Lima

[World Travel 69]

I should have posted a new post in the Information Thread.

Wise advice! But why did you quote my writing (I do not mind, just I think implies a wrong reasoning)? Because I also short on money, just burn them once per year.

1. Tips for sexual services are customary in Peru. Local people today tip the girls (probably boys too, but have no idea).

2. I did not overpay. Really. Just read my reports. Expensive girls ($100-200 USD) All came from this ISG members introductions and I paid according to what was asked / agreed of me. If not JJ & J16 must comment. "Not so expensive girls" were paid according to local customs; maybe except my Ecuadorian $90 USD+tip, but even this was for 3 hours. Casa's prices (BTW, after you went to the second floor it is the door on the right) were for my dear locals: S\30 m:100\60 m:150\120 m:250 -- so S\250 for 2 hours -- I had 3 hours -- so the only "overpayment" can be considered the tip of $10 USD.

Could have I paid half of the price for half of the time? Probably, but I enjoy my time with girls, not just fucking time.

[Yuri B]

So, do not overpay.
It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money.

Wise advice! But why did you quote my writing (I do not mind, just I think implies a wrong reasoning)? Because I also short on money, just burn them once per year.

1. Tips for sexual services are customary in Peru. Local people today tip the girls (probably boys too, but have no idea).

2. I did not overpay. Really. Just read my reports. Expensive girls ($100-200 USD) All came from this ISG members introductions and I paid according to what was asked / agreed of me. If not JJ & J16 must comment. "Not so expensive girls" were paid according to local customs; maybe except my Ecuadorian $90 USD+tip, but even this was for 3 hours. Casa's prices (BTW, after you went to the second floor it is the door on the right) were for my dear locals: S\30 m:100\60 m:150\120 m:250 -- so S\250 for 2 hours -- I had 3 hours -- so the only "overpayment" can be considered the tip of $10 USD.

Could have I paid half of the price for half of the time? Probably, but I enjoy my time with girls, not just fucking time.

[Mr Enternational]

For you newbies and oldies, it is a good idea to find out how much a person makes in the country you want to visit.

A lot of countries do not tip. Because they do not have the extra money.

My girlfriend went apeshit last night because she lost (she swears somebody stole) 50 soles ($15). It is nothing to us, but to them it is a lot of money.

Another chick that I have been messing with a while I gave $100 to for her birthday to buy some new clothes. She went shopping and showed me all the shit she bought. I remember I used to go to Polvos Azules and buy those Polo shirts for $8. $150 could buy a person damn near 20 knockoff Polo shirts.

[World Travel 69]

For you newbies and oldies, it is a good idea to find out how much a person makes in the country you want to visit.

A lot of countries do not tip. Because they do not have the extra money.

So, here is Peru's monthly wages:

http://www.newperuvian.com/current-m...ars-and-soles/

So, do not overpay.

It hurts the locals and us that don't have lots of money.

I struggled with this too. I think the problem is not logical, but cultural. When for the first time I went to Japan tips were rarely expectable: no matter if this was a privately owned restaurant or a multi-chain. The same was true in hotels: they help you to bring your luggage, but when I gave them 300, they looked at it and at me with confusion. In US, tips are part of the culture. Even the minimum wage law is suspended for the service workers. Because they suppose to get "additional income" in the form as Tips.

Then there is a second point. How much of the compensation for service you would like to define as a consumer vs. As a vendor. In other words, what would be the better outcome for punishment "to get cross off your list" or to get no tip and provide the second chance? The price is determined before the service, no matter if you are high paid worker or low paid worker, would not you work harder if there is some open end to it? I am talking immediate ramification not a possibility of the further employment. But as I said, for me it is cultural: I like to see gratification in girls' eyes -- for me it worth extra 10%.

[Jack Jericho]

I will finally be arriving in Lima today. And, after much research, I'm very interested in checking out Las Cucardas. However, I had a couple questions for the Lima veterans.

I'm an American, and it's obvious. Tall and fair-skinned, without a lick of Spanish beyond the usual niceties. Given Las Cucardas' reputation over the years, is it a safe venue for a gringo like myself?

