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[Dickhead]

I have a friend who just got an Argentinean passport and I don't think it cost him $7 k. More like $3 or $4 k. But it was a looooong process. Plus, I think he had to go to the US at least once, and that was probably not included in the cost because he would have gone there at some point to visit family, or some such. He's the only North American I know who has two passports and did not have dual citizenship from birth. Also, the cost was probably lower because he was already living there. He had time to find the right lawyer, and so forth.

I can tell you that if you have provable retirement income, you can get permanent residency in quite a few places, but citizenship and passport is a lot tougher. There is a path to it in México, for example, that involves permanent residency first. I think that takes ten years.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Why would anyone want one of those? And especially for that amount of money.

$7000 is very inexpensive if you can just thrown down $7000 and get what you want. My fear is that it would cost a lot more. It would be nice though to hear from someone who knows if someone has succeeded in obtaining a Dominican passport for this amount in this time frame. If someone has obtained a second passport somewhere else for less of course that would be even better.

[Dickhead]

I'd pay $7 k for a second passport in a heartbeat. One use that comes to mind right away would be to avoid the 90 day limit for staying in the EU. Although, maybe they have you filed by date of birth or something and that would not work. Or if you get caught working and get deported. Or if Trump gets elected. Or if you get on the no-fly list. Or, for example, if the second passport was Mercosur or EU, to give you the option to live permanently in multiple countries (I know that a Mercosur passport doesn't legally convey that right, but as a practical matter you would be able to make multiple entries without worrying about it).

I'm sure it wouldn't be as much of a bargain as the paraguayan driver's license I got for $100, but I'd do it.

[Mr Enternational]

Hi, just wondering if anyone here has obtained a second passport from the DR. I heard it is possible to get one in the DR, within 2-3 years, for around $7000.

Why would anyone want one of those? And especially for that amount of money.

[Crazy Jim Wood]

Hi, just wondering if anyone here has obtained a second passport from the DR. I heard it is possible to get one in the DR, within 2-3 years, for around $7000. I am sure there are better countries (like Panama) for a second passport, but I think Panama takes more like 6-7 years, or some country like St Kitts if you have $200,000 but I am in a position where I have $7000 and 3 years and am just wondering if anyone has done this and cares to PM me with some advice on how to do it? Thanks.

[Robby Burns]

Hello to all,

I don't know where to search the Forum to find previous recommendations.

My local dentist wants $1750 to remove a crown and fix a cavity that he "thinks" is under the crown.

I am seeing websites for dentists in the DR that advertise crowns for the price of $225-$300. A lot less than $1750.

In addition--if I go to the DR to get the crown replaced--there will be the added bonus of being able to see 3 different chicas I have been writing to.

One is in Santo Domingo and the other 2 are in Santiago.

I know I am supposed to RTFF, but I don't know which section of the Forum I am supposed to read.

Any recommendations will be greatly appreciated. Either steering me to the correct section of the Forum, or steering me to a "USA-quality level" dentist.

Should I duplicate this post in the Santo Domingo and Santiago sections, too?

[OldKool]

Most guys on the forum are either sport fuckers or GFE guys. I am split right down the middle. On my resent trip I did 8 chicas in 4 night. I had a great time. Everything from a 31 year old pro who was a 9 in looks and a 10 in the bed. She was like a porn star. I also did a 18 year old just because. Sosua provided access to all my fantacys. I was watching ballers on HBO. I was partying like a baller. On the other hand I had girls on my phone anxious to hook up and give quality loving. However sometime you have to wild out.

[Camaro1257]

Here is the wrong premise: Other places have other values and gun ownership. In Japan, cops go around in the neighborhood without a weapon and, so does (or did?) an English Bobby and those places are much more civilized by all indicators. A German drunkard's perception of Polizei is shaped differently, thus rendering your plan as to "how I would do it" less effective if not potentially irrelevant.

My primary purpose for sharing what I witnessed was to inform our members of an incident that involved the Polica Nacional. IMHO if you are aware of the possible conduct of a group of people it can aide you in developing tactics and strategies that best suit you dealing with the same group of people. Some who read this thread either frequent the Dominican Republic and others live in the Dominican Republic; therefore the conduct of the Policia Nacional is relevant. Why someone would think that an intoxicated person who has threatened bodily harm and assaulted people should not have been arrested when the means were available to do so is beyond me but those who hold that opinion are entitled to it.

