the Mansion for a drink and check it out or is it for guest only? Just curious may want to stay there but want to know a little about it first, is it like Blackbeards in Porta Plata, DR? I have a place in Parque Lleras anybody want to meet up Friday for a drink and help a new guy to the area out, I'll buy the first round or 2. (See not a cheap charlie) Just PM me.

Sorry, I can't resist.

You posted similar question several times in the last few days, which is not big deal but I also noticed that you also posted a "first timer" question in 10-20-13 in the DR thread and never bothered to contribute back with any reports about DR. Please read the forum and learn to contribute before you ask others for their time and effort.

No hard feelings. I am only doing this to discourage other newbies from doing the same. Good luck with your trip.

P.S. It is not too late. Post a decent trip report on your October DR trip (with some real info) and PM me. I will be happy to answer all your questions about MDE.

[Vitrea]

Really Vitrea? You surprise me but OK, just for shits and giggles.


Well, it might be an "honest" attempt (whatever that means) but "reasonably methodical" and "somewhat scientific", really Vitrea?

Let's hope his analysis of the "Women of the Dominican Republic" follows shortly.

I just thought it is only fair that you explain why you thought he was wrong. Now that you did that, accept my apologies my friend, for sticking my nose where it does not belong. Cheers.

[Hawk452]

This is my first time visiting Colombia, I usually go to the DR, Thailand, or Mexico. I have been reading the message board so I can hit the ground running, instead of landing on my face when I get there next week, Friday the 11th, and I want to know how much, on an average a tour of the casas or bars will set me back, what should I carry and be prepared to spend so I don't look like a Cheap Charlie or a Mark ready to be robbed? A good daily average, $50, $100, $150. ? I know different area have different rules and I have never had any problems when traveling but I am trying to prevent the first time from happening. Second I have read several post about Spanish lessons being available but where do you go to get them? Can you go to the Mansion for a drink and check it out or is it for guest only? Just curious may want to stay there but want to know a little about it first, is it like Blackbeards in Porta Plata, DR? I have a place in Parque Lleras anybody want to meet up Friday for a drink and help a new guy to the area out, I'll buy the first round or 2. (See not a cheap charlie) Just PM me.

[Rjsss212]

The guy made an honest effort to present a reasonably methodical and somewhat scientific approach to address a very genuine question of why prostitution rates are so high in MDE. Your comment without backing up what the actual non factual information is simply ridiculous.

Really Vitrea? You surprise me but OK, just for shits and giggles.

In his first sentence CJack posits that "Medellin women has the strongest disposition to prostitute themselves in Colombia. ".

Ok, I can't begin to speculate whether this is true or not based on my barely half a dozen trips but lets see how he gets there:

It is in the culture of course. Acting likewise in other situations are hence typical paisa. They break social conventions and rules in order to get their hands on a iPhone or a Studio F purse, but also to get grades at the university, get a job, get married into a higher Estrato Social or "extranjero". That is human, but among paisas it is not just human, it's typical

"Cultural", "human", "not just human", "typical". Huh? I mean, huh? Or was it the iphone.

Cultural, yes, but also genetical, since other parts of Colombia with the same culture not are affected and the paisa region is way better of in job opportunities than other regions in Colombia. One might reason.

Again, quite a stretch but at least he qualified it with "One might reason".

Now 3 paragraphs down:

Already given this strong genetical and cultural behaviour and the new economical circumstances, the number and percentage of prostitutes, in all forms, will continue to increase in Medellin.

Whoa! So his "one may reason" is now a "strong" genetic link and has become fact and leads to the inevitable conclusion of an increase in hookers and falling prices?

Is this something like the BRCA gene? And what's the protocol, clitoral extraction?

Well, it might be an "honest" attempt (whatever that means) but "reasonably methodical" and "somewhat scientific", really Vitrea?

Let's hope his analysis of the "Women of the Dominican Republic" follows shortly.

[Turgid]

". definitely Colombians are the Ho, s of the world. " That is so not true. There are more Dominican women in the profession worldwide and I would not call them that. Also what about the Chinese, Brazilians, Filipinas and Thais. Furthermore there are many Colombians living in other countries who have successful mainstream careers and are married to extranjeros.

[Vitrea]

I think you have fallen victim to "confirmation bias". You might want to recheck your "facts".

The guy made an honest effort to present a reasonably methodical and somewhat scientific approach to address a very genuine question of why prostitution rates are so high in MDE. Your comment without backing up what the actual non factual information is simply ridiculous.

[Pelon74]

Medellin women has the strongest disposition to prostitute themselves in Colombia. Since Colombian woman have among the highest percentage overall in the world, this makes "las paisas" the most apt to have sex for money in the whole world!