Lastly, I would like to learn more about their no-phone policy. I can understand not wanting phones inside. But, what are your options in case you bring your phone? Do they have lockers available where you can safely store your phone and other items? Do they simply 'hold' onto them, and you simply hope they'll be safe?

Having no real knowledge of Lima, I will be relying on my phone greatly for Uber, directions, and information.

As always, any insights would be greatly appreciated.

I visited El Botecito and El Trocadero with YuriB last week. I hadn't been there in ten years, I'm more into higher-priced lower-mileage girls, so I was curious. The place was not as sordid as I remembered and, providing elementary precautions, not really unsafe. Las Cucardas, being a more upscale place and located in a more centric location should be more than safe enough. The way I see it, the club is absolutely safe (huge security gorillas all around), getting there in a taxi is absolutely safe, getting there in public transportation should be safe enough. The, I wouldn't say more unsafe but more adventurous part of the journey, would be coming back from there. My advice, don't take the taxis waiting outside of the club, have your taxi wait for you or have the club's security personnel to get a 'safe' taxi for you. If you choose to use the public transportation (micro bus running from Plaza Union to Las Cucardas and back), just watch for pocket-pickers or grab-and-run petty thieves.

Regarding cellular phones: As I stated before, brothels are not my thing so I haven't been at Las Cucardas in a couple years but, asking fellow mongers who do frequent Las Cucardas, they confirm that cameras, cellular phones or even fancy pens (for fear of pen spy cams), are not allowed. What I've been advised to do is to leave wristwatch, fancy pens, cameras and phones in my car at the parking lot (not an option for a gringo arriving in a taxi). They do not have lockers; they will just take custody of your phone-and-stuff and give you a piece of paper with a number on it. Not the safest thing in the world. There's been complains of foul use of the phones (using them to make calls or to navigate in the internet or just to browse your messages, pics, etc.). How true the complains are? Who knows.

J. J.

[Yuri B]

Apparently I must correct the record with Discoteca Sabor Peruano Vip. I have a receipt for $69 USD, which I was going to dispute with my card. But. The record on my card shows $29 USD. If you take $29 USD and subtract S\20, it would turn out that I was charged the correct amount. Still, I had to notice this, complain, etc. Not a good thing, but not as bad as I thought to be a plain robbery.

[NycPov]

I will finally be arriving in Lima today. And, after much research, I'm very interested in checking out Las Cucardas. However, I had a couple questions for the Lima veterans.

I'm an American, and it's obvious. Tall and fair-skinned, without a lick of Spanish beyond the usual niceties. Given Las Cucardas' reputation over the years, is it a safe venue for a gringo like myself?

Lastly, I would like to learn more about their no-phone policy. I can understand not wanting phones inside. But, what are your options in case you bring your phone? Do they have lockers available where you can safely store your phone and other items? Do they simply 'hold' onto them, and you simply hope they'll be safe?

Having no real knowledge of Lima, I will be relying on my phone greatly for Uber, directions, and information.

As always, any insights would be greatly appreciated.

[Jack Jericho]

I happen to agree in that tipping is a cultural thing. Also that in the case of freelancer who charges any given amount for a given service, there should be no tip.

However, Americans introduced tipping in the P 4 P business here as part of the price, so some girls and some places are charging "Something+Tip" for their services now. When a tip is agreed before the service it becomes part of the price. For the girl it means that the final amount she will receives depends on the degree of satisfaction of the client.

I prefer the old ways myself. I'd rather have a fixed price and my degree of satisfaction to reflected in the return business.

[Mr Enternational]

What I am having trouble understanding is when dealing with a high price freelancer why is there a need for a tip? The girl it seems charges around $150 to $ 200. Us. We are not talking about low paid restaurant severs. When I pay these high prices I expect close to GFE service.

The most I have ever paid for a hooker was $75. And that was actually 2 hookers together at 4 x4 in Rio. If I was shelling out $150 to $200 then all stops better be pulled out. She better be cooking dinner, staying overnight, sucking toes, licking ass, and cooking breakfast. I used to talk to a teacher in Lima that made 500 soles ($150) for the whole damn month. That is the type of shit that runs through my mind when quoting these expensive fees in a third world country. Peru ain't England. Hell, one of those chicks in the window in Amsterdam told me 80 euro ($91).

