Medellin Reports

[ColombiaLover]

I stopped seeing most 8 and 9's a while back, because I was not getting a great experience for the inflated price they wanted. Basically, I was paying to bang the body, the make-up and the surgeries. I am sure there are exceptions who perform decently with the right guy, but surely at a price. A price which some will pay and some won't if they believe they can get something better with a 6 or 7 (my situation, as I like girls next door, not plastics). I agree that high end girls are often difficult to nail down, as they get a lot of messages, they probably have several sugar daddies, and they just feel like their shit doesn't stink.

While most women do want to fuck, not all of them want to fuck you or me or feel good when fucking for money. Some do, some don't. And there are some women where sex is not important to them (I can think of at least one very well known prepago who does her best to avoid as much sex as she can. And prefer to drink and eat on the gringos dime).

I am glad you have gotten good service from 8's and 9's. I suspect you are in the minority on that one. Of course, your vision of an 8 or 9 might be different from mine, which has been well discussed here.

I would add that most 8's and 9's you find are, in fact, hardened pros. Which goes back to the non-GFE / too many rules / performance issues. How many 8's and 9's are mongers pursuing who are not prepagos / putas / escorts / semi-pros or whatever you want to call them? I agree that if you can find a try 8/9 who is not into sex for money and is not otherwise self-absorbed, you could have a good time. But I don't have that kind of time. I already spend a lot of time cultivating chicas on FB. With some girls, I have met them through cousins or friends and have had to wait years to have them (because of age). But it was worth the wait. Because they were pretty fresh. I am waiting for another who turns 18 in April. Cousin of a girl I was banging quite regularly 4-6 years ago.

You guys make a wrong assumption thinking that if she is a 9 her performance in bed will definitely suck. This assumption also makes you settle for less without even trying to hit on gorgeous girls. I have not had many 8's and 9's in my life, but I had a few, and never got an attitude or shitty performance from any of them, the best sex in my life, say top 5 in terms of performance, has always been with 8's and 9's. Just imagine, you are fucking a smoking hot girl and she is into you, and the sex is passionate and hot, and you are in heaven. This is what every monger should aim for. The real problem with 8's and 9's is not the performance (why would it be different? Hot or not, they are all human beings and love to fuck), the problem is as follows: 1. They are difficult to find. 2. Once you find them, it is difficult to grab their attention or to get a reply, if online. 3. Once they reply, it is hard to negotiate a price / terms. 4. The last one, it is hard to actually meet in person, because they flake or ghost you. But once you get to that point of meeting, her performance should not be an issue if you treat her right, have a good hygiene, etc. And if GFE is what you are looking for, don't go for escorts and hardened pros, otherwise you will have issues described in the recent post. This doesn't have to do anything with the looks, you could fuck an average looking Parque Lleras girl and get equally shitty service, I think we all have been there, done that. My point is that don't assume just because she is hot, you will get disappointed in bed, just don't bother with escorts.

[JjBee62]

I am talking about getting her attention over the other 1,999.

I've covered that in the past. My last trip I flew to Bogota. We were just passing Medellin just after sunset and I had a perfect view of the city, with the streetlights all lit and all the colors in the sky. I snapped a picture and posted it on Facebook. Over the next 2 days 59 Medellin girls liked it and about 25 messaged me, wanting to meet. That's without sending a message to anyone.

I could also just post a question like "Quien quiere visitarme en Poblado" (or Laureles, Envigado wherever) and have 50 to 100 messaging me. There are endless variations on the theme. Post something enticing on Facebook and watch the feeding frenzy begin.

Then you just weed through the ones who responded. And there's always the friend list. Send as many messages as you want. "Hola. Estoy en Medellin esta semana. Como estas? Quiero verte. " Send that to as many as you want. I expect and get about a 70% response rate. 10 messages, 7 dates.

In 15 minutes or less you can easily fill your calendar for the next week.

It gets even easier with repetition. Girls will hit you up wondering when you'll be back. Some will refer you to friends or even cousins and sisters. More girls will send a friend request. I don't even look for girls anymore. On rare occasions there will be one I really want to see, so I'll initiate a conversation. For the majority, I have plenty of regulars and plenty of girls who are contacting me.

If I went back to spend another year in Medellin, I could just see the girls who initiated the conversation with me, have 2 every day and never need to repeat with 1 or go searching for 1.

The great thing is, anyone can do the same thing.

[JjBee62]

In person meeting is different. I am talking about online dating where men get into asymmetry situation like 2000 to 1.

The same applies. I have several women who I met online and established something more than a simple P4P transaction.

[Mr Enternational]

To clarify, I am referring to this post.

I think you are talking about this.

I am talking about getting her attention over the other 1,999.

