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[Member #3435]

What Uncle Jack is basically saying is that he wants us to leave the chicas to the rich like him because we can't or choose not to pay what he can.

Let someone with Bill Gates' money go down and tell Uncle Jack that he's a piker for not giving the girls what Bill can, and I'll bet he would make the same arguments as we do against what he is saying.

Some of the guys on this board don't even make $45k net and even if they wanted to pay what Uncle Jack suggests is appropriate, they wouldn't have the money to eat or even get home.

I am not attacking the man, only his elitist attitude and his attack on we papis pobres.

Not everyone can abandon his family, move to Colombia, and spend his life savings on Colombianas.

I don't get that from his posts at all. For me, his main point is that it pains him to see gringo low lifes acting stupid in public and routinely disrespectful to the girls. He's just articulating it to the community. Maybe he got fed up with it and just decided to let them have with both barrells. This board is better for it.

I've run into and seen the same types, albeit in many different forms, my whole travelling life. IMO, they should never step outside the US and I avoid them like the plague.

[Voyajer1]

Even though I have nowhere the resources this man has, I understand his point of view. Every human being deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, especially when we travel to their lands. I have seen how disrespectful other people from the U. S. treat people in their lands. Usually, and deservedly in many cases, the locals don't tolerate the abuse. That's how, in many occasions, you hear of people getting their asses kicked. A lot of times, we don't see how our culture may clash with the host's way of living. At the same time, nickeling and diming providers can only result in one thing: Bad service. In all my travels, I've had bad service in 2 occasions; however, if you meet enough providers, you are bound to find an awful one from time to time. From my perspective, it is still not a good practice to complain in public or humiliate anyone for what happened. It is only money. I know for a fact that I will get it back. People are fighting everyday for bread and shelter in these countries, so they will do anything to get it. We are not entitled to dismiss their practices as it is us that are leaving the confines of our society to take advantage of theirs. As long as what you do makes you happy, does not offend anyone, or break the law, go for it. After all, we are all pursuing the same thing, our happiness. There is no need for put downs, accusations of price inflation, nickel and diming providers, etc. We all know our limits, so we need to stick to them and not worry about what the other guy does.

[QUOTE=Uncle Jack]What I am talking about here is RESPECT not how much you guys are actually paying. If you people make an agreement to pay 50,000 pesos then that is a perfectly legitimate deal but there is no reason to act in such a disrespectful manner.

[Malodr]

Well I decided to stay in Laurelas for a few night because its near the Metro and its a 10 minute train ride to Centro. I arrived on Tuesday, grabbed a cab at the airport and arrived at the hotel within 40 minutes for 48,000 pesos.

The metro is loaded with so many hot chicas, that I could ride that thing all day long.

I started off at Athena and they had 8 chicas of which I wanted 4. One remembered me from last time and called the other two that were in her group and they have been coming over daily for 50,000 each.

I walked around BJ park and meet 2 street chicas that I hung around awile with and I don´t think I will have time for them this trip at all. I did have lunch with one hot one but I didn´t see her went I went thru the next day.

I went to new life and they had 15 there so I choose one asked her about coming back afterwards and she said 250,000 per night. I told her I will be here 12 nights and 100,000 was my limit. She just left here about an hour ago, our 4th night together. She arrives on time nightly.

I went to Sexy and they have two for one for 50,000 for 45 minutes. I had 4 sessions there and I showed the picture of my all night chica to the blonde and she likes her. I showed the all nighter the blonde last night and she likes her as well. Both are Bi and I shall have the blonde over on Monday hopefully.

Bell Suites had about 5 and I passed. I went to Kamasutra and they are doing the two for one for an hour for 45,000. I had a session and they wanted to come back for 120,000 each but I explained I pay about 50,000 and they quickly agreed. Maybe Monday, maybe Tuesday, I will see.

I have been using that map and its extremely helpful. Some casa have 12 or more working while others have about 8. There is no way I will get to all 30 casas this trip.

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[Justafool]

Uncle Jack,

It seems that you have a lot of resentment and you use your great wealth to purchase what you want.

I too come from that kind of family but I broke away from that when I was 20 and my mother told me she would disown me (as if I am property) for my engagement to a Puerto Rican who was not of the same faith. What to do? I moved out and held on to my freedom the money I earned on my own. While I was not rich when the inheritance came five years ago, I turned it way with out any gratification but a tax write-off.