I don't mind being called a cheap charlie. To me buying pussy is not that big of a deal to where I would pay a lot of money for it. Durable goods or a nice meal maybe. But I look at buying pussy like going to the convenience store for potato chips and soft drink. I have been through at least 2000 chicks (pros and nonpros). Definitely would not have those kind of numbers paying $150 for it. I would still be in the single digits!

P. S. A tip in Japan is considered an insult. You are the customer. Should she not be the one that is supposed to be seeing gratification in your eyes? I don't care about the gratification in a McDonald's worker's eyes when they hand me my burger. I am there to get what I paid for. But I guess it could be one's thing to see a hooker happy with them.

[Yuri B]

I have been at this for a long time. When I go to a casa I understand the girls only get a portion of the fee. I gladly gave a decent tip if the performance is OK.

What I am having trouble understanding is when dealing with a high price freelancer why is there a need for a tip? The girl it seems charges around $150 to $ 200. Us. We are not talking about low paid restaurant severs. When I pay these high prices I expect close to GFE service. If I get that then the girl gets a return visit. If the service is not that good she gets crossed off my list. So what I'm saying is the return business is her tip.

I struggled with this too. I think the problem is not logical, but cultural. When for the first time I went to Japan tips were rarely expectable: no matter if this was a privately owned restaurant or a multi-chain. The same was true in hotels: they help you to bring your luggage, but when I gave them 300, they looked at it and at me with confusion. In US, tips are part of the culture. Even the minimum wage law is suspended for the service workers. Because they suppose to get "additional income" in the form as Tips.

Then there is a second point. How much of the compensation for service you would like to define as a consumer vs. As a vendor. In other words, what would be the better outcome for punishment "to get cross off your list" or to get no tip and provide the second chance? The price is determined before the service, no matter if you are high paid worker or low paid worker, would not you work harder if there is some open end to it? I am talking immediate ramification not a possibility of the further employment. But as I said, for me it is cultural: I like to see gratification in girls' eyes -- for me it worth extra 10%.

[Kelso1]

Yuri-Lima-2019 Part 2.

Report II. Girls.

Frankfurt wrote, you dream like a prince but want to live like a peasant. and there is some truth in that saying. So I met with expensive girls ($100-200 USD) and not so expensive ($48 USD $90 USD) plus one under $10 USD in Trocadero under Jack-Jerichos supervision.

A) Expensive dates. I obtained all of them via ISG members.

Miss K (from Jack-Jericho) met me at airport. GFE all over. She met me like a friend, kissing gently leaning against, going to hotel. Heaven. Morning breakfast, left. Repeated at the last day. Seemed only fair. Had lunch with her, brought her to Larco Museum where we described if we did everything what ceramic figures did. $150 + tip damage each time. I would have left more tips, but JJ asked not to spoil her, so I did not, at least not with tips..

I have been at this for a long time. When I go to a casa I understand the girls only get a portion of the fee. I gladly gave a decent tip if the performance is OK.

What I am having trouble understanding is when dealing with a high price freelancer why is there a need for a tip? The girl it seems charges around $150 to $ 200. Us. We are not talking about low paid restaurant severs. When I pay these high prices I expect close to GFE service. If I get that then the girl gets a return visit. If the service is not that good she gets crossed off my list. So what I'm saying is the return business is her tip.

[Yuri B]

Yuri-Lima-2019 Part 2.

Report II. Girls.

Frankfurt wrote, you dream like a prince but want to live like a peasant. and there is some truth in that saying. So I met with expensive girls ($100-200 USD) and not so expensive ($48 USD $90 USD) plus one under $10 USD in Trocadero under Jack-Jerichos supervision.

A) Expensive dates. I obtained all of them via ISG members.

Miss K (from Jack-Jericho) met me at airport. GFE all over. She met me like a friend, kissing gently leaning against, going to hotel. Heaven. Morning breakfast, left. Repeated at the last day. Seemed only fair. Had lunch with her, brought her to Larco Museum where we described if we did everything what ceramic figures did. $150 + tip damage each time. I would have left more tips, but JJ asked not to spoil her, so I did not, at least not with tips.

