Caracas

[Eros74]

Hi guys, I started to get in interest about Venezuela,when I meet at my work a new workers from Caracas, I unfortunately worked with her only one day, but she was not very nice but also she gave me the feeling she was "quite" easy to date, even if she was married...

I will think about Argentina, I had to go there 1 years ago..

Why small scene there? I am curious too.

Luka

[World Travel 69]

I guess you did not look at www.argentinaprivate.com for places to go.
I have been three times and there is nothing small about it. Now Costa Rica I would say is small. Having been there three times also.

[Khun Larry]

Hello!

I across the ocean only one time for Recife,not good choice. In future I would like to try something else, I am thinking about Venezuela, Colombia or Argentina.

The girls in Argentina are indeed beautiful and if you are going to live there I would give it very high marks. I checked out the scene in Buenos Aires in February and found it very small, even smaller then Costa Rica which is very surprising for such a large city. I would not consider BSAS a major mongering destination.

[BayBoy]

Luksek -- I would definitely say go to Buenos Aires, Argentina. The women are so fine there, and yes they are mostly white skinned plus some latinas thrown in too. But the main thing is that Buenos Aires is a very safe city. I've walked around there late at nite and never had a problem. Columbia I've never been to, so I dont know the scene there.

Rabo Verde I'm down with you, Caracas is a shit hole and VERY dangerous. A couple of times when I was leaving Edificio Volta or Cazadores the security guard there warned me to be careful leaving the premises, that I might get robbed. The women are good looking in Caracas but they're not interested in p4p or are too stuck up to meet foreigners. Take care

[Eros74]

Hello!

I across the ocean only one time for Recife,not good choice. In future I would like to try something else, I am thinking about Venezuela, Colombia or Argentina.

I love white skin girls, my type is russian girl, and I do not want to go to dangerous city as it seems Caracas is, so how do you compare these 3 states about beauty of girls,easy level to score regulars and cost of holiday there as prices of pro,hotels?

Thanks in advance and nice weekend everywhere you are.

[Ricker]

RABO VERDE ...

Well actually, I have to agree with your assessment of Caracas ... most of it anyway.

I know Caracas pretty well also ... yes, wow, lots of beautiful chicas ... more per square inch than most places on the planet ... but yes, they sure can be a bit stuck up.

I've gotten lucky there meeting chicas that work in the malls ... Sambil or el Recreo ... also some chicas from the massage places I've ended up dating.

DANGEROUS ... definitely! I've had a couple run ins there ... would never walk around at night ... especially alone.

I've been to Caracas many times for work ... and I've had several girlfriends from there and have gone to visit them also ... but ... I wouldn't choose to go there now just for fun and chasing chicas ... especially with the political climate the way it is.
I've actually been turned down by hotel management to stay in their hotel because I'm from the USA ... politics.

HOT chicas ... but I have to agree ... wouldn't be my first choice to visit on vacation.

[Cyberdas]

Hey Rabo Verde, I feel you man..... I know that sometimes our experiences vary greatly from one place to another. The same applies to how those experiences occur to different people in the same places as well.

The main reason why I am responding to your post is because I should be arriving in CCS in less than 3 weeks from today and current/ updated information about the city interests me a lot. I have been through CCS en route to Puerto La Cruz (by land) and by plane (Simon Bolivar Int'l Airport) on my way to Colombia. However, I have not had the opportunity to stay and get to know the city at all This time, I am also heading to Puerto La Cruz and Margarita but I would like to spend a couple of days in CCS to do some sightseeing and to delight in the art of what we all brethren of this forum partake in while abroad

I agree with your assessments of Rio and Buenos Aires, however, categorizing Medellin and Cali with a 5 - I don't know. IMHO, Medellin deserves a higher rating than Cali because of its cosmopolitan lifestyle and its prettier, more modern women. Second, categorizing Medellin and Cali on a par with Tijuana (5 for all three) is a real disservice. Tijuana, although being my backyard for P4P (and thank God for that) comes by no means close to either Medellin or Cali - in all aspects, that is. The P4P scene in Tijuana is strictly on an assembly line/ mechanical/ non-GFE basis whereas in Medellin/ Cali one definitely finds better options in terms of beauty and experience.