To make a long chapter short, it seems you use you great wealth to control/buy people. If you choice the Cadillac that is fine for you but do not disguise it for what it is, you are using your money to find a woman who will worship you (because of your money) not them worship you for who you are. Anything to monger!

Sorry about your grandchildren but your two putas are no different; they will not die if you were too cut them off the will just move on to the next guy.

A little curious: it is very nice what you did for that little girl but, Woody Allen you did not say what she gives up to you. Just out of the kindness of your heart or do you just like slumming occasionally.

What I am talking about here is RESPECT not how much you guys are actually paying. If you people make an agreement to pay 50,000 pesos then that is a perfectly legitimate deal but there is no reason to act in such a disrespectful manner.

Let me explain using the example of the clowns I overheard at the restaurant. They were all talking shit about how they found girls the night before for 50,000 pesos and talked them down to 40,000. They were laughing about this and generally acting like complete idiots.

Well, these girls who are working for 50,000 pesos have had a hard life. They are there on the street because they cannot be anywhere else. And I assure you that they would rather be ANYWHERE else. I then see a group of much older men from the United States bragging how they talked down a poor girl by about $5.00.

I really got to wonder about these people. It just blows my mind that people like these clowns actually exist. You were born in the richest most powerful nation on earth yet are so low that you take pride in talking an impoverished girl down $5. 00.

Did you ever think that maybe she needs the money for something important? Even if it is not important I assure you she needs the money more than you do. I wondered if these Americans were all working for minimal wage so $5. 00 was a lot of money for them or if they all just had some sort of psychological disorder. When you see a girl on the street like that you should offer her more than what she asks simply because you can.

About 5 years ago I met a girl here who was working as a prostitute because her mother was very I'll. She could not afford to be in a private clinic and felt her mother would die without being in one. I sent someone directly to this clinic to see if she was telling the truth and it was true. I then went to the clinic and met her mother personally. The girl had quit school to work as a prostitute so she could help her mother.

I told the girl if she went back to school I would pay all that her mother needed. The clinic billed me each month until her mother eventually died. I ended up spending over 20 thousand dollars but I felt it was worth it. That girl has now completed college and has a future. I still see her once in a while and love her like she was my child.

My own great grandchildren are a bunch of self centered spoiled brats. I warned each one of them several years ago that they would be disinherited if they did not immediately change their lifestyles. They didn’t. Indeed, I just heard one spent about $20, 000 on her own birthday party. I sent her a birthday card the next day with a photo of a big zero on it so she knows her share of the inheritance. They think they will be able to still get my money after my death but they are in for a big shocker since every last penny is going to a charitable trust here in Medellin. The money has already been transferred outside of the United States and they are not going to be able to touch a dime.

My whole point here is most of you guys have a lot more than any of these girls will ever have and you should not take pride in being as cheap as you possibly can. These girls need to be shown kindness and respect. They are not standing on that street because they want to be. They are human beings who have been dealt a bad hand in life while most of you were born into the land of opportunity but it seems apparent that you never utilized those opportunities.

[Count Dante]

I was also put off by Uncle Jack's first post, although I agreed with a large portion of the content. I was also confused as to his choices based on my limited experience with Colombia. I saw Americans living in Colombia with 1 or more extremely beautiful girlfriends and while some were paying like Uncle Jack, several were paying for little more than dinner and transportation. In these cases the girls really were girlfriends, not girls on their payroll who were pretending to be their girlfriends.

His second post explained a lot more, and his third post explained more still. He has a great granddaughter that spent $20K on her own birthday. Considering that, my guess is that Uncle Jack is his LATE 70's to 80's. The fact that he is wealthy and lives permanently in Colombia, opens up opportunities that most guys who only visit once or twice a year will never see. At the same time, his age limits the ability to fully use the venues that a lot of mongers on this board like, whether he would want to try those locations or not. Can you actually imagine an 80 something year old man trolling Mayorista or hitting several strip clubs every night looking for a 30 min lay? It is a much safer, convenient, and smarter course of action to have these two college students come by his house every day and give him what he wants. I find that a lot of the older guys tend to gravitate towards having a steady girl they call (they tend to lease, instead of rent).