This behavior are not just a pure tendency to choose this for economical reasones. It is a behaviour that influences many other social activities and relations. The Paisa Mentality.

This statistics show this pattern very well: " First place in the twentieth century, the city with the highest number of women in prostitution was Medellin. In the early 70's in Antioquia was over 30 per cent of sex workers surveyed nationwide and of that percentage, 70 percent lived in the city, according to Ada Trifiro, in her book "Women in prostitution". The department has also been characterized as the birthplace of the greater number of them in the country. According to the statistics representing 30.6 percent, indicating the publication.

Paisa women (here Antioquia) are the vastly overrepresented in the profession. The Antioquia women represent 13.6 % of the female population, but 30.6% of the prostitutes in Colombia.

It is in the culture of course. Acting likewise in other situations are hence typical paisa. They break social conventions and rules in order to get their hands on a iPhone or a Studio F purse, but also to get grades at the university, get a job, get married into a higher Estrato Social or "extranjero". That is human, but among paisas it is not just human, it's typical!

Cultural, yes, but also genetical, since other parts of Colombia with the same culture not are affected and the paisa region is way better of in job opportunities than other regions in Colombia. One might reason. But actually poverty is NOT the strongest component in explaing prostitution. It is much more about "marriable men" in the strict economical sense!

The more money that flows into Medellin and the more percentage of men that can not attract a female to marry them because of RELATIVE TO THE WOMEN economical shortcomings, the more prostitutes there will be. It will not decrease due to economic growth, research show, it may instead increase, vastly!. The economical "profit" for marriage are the central factor. Since most men continue to have weak "relative" economical performance due to very low salaries for unskilled workers, females, now with "education", are increasing in numbers as well as a percentage of the cohort 18-33 years old.

This according to researchers Lena Edlund and Evelyn Korn study ""A Theory of Prostitution" publiced in Journal Of Political Economy.

http://www.forbes.com/2006/02/11/eco...stitution.html

Already given this strong genetical and cultural behaviour and the new economical circumstances, the number and percentage of prostitutes, in all forms, will continue to increase in Medellin.

Paisas will be even more inclined to do above mentioned things for money, and to it in a typical paisa way.

Hence. For us buyers, we the "extranjeros", there should be an steady influx of new talent into the scene, which should hold back prices. Prices would maybe have been rising fast without this growth of the workforce. But maybe 90% of the 45 k-60 k prostitutes in Medellin never come in contact with extranjeros. But essentially there is no reason to accept steadily rising prices, increasing much more than the average inflation in Medellin. We can negotiate better prices than we think, including myself!

We are the buyers and for us it is essential calculate how our behavioural options turns out:

Pick up your calculator and do the maths; Which option is best, inluding all, for us extranjeros in Medellin? Girlfriend, girlfriends, wife, wife +lover, wife+lover+ prepagos, or just stick to the "best buck for the money"-principle. Marriage can on the other hand be an investment, successful men always must have a representative good looking (for us: latin) wife, or be considered weird.

A study how the "buyers" act is also needed.

It's amazing you can find Colombians working in HK, Europe, Macau, Shanghai, Japan, Mexico, CR, Israel, Arab golf counties and even in Jamaica, definitely Colombians are the Ho, s of the world.

[Loki]

I came across their website (http://avatarmasajes.wix.com/avatar), but upon further review, they are not a bukkake club / gangbang club (in the German sense anyway).

I got excited for a little bit because one of my best experiences was spending to days in a Berlin Gangbang club last summer (Erlebniswohnung was the name of the club).

Anyway, if anyone has ever been here, my question is:

Is this place in Medellin any different from the other Centro casas?

The address is:

Calle 58 No 45 D-104 Echeverry Cerca de la Avenida Oriental.

[Turgid]

My days for doing street girls in the US are long gone. I know a pimp who over the years has more or less become a friend who supplies me with hookers, they're not cheap, however. I've seen the street girls in Centro Mde and am totally uninterested. The last time I sampled in Mayorista was in 2008 the same year as my last visit to what I consider to be the best street scene in the world, Geylang in Singapore, some of my best mongering experiences ever were had there (ah, those Indonesian cuties). But I understand its not as good now as it was then. I'm looking forward to my visit to Mde from next week after a hiatus of almost four years. Mostly casa visits. Will compare to 2010.

[BayBoy]

US $15 in 1975 in the purchase power of 2014, according to the calculation based on the CPI. A conversion based on GDP or National Income growth would be a different story.

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The street girls are charging $30-40 today. Maybe these are the good olden times.

[Member #4394]

You brought many relevant factors. But unfortunately, many things (ie culture, economy, academic findings, what Forbes writer said, etc.) got mixed up in your long post. Thanks for the effort.

Medellin women has the strongest disposition to prostitute themselves in Colombia. .

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