Just my two cents worth with no intentions of starting a flame war here.

[Rabo Verde]

I have been to all of the Central and South American cities, and I speak fluent Spanish. Recently spent a week in Caracas, and I address this to anyone who has NOT been there and is trying to decide whether to go. There are, as noted a LOT of gorgeous slim dark girls around, BUT they are not very friendly, don't like to talk to strangers. Even if you speak Spanish and look decent, there are MANY other places you can do better.

Overall sterotype/generalization: Caracas is dirty, crowded, smoggy, not very interesting, not many good restaurants, ful of pushy obnoxious people, and very dangerous. As soon as I left my hotel, sinister people started shadowing me, and EVERY taxi driver, doorman, etc. told me I was risking my life by taking a walk at night, even in a well-lit area.

Now I am sure that someone is going to respond that Caracas is the most wonderful safest city on the planet, etc., but let me tell you my subjective YMMV opinion: SHITHOLE! For the same price I could have gone to Rio or Buenos Aires, etc., where the food, girls, people, traffic, value, beach (Rio, Dominican Republic), nightlife (Rio or Buenos Aires) is MUCH better. Here is my subjective ranking of major destinations, based on friendliness, pricing, value, food, scenery, and "other things to do and see":

Rio 10, Buenos Aires 9, Costa Rica 7, Panama City 7, Dominican Republic (if you like it dark) 6, Medellin/Cali 5, Tijuana 5, Lima 4, Caracas 1,
Let the flames begin! LOL

[RickMe]

I'll be there for four days. Anyone around that wants to hang out and explore?

[Johnny699]

see here:

http://www.mintra.gov.ve/salario/sal...nimo_2006.html

i didn't invent this numbers myself it came from ilo-international labour office and for venezuela they wrote 171, 550veb per month in year (2000) but i coreted whith more resent informtion from people saying 180, 000 - 240, 000veb.

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and i am not a sheepskate i just don't like to pay 10 times more than i have to. anyway i am happy to hear the salary was higher and prices lower (thanks be there) by the way have you heard the minimum wage from reliable sourses or many people?

[Speedy Gonzales]

thank you for corekting me -be there-

You told me exactly what me and my nervs neded to hear.

The salarys I wrote about where not minimum wage.

It was male ewerage bricklayer/carpenter salarys.

I didn't invent this numbers myself it came from ilo-International Labour Office and for venezuela they wrote 171, 550veb per month in year (2000) but I coreted whith more resent informtion from people saying 180, 000 - 240, 000veb.

You say 690, 000 for minimum wage so I gues a bricklayer/carpenter have even higher salary than 690, 000 thats a big change from 6 years ago maby 400%. The usa informtion was to old to be acurate (1997) so I adjsed that whith other info on internet.

Pleas tell me what the real salary wod be in usa

As for the p2p in venezuela I calculated on150usd for girl and 50usd for exit =200usd=429, 000veb for topprange like morrison or angeous (forum info) for lowrange it was newspaper-freelansers 180, 000 - 250, 000veb.

I am an expeiend traweller but I never ben in us or venesuela but I never claimd to know more than ilo or forums wrote.

My reasons for reakting so strong is beacause I am sick and tierd of being overcharged for my collor or nationality, I woud newer do that to tourists in my country.

And I am not a sheepskate I just don't like to pay 10 times more than I have to. Anyway I am happy to hear the salary was higher and prices lower (thanks be there) by the way have you heard the minimum wage from reliable sourses or many people?