Just as guys who live in Medellin have more options than guys who don't, and guys who have more money have more options than guys who don't, guys in their late 20's to early 50's have more (or shall we say different) options than guys in their 80's. Personally I hope to be like Uncle Jack when I am in my 80's, with 2 hot teenagers worshiping me. Seeing how my grandpa lived when he was in his 80's, I admire the lifestyle of Uncle Jack. It beats eating creamed corn while waiting to die in some nursing home. But right now, I'm 31 years old, and having the same two girls every day, no matter how beautiful they are, would bore the hell out of me.

I don't pay these girls for companionship. I pay them to fuck and leave. I can get companionship for free in the U. S. In fact, that is the problem for me in the States. Pretty girls are willing to fuck me, but they want a "relationship" to go with it. I can't be tied down to one girl at this time in my life, no matter how pretty, because eventually I will get bored. I know several guys who monger in Costa Rica and Colombia that are like that. Some of us WANT the random, wild, sex with a Mayorista girl, Mansion girl or stripper. Truth be told, there is something thrilling about hunting in the low end strip clubs and streets and finding that diamond in the rough. We aren't looking for someone to worship us, we want someone to fuck us and leave. Now, I have spent time with putas, hung out with them and done fun (non-sexual) things, but I am not paying for that shit.

I absolutely agree with his point about being respectful to these women. I disagree about negotiating on price, however. These girls (if they are smart) will start off with an inflated price if they think you can afford it and will pay it. However, I find that once I speak to them (in Spanish) and I inform them that I know what the standard price is, they have no problem agreeing to a more realistic number. Perhaps it is different in Medellin, but in most of my time in Latin America, the concept of negotiating for price is generally respected. In fact, I have had several Colombianas tell me about how little they respect guys who just spend money like it was water. They will take the cash, but they won't respect the guy that is giving it.

This certainly isn't to say that the girls Uncle Jack is playing with don't respect him. The fact is, he is operating at a completely different level than most of us, and in most cases with a very different type of girl. Between his residency, his wealth, and his age, he is much more playing the roll of sugar daddy than monger. No problem there, everyone has there own style. Me, I don't even like TLNs.

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[Malodr]

I am rotating about 5 chicas, paying between 30,000 to 100,000 and they get coming back and asking if they can bring friends. One amiga works in a disco for 25,000 a day so my additional 30,000 three days a week comes in real handy.

[Aussie Greg]

Who was the gringo that was shot in the passagers side driving down 33rd street this last week ? (4 bullets in his side but he lived, well he´s still alive)

His girlfrind was driving and she was killed, apparently they were after her!

A.G.

[Xion149]

I am setting up a trust fund to help the girls here in Medellin. The girls that I have been with will all be taken care of for the rest of their lives. My children, grandchildren and great grandchildren are a bunch of spoiled brats who deserve nothing. My last days on this earth have been filled with happiness by a group of prostitutes and a couple prepagos. It is quit remarkable that things unfolded how they have, but they have, and that is how it is.

I'm glad you filled the story in a bit, it makes a lot more sense in context!

My hat off to you, that's quite a piece of philanthropy.

[Aussie Greg]

I asked my girlfirnd Cata yesterday, when we go out with a group to Mangos or where ever with a group of our guests and there escorts so to speak!

(at time's we have large groups at Mango's and resturants) every body will think you are the same as the escorts si o no! She said to me si, claro, don't you feel a little uneasy, she said yes I do but I don't care, a am really with you and this is your job to take people/guests out for a good time, we have been together for a year and a half.

I also asked her, are there many girls living off older men at all these Universities, she told me, ¨you wouldn't believe how many¨ I said to her yes I do.

I would say that every man here in Medellin who has money and a wife and children has a mistress, or two, even my father inlaw's from both my girlfriends.

Generally, Paisa's look down on Gringo's (and even other Colombian's from other parts of Colombia) now even more so, before when I was first here no.

Anyway, thats my two cents worth.

A. G.

[Ken_Apples]

My best sexual memories have not been from the prettiest girls I have met, but more the kind of "girl next door" type with a extraordinary sexlust.

And even that I have never fucked a "true famous" celebrity fashiongirl, I can judge from their leaked sexvideos on the internet that the sex they provide is not on pair with what most males would call "hot sex".

However, I have had some really, really good sex with quite a few girls next door.