[Nounce]

Easy. The first message you should send is, "When can you meet me in Laureles?" If you are in town and ready, that 2000 to 1 goes quickly to about 15 to 1 with one message. Skip the pleasantries.

To clarify, I am referring to this post.

...When she has 2000 men all wanting to fuck her, negotiating a price is indeed difficult...

I think you are talking about this.

...When you have 2,000 women all wanting to see you, negotiating a price is simple....

[Mr Enternational]

In person meeting is different. I am talking about online dating where men get into asymmetry situation like 2000 to 1.

Easy. The first message you should send is, "When can you meet me in Laureles?" If you are in town and ready, that 2000 to 1 goes quickly to about 15 to 1 with one message. Skip the pleasantries.

[Nounce]

...Fortunately, there's another way. You can always get the top girls if you can talk with them...

In person meeting is different. I am talking about online dating where men get into asymmetry situation like 2000 to 1.

[Osteoknot]

I would've expect your Spanish to be great by now. If my French teacher was giving me BJs I would be fluent in French.

I wonder why? Jajajajajajaaaa.

[Osteoknot]

Once you're fluent the teacher and the blowjobs go away.

I am not connecting those dots in the same way.

[JjBee62]

I would've expect your Spanish to be great by now. If my French teacher was giving me BJs I would be fluent in French.

Once you're fluent the teacher and the blowjobs go away.

[Jimbox]

I was trying to be helpful but I could have gotten my facts wrong. I was there. I experienced it. My Spanish is good enough to comprehend it. I even asked the chicas I was with at the time if there were different prices on different days, because I did not think their answer made sense the first time and they said "no". Probably, I fucked up. Been known to happen, more than once or twice. I am a Truth Seeker so misinformation cuts me like a knife. Thanks for the help. Lesson learned.

I would've expect your Spanish to be great by now. If my French teacher was giving me BJs I would be fluent in French.

[JjBee62]

I already analyzed about situation like yours. You need to be cream of the crop to date cream of the crop. In reality, men likely are dating the lower tier relatively speaking in online dating situation. The reason you are getting it is because you are sharing it. I know someone who does not have problem getting what he wants. He has money but little time so he always line up several girls a day. His deal with girls involves luxury items and cash. When a girl can't make it, the girl introduce another smoking hot girl as replacement. He is not handsome but his generosity makes him the cream of the crop.

So I am wondering why Elvis wears a suit, now it all makes sense.

Have you been to Scandallo? Many think that place has enough 10's. All you have to do is willing to pay for it.

You don't necessarily have to be the best looking man to get the best looking girls. There are 3 paths to get the best looking women. If you have the money and are willing to spend it, you can buy your way to the top. If you don't have the money, but have the looks, you can get to the top.

Fortunately, there's another way. You can always get the top girls if you can talk with them. That means you need to be able to listen to them and to be interested in what they are saying. While most women will go for a man who has plenty of money, or who is great looking, what they really want is someone who they can really open up to.

I'm not sure if I've told this story here before. I think it started in 2000 and lasted to 2002. I started spending a lot of time at the best local strip club. I spent quite a bit of money, but I didn't spend enough to get the girls to come home with me.

One day there were only a few other customers in the club. One of the top dancers sat down at my table and we started talking. We had some mutual interests and I'm a good listener. She gave me her website address. She was hoping I would pay for some of the videos on her website. Instead I looked it over and looked for ways to make it better. The next time I saw her in the club, I asked questions and gave her some recommendations. From that point on, she always took time to sit and talk with me.

And all I did was talk and listen. I didn't try to get a date or anything else, just normal conversations. Before long other dancers were coming to sit with me. They couldn't figure out why one of the girls who made the most money would be sitting with me. Was I a drug dealer giving free samples? Was I rich? No. But I was a person they could sit with and feel comfortable. The funny thing, I was spending less money than I was spending before.

I ended up getting 5 dancers and 1 waitress in my bed. I went out with another 5 and 4 different dancers rented a room in my house.

[MarquisdeSade1]

After reading all these posts I think what we can agree on is attitude trumps looks by a good margin? I guess the question is how much can a great attitude make up for in the looks department. Don't know about you but doesn't matter how great the attitude is from a glue sniffing anorexic chica from el centro has, there is definitely a line all of us are not willing to cross. Interesting thought though, for my upcoming trip I'm going to make an effort to find the best positive attitude chica I can find regardless of what she looks like. As Mr Eternational says though its almost impossible to tell until you're both but naked in bed but there are some tell tail signs to look out for beforehand.

Touche'.

Yes that's what screening via a pre interview is for, I can see what I need in less than 30 seconds f2 f (it doesn't even need a common language) is my process infallible? Hell no.