[Be There]

speedy, i think you are not comparing apples to apples here. for starters, the venezuelan minimum wage is bs 460,000 plus obligatory incidentals like vacation, prestaciones, aguinaldos, etc. which add another 50% so in reality you are looking at around bs. 690,000 or usd 300 and change. second, you are not comparing this minimum wage to other countries minimum, rather the average wage. i don't know about other countries but the us minimum is not usd 3000 per month. third, don't confuse the top rate with the average. as a foreigner in venezuela you probably paid top rate. in other countries you are probably paying more standard market prices. here in venezuela the standard prices range from bs 30,000 at volta to bs 120,000 at massage parlors with around 80,000 - 100,000 being a good average for top flight massage parlors. notice i am not including the houses for working joes in non touristy parts and the interior where going rates of 15,000 to 20,000 bs can still be found. using these latter numbers gives you a ratio of 20:690 or 1:35, more in line with your international benchmarks. but above all, forget the money, enjoy!
be safe,
be there

[Speedy Gonzales]

many people here think that the price for paygirls in venezuela is to high, and I totaly agre with u.

Some people say that it is still ok because it is less than back home (there wrong). The onley fair way to compare is to look at the normal salary in the country bacause salarys and livingcosts always goes hand in hand (exept p4p girls in venezuela)

So I spent lots of time to make this list of salarys and p4p prices for you.

The everage salarys is for bricklayer/carpenter in each kountry.

The p4p prises are low mediumprices and 1 hour.

The % is based on the salarys.

The curency is for each country

..........................................................................
country------salary-----p4p------%of salary
,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,
germany......2,400.........72............=3%
australia......4,095.........160..........=4%
japan..........298,540......13,000.....=4,5%
usa.............3,222.........160.........=5%
uk..............1,629.........150......... =9%
thailand.......7,000.........700.........=10%
philipines......7,000.........700........=10%
venezuela....200,0000....200,000...=100%
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1. If Venezuelan girls charged 3% (same as German) it woud be 6, 000veb. How come the Vnezuelan girls charge 33 times more than German?

2. If American girls charge the same as Venezuelan girls it wod be 3,222 usd.
Would you pay that?

3. A carpenter charge 1,250veb per hour and pay tax on that. A ho charge 200,000veb per hour and no tax.

4. If a skilld worker make the same money in 160 hours as a ho in 1 hour something wrong.

5. If a ho works 1 hour evry 4 day she makes 1 year's salry in 1 month, and 12 years salary in one year.

6. I don't understand why theres any girls in skool or college as a ho they make more money than lawyers and doctors.

7. Yes my friends, this means they are richer than you and me. They can by more things and luxury for their salary in ther country than you can in your country for your salary (unles you're BillGgates

8. The escort and clubgirls have to splitt the money but freelancers keap 100% but they all charge about the same eaven the ugly ones.

9. An honest question who is f-cking who?

10. We all know why the prise is to high (owerpaying and tipping) and we all know what to do to keep the price on a normal level -REMEMBER ITS A TEAM EFFORT-

11. If you feel sorry for the girls and want to do somthing for them do somthing that some guys forget, treat them nice. That way they think better of you than if you just hand them shittloads of cach.

12 .If you like to give your money away give it to the poor carpenters.

13 .The salary statistic is taken fromInternational Labour Office <http://www.ilo.org> the p4p prises taken from this and other forums and own experience.

14. The salarys and pices may vary from state/province in the same country but i wont be much differense.

I hope this was helpfull to you.

Please let me know what you think of this.

[Be There]

Went back to one of my old haunts, previously reported, Edf Yetauso, spelling not so sure, PH B on Ave Libertador, about 50 mts west of Hotel Crillon on the north side of the avenue. Only one girl available, around forty years old, rate her a five at most, Bs 90K after negotiations. One hour and not so great. Place has gone down as has the rest of this country.
Be safe,
Be there
returning after a six month absence

[Holden Caulfield]

Nothing ground breaking to report. I checked out at couple of strip clubs that are already well reported on here. Everything is as described.

I just needed to add that even though this city is not exactly to my taste there are some unbelievable looking chicas here. The average is probably higher than the average anywhere else I know of. And they are everywhere. If a lot of the mainland is like this, I can understand why some really go for Venezuela. You get more horny at the mall than at a titty bar in many places.