Bottomline: I'm in it for the fun sex. If you want surface, buy a fashion magazine.

Best regards / Ken Apples

I want to be like Uncle Jack when I get old! :)

Well, it's good to see that at least one person out there can verify what I've tried to say now and then. That there is a high-end with some really stunning women, and that most of these are off-limits to the turistas unless you're hanging out with the right Colombians and are not just around for a few days.

In any case, if the street scene or the low-end casas are your thing, by all means enjoy it. I'm not all that crazy about them, but I've had decent/interesting experiences at those places too.

Just don't expect Sofia Vergara or Andrea Rincon types to pop up. :)

[Wolfy Baby]

Is that ALL the women we deal with have to be treated with respect; this is especially important to bear in mind for visitors to country as potentially dangerous as Colombia. Doing so only enhances the experience for all parties involved. The inevitable sucess of a place like the Mansion does, unfortunately, have the side affect of drawing down some more unsavory, cheap-charlie types, who just a few years ago, would never have ventured beyond the relatively safe havens of the D. R. , or Costa Rica.

While I recently had a great visit renewing friendships with the Aussie and MDE Bob, as well as meeting new friends, my stomach would would turn as a particular 'monger' would proudly relate over breakfast how he would complain to a casa manager if a girl he just banged for an hour for 50k, had the temerity to ask him for a tip! Not to mention, never chipping in for the bill, but still hanging with the group at Mango's. I hope he recognizes himself here. "Ugly Americans" like him give us ALL a bad name.

[Phunluv]

I want to be like Uncle Jack when I get old! :)

Well, it's good to see that at least one person out there can verify what I've tried to say now and then. That there is a high-end with some really stunning women, and that most of these are off-limits to the turistas unless you're hanging out with the right Colombians and are not just around for a few days.

In any case, if the street scene or the low-end casas are your thing, by all means enjoy it. I'm not all that crazy about them, but I've had decent/interesting experiences at those places too.

Just don't expect Sofia Vergara or Andrea Rincon types to pop up. :)

[Admin]

What Uncle Jack is basically saying is that he wants us to leave the chicas to the rich like him because we can't or choose not to pay what he can.

Let someone with Bill Gates' money go down and tell Uncle Jack that he's a piker for not giving the girls what Bill can, and I'll bet he would make the same arguments as we do against what he is saying.

Some of the guys on this board don't even make $45k net and even if they wanted to pay what Uncle Jack suggests is appropriate, they wouldn't have the money to eat or even get home.

I am not attacking the man, only his elitist attitude and his attack on we papis pobres.

Not everyone can abandon his family, move to Colombia, and spend his life savings on Colombianas.

Hi George,

With all due respect, your arguments are complete bullshit.

First, Uncle Jack is employing a strategy that can only be employed by someone who is living in the country. It simply cannot be employed by visiting tourist mongers, and thus has no effect on their chica-chasing ambitions.

Second, Uncle Jack's strategy is targeted towards a demographic group of chicas that does not work in the traditional venues, and thus it has no effect on the chica prices in the venues typically frequented by visiting tourist mongers, and thus it also has no effect on their chica-chasing ambitions.

Thanks,

Jackson

[BeersTerry]

Isn't the point of the forum to share information?

Uncle Jack provides good info. So Jack is in a different snack bracket, why does that [CodeWord140] you off ? Does it make the info any less relevant?

As Sailor suggests, different strokes for different folks.

[Salsero Loco]

I agree with most of what Uncle Jack said, I only took exception to the following:

"But I assure you that 99. 999% of the University students are not going to be seen in public with a gringo. These girls are very aware of their class position and realize that most of the gringos in Medellin are poor low class scum in the United States. These girls only date Colombians, or in the rare case rich gringos that live in Medellin."

Maybe I am part of the .001 %, but I have had some serious Colombian girlfriends, one in particular I was with for three years, and she was a university student and worked on occassion for one of the big modeling agencies in the city, took part in Colombia Moda fashions shows, etc. I am not a rich man, but I do speak fluent spanish and treated her well.

I guess I take exception to the idea that beautiful Colombian women from the middle and upper classes will not date gringos. If you are not uncouth and treat them well, I think there are many beautiful Colombian girls from all classes who are obtainable and would make great girlfriends and even-- gulp!-- wives.

My two cents.

SL