Scammers will always find ways to feign being sweet, they know what I'm looking for.

But I will say its about 90% effective.

[Osteoknot]

The reason this circular argument about rating systems and beauty is going around and down and endless circular toilet drain with no end in sight is because you can't use logic and reason to describe a topic that is so emotional and subjective. They don't match, like oil and water, or trying to produce a fine art painting with a backhoe.

The attempt is pure and simple, self-validation which not surprisingly, is rampant on a Website with a bunch of fractured male egos hunting pussy. There is nothing inherently wrong or bad about self-validation other than it's totally unnecessary and a waste of time. So be it. Needing approval or even opinions of other persons about what you feel is attractive only stems from self-insecurity, and nothing else. Even if you find like-minded mongerers, it just means now you have a pack of insecure male egos in competition with each other. Ludicrous, but I doubt harmful to others, much.

Anecdotally, my friend said he went out to dinner in Poblado the other night with three high rollers. They were throwing 100 mil COP notes at people and things that cost one-third that. They kept presenting him with chicas they considered a 9 or 10. He said the highest he would have given any of them was a 3.

[JjBee62]

1. We are talking about smoking hot girls, not just "above average".

2. What girls you are talking about? Parque Lleras? El Centro? Sure, when you show up there, all eyes are on you (and your wallet).

3. When she has 2000 men all wanting to fuck her, negotiating a price is indeed difficult.

4. Why do they flake? Her regular just messaged her he is in town wanting to meet. Or a higher offer just came in. Her friend just offered a free photoshoot. Etc, etc, etc. Good looking girls get a lot of attention and benefits, and are very selective for that reason.

How do you define a success? Is merely getting laid a success for you? Sure, picking up El Centro girl for a quick fuck doesn't require much effort. All you need is a dick and 40 mil. For me, a success is when I get what I really want, the way I want (and that is not an average looking chica or lousy service). High effort, high reward.

1. I know. That's why I said I can easily find 20 above average girls in the time it takes to find an exceptional one. When I'm in Medellin I'm only there for 2 weeks. Usually I am trying to do a lot of things, in addition to getting laid. If I decided to only seek "smoking hot" girls, there's a reasonable chance I would need to give up some of my other interests, just to find a few girls. Then I risk getting ghosted.

2. "I get the attention of 15 girls a week by doing absolutely nothing." Walking around El Centro, or Parque Lleras involves doing something. The girls I'm talking about are mostly on Facebook, although some are on Twitter or Instagram. My pages are out there. Girls either find my page on their own, or one of their friends points them in my direction. These days, I don't do much of anything on social media, but I still get plenty of girls reaching out to me.

3. Yes. That's the point you made, about the difficulty of negotiating a price. Meanwhile, there are plenty of girls who are just a little bit below what you call smoking hot, who have very few guys, at any one time trying to set something up with them. I remember one, who might be considered by many to be smoking hot. A friend recommended her. We talked and she quoted 300 k. I responded with "Siempre pago 200 mil". She asked if I would also give her something for the taxi. 30 seconds or less to settle on the price. Another, recommended by the same friend, told me 150 k. She was smoking hot, body face and performance, but she hadn't been in the business long and wasn't marketing herself.

4. Why they flake doesn't matter. If I'm trying to get an Uber, why I can't get one doesn't help me. I'm not willing to walk 2 miles or wait for 2 hours. I'm going to find a ride from another source.

If we're talking about girls, there are 2 options. The first is to get her interested in you, instead of just relying on the money to get her interested. That has worked many times for me.

The other option is much easier. Just make an offer she can't refuse. If you're only interested in the top shelf girls, then all the difficulties can be handled by paying more.

How do I define success? To begin with, I don't pick up women in El Centro and I've never pulled a woman working in Parque Lleras. I probably would take a woman from Parque Lleras, but I don't really fish in that pond.

Success for me is quite simple. Am I satisfied with the outcome? I don't waste my time trying to decide where it ranks in my list of experiences. I don't bother with figuring out where the girl ranks in appearance to all the women I've been with. I've been fucking for over 40 years. It would be silly to decide that I'm only successful if the girl looks as good as some of the girls I was with in my mid 30's and the performance was equal or better than the ones I consider to be the best.

My philosophy is that I should set myself up to succeed, rather than set myself up to fail. I suppose, if you set yourself to fail and fail 10 times for each success, that success would be fantastic. However, if you set yourself up to succeed, every time is great and some times are fantastic.

That isn't limited to taking only average girls, or ugly girls. You can set yourself up for success with the best looking women and not have to worry about them flaking. In fact, if you approach it correctly, you can have the women you struggle to find now, trying to meet you. The downside is it's expensive, in time and money.