Miss S and Miss K (from Jockey16 ) $110+tips (3+ hours instead of promised 90 minutes) and $200+tips (6+ hours instead of promised 4). We still "friends" with Miss K even though she knows I am not in Lima any more and nothing she can get from me. Warm feelings and good memories. We exchange messages on What's Up.

Michele (OMG the highlight of the trip) so classy: the way she walks, the way she talks, the way she dresses, the way she pretends to be 18 yo (she might be): she sent me ID card without names and pictures, so all I know is that there is some female in Lima of 18 yo, but, nevertheless, I forgave her everything. Wanted to repeat in my last day, but she had her What's Up not running. She is from Alvaro 30 over PM based on his post.. $150+tips, and yes, we had lunch. It was so cool to sit together at the table and see other men were looking at her.

B) Not so expensive dates.

I visited both places which are at distance of 1 block (less than 100 meters form each other). The order was important, because while casa had decent girls (there are solid 6 out of 10, one 21 yo can be considered to be 7), it provided no shower. Gym, on the other hand, provided shower but different types of girls LOL. So I first I visited girls (S\100 30 minutes, S\150 one hour, S\250 two hours plus 3 different upsells S\50 each: kisses on the mouth, massaging pussy, BBBJ) then ran to GYM to have a shower. Gym has enough equipment for exercises. It also has some lockers, but no locks. I left my backpack where I had my change of clothes at the front desk. I also took a soap and shampoo with me from my hotel as Gym offered none of such luxuries.

I used 1 walking working girl found in Ave Diagonal. Once hired the lack of Spanish was not a huge obstacle, but to actually make the deal was hard and unpleasant. In order to take easy on myself, I stopped asking for services required I was mortified in case I was talking to a nice girl who wanted to help a foreigner. And the poor foreigner start asking about the services. So I talked to 2 girls, hired 1, brought her to my hotel, and not really enjoyed my S\250.

A girl from Discoteca Sabor Peruano Vip: Pasaje Figari 155, Lima, Peru 3 hours $90 USD+ tip was another unfortunate endeavor. I came to the Discoteca arount 10:30 PM. There were not many customers and even less girls too early. And then this Ecuadorian woman of 23 came in and started dancing. I immediately liked her, but for 15 minutes had no idea how to invite her. My gestures, smile (which was answered), did not produce the result I wanted (she did nto come to my table). Then another girl came in and stroke the conversation with my Ecuadorian. Guys from the adjustment table talked to the waiter and the waiter invited the girl to their table. Now I knew, and without a single word, just with gesture did the same. Now I had my Ecuadorian. The fact that she agreed on the price quickly probably meant that I have poor negotiating skills. But at that time, I wanted to leave. I chose to pay with VISA (bad idea!) and they charged me $69 USD instead of S\69. When I complained they brought S\20 back to me and I realized that none of us wanted any trouble, so we left. But some guard was following us. I asked my Ecuadorian WTF, and she said that it is "for security" his job is to sit us into his taxi. After being already cheated, I said I will pick up taxi myself, but was told that it is his job to pick up "a safe taxi" for us. Then my patience ran out and I told my Ecuadorian, that either this gentlemen disappears now, or she will disappear with him. That did the trick, and the man left. She actually was pretty nice in bed. My mood was broken, but she behaved nicely. Nevertheless, that was my lowest point in Lima.

Finally, by pure luck one of the girls I dated (guess from all of the above) recommended her friend who was 18 yo. But in a very secretive matter. All I could do is to look at her ID (to make sure she was not underaged) and pay $90 USD Plus Tip (made it $100 USD even) but not to take her phone, pictures, etc. She was horrified and uncomfortable, which made me also uncomfortable. But the deed was still sweet and fantasy satisfied. Later the girl I dated before who referenced that sweetheart IMed on What's Up and asked again not to tell anyone. And not to tell that it was her who gave me that girl also. No English, and it was hard to understand in Spanish, but I felt like a trouble somewhere. I still can not place where the trouble could come from but chose (and choose) to respect that decision, so can not give her coordinates even if I had them. Maybe people on the board would know what the trouble could possibly be; I saw nothing, but felt it.

Finally: thank you all my friends, I had wonderful time and next year (assuming I am still able and Peru stays the same), I may try to repeat this. After PRC'e LE's enforcement and Thailand and Philippines are too far from my home, Peru became number one on my wish list. I hope to see all my friends and make new ones. Feel free to PM if I can be helpful. Next report in a year!

[Frankfurt]

Glad you had a good time Yuri -you know that old saying 'sometimes it takes a village'.

[Mr Enternational]

E) Uber is more expensive than Taxis. And Taxis do not have a meter. That requires constant direct negotiation where ever you go on a taxi. So when with a girl, we took taxis and she made unbelievable bargains; when on my own Uber!

Glad it worked out for you man. I usually pay a taxi 25 soles from Lince to the airport. Last time I decided to take an Uber. Before I got in the shower I checked the price. It was like 40 soles. When I got out the shower it was 54 soles. I walked downstairs to call another. 35 soles. He got there in 10 minutes. I told the guy to open the trunk. He said you going to the airport? I said yes. He said I am not going that way then drove off. WTF? I finally just ended up hailing a taxi for the normal 25 soles.

[Yuri B]

Time for the report in Lima. This year I spent one week enjoying Lima in many ways. In order to understand where I am coming from one needs to know: 1) I do not speak ANY Spanish, 2) Value GFE and beauty (how I perceive it: young, thin, no tattoos) more than the service, 3) enjoy treating ladies well (feeding, dancing, etc.) and learn about their lives.

Summary: If I can move back in time and get myself an advice: I would suggest to do every day the same: befriend a taxi driver who would bring me to Trocadero bordello EVERY night to 8 PM (not 7, not 9!) sample the talent (less than $10 USD per girl), agree with next day date for 6 hours: 12-6 for $100 USD + tips and enjoy every day (Bed, Lunch, Bed, dancing / museum / walking on the beach, etc, Final Bed)!

Report I. What surprised me in the order of importance:

A) The forum. NEVER was I used direct help from the forum members to the extent of physically meetings with me, organizing my meetings with girls, teaching me Spanish, driving around, calling / talking for me (remember I do not speak Spanish! Etc. This is unbelievable group of people going out of the way of what can be expected. Thank you, without you, I would never obtain the experience I did. FrankfurtThank you, if not for your report and help, I would never ended up in this wonderful place. I visited casa aka massage parlor twice (and learned that you like bigger girls than me) and gym every other day! For $4 USD instead of $40 USD anywhere in Miraflores.

SexyGirls taught me Spanish before I came. She called girls from different local ad sites to find 18 yo (my fantasy) who would be willing to show their IDs to verify that they are indeed 18 yo of age. SexyGirls called more than 20 numbers before we found some. I had 2 18 yo girls in that trip and it was so COOL! If any of you want to have your personal secretary for very little pay I highly recommend! PM SexyGirls directly, she is warm and understanding lady (she is also available for a date and friend introduction)!

Jack-Jericho shared his wonderful thin 25 year old Introduced me to Rustica in Calle Risso 147 at Lince which became my favorite: restaurant 1st floor (never been), discotheque 2nd floor where I danced with 1 girl, and Karaoke in the third floor where Miss K introduced by J16 sang to me (I almost came right there LOL!) ask him for recommendation and meet. And in the end of my term JJ drove me to Trocadero where I was first shocked around 7 PM that there were no doable ladies, and then at 8 PM how many beautiful thin girls were at many doors!

Last, but not least Jockey16 introduced me to "average next door" girls who are not pros, shy, but nevertheless, provided as much GFE as I could take. I met with 2 out of 4, but J16 took great care to replace and substitute and put plans in order to be executable. Please contact him if "innocently looking" and submissive is your cup of tea!

B) Every girl was predictably late 30 minutes, like clockwork which makes planning easy. Exactly the same justification: traffic. Fool me once -- shame on you, fool me twice -- shame on me. In the last days, I utilized that very easy to adjust and plan feature to my advantage.

C) Hotel oriented girls from web sites require to make a picture of the keys proving that they are staying in that hotel, and only then they would come. That lead me to never use them.

D) Reliable usage of credit cards. I was cheated in one place (will describe in the part 2), but all other times, I had not had problems.

E) Uber is more expensive than Taxis. And Taxis do not have a meter. That requires constant direct negotiation where ever you go on a taxi. So when with a girl, we took taxis and she made unbelievable bargains; when on my own Uber!