[Wrx2005]

You believe is that the individual in question did nothing wrong and in this case the PN took the correct action by doing nothing. Is that your position on the issue?

I want to make sure I understand you since English is your second language. As an intelligent person I thought you would be able to see that the actions of individual police officers in the United States of America (which is an entirely different country and taking place under entirely different circumstances) have no bearing on if the PN officers discharged their duties in a professional manner in this particular case. I would hope that if an individual who is drunk and acting in a belligerent manner put his hands on me in the presence of PN police officers they would restrain, detain and remove the individual so I could continue my dinner in peace. If you put your hands on me (wearing a glove or not) that's assault!

SubCmdr, before you get knee deep being side tracked to respond to more nonsensical jibberish, did it ever occur to you identify exactly what the hell the other guy is talking about? What context is he claiming something in the US is deeply troubled? And what does he mean by failed tactics? What tactics? I mean at least tie the shit together so it makes sense.

He's making an argument out of bits and pieces without attaching it to any meaningful conclusion. What he's trying to assert, is that in the US certain things (whatever the hell that is) hasnt worked there, so why attempt to try them in the DR. Sort of like a hasty generalization. Like only the negative examples of problems that happened with police in the states, are supposed to represent a likely outcome in the DR. Insert rolleyes icon here.

[SubCmdr]

You believe is that the individual in question did nothing wrong and in this case the PN took the correct action by doing nothing. Is that your position on the issue?

I want to make sure I understand you since English is your second language. As an intelligent person I thought you would be able to see that the actions of individual police officers in the United States of America (which is an entirely different country and taking place under entirely different circumstances) have no bearing on if the PN officers discharged their duties in a professional manner in this particular case. I would hope that if an individual who is drunk and acting in a belligerent manner put his hands on me in the presence of PN police officers they would restrain, detain and remove the individual so I could continue my dinner in peace. If you put your hands on me (wearing a glove or not) that's assault!

So here is a pointer in case you missed it: When someone claims his / her long experience matured in a place which is manifestly deeply troubled and is indeed questioning that kind of policing, you would, as an intelligent person, be questioning the applicability of that same old 'failed tactic" somewhere else. The same glove may not fit all sorts of hands, despite all hands having five fingers.

[Tempoecorto]

But, I'm still trying to figure out how the inaction of the police in the Dominican Republic that Mr. Camaro described are somehow being related and compared to the actions of the officers of various police departments in the United States of America.

So here is a pointer in case you missed it: When someone claims his / her long experience matured in a place which is manifestly deeply troubled and is indeed questioning that kind of policing, you would, as an intelligent person, be questioning the applicability of that same old 'failed tactic" somewhere else. The same glove may not fit all sorts of hands, despite all hands having five fingers.

[Wrx2005]

Even without the aforementioned tools the officers could have called for sufficient officers to help them make the arrest but neglected to do so. It was my recommendation to the owner that he file a formal complaint against the officers who responded so that they can be held accountable for their actions.

I enjoy living in the Dominican Republic but I seriously hope I am never in a situation where I need the police.

A kid on a moto crashed into my car. He was in pain from the impact, and had scraps on his knee. Instead of taking the kid to the hospital / clinic, they put him in my car and told me to drive to AMET police station. He had to be assisted into my car. It was me that called the Colonel from the Fire Station in Charimicos. I told him what happened and told him that the boy needs to be checked out. Thats when he called his ambulance squad to come to Amet to pick him up. It never occured to them, to have the kid examined to make sure there wasnt any internal injuries. So yes. I have seen blatant incompetence from police 1st hand.

[Wrx2005]

The officers neglected their duty by not arresting an individual who made threats and was molesting patrons of the restaurant. After the police left the scene without taking any action this individual assaulted a security guard who could have shot and killed him; had that happened the officers in question would be culpable. We can agree to disagree.

Before somebody tells me they disagree with me, 1st I need to know how they interpreted what I said that they CLAIM to disagree with. You got no such feedback. So I wouldn't worry about that. From what I saw, his behavior, his assaults and threats warranted an arrest. Or at the very least an escort away from the property. From what I saw, the PN left security up to Bourbon St. And since they had their own security (armed), perhaps they figured they could keep him out of the restaurant.

Were accustomed to a totally different handling of matters if local police are called to a scene as we had witnessed. But I will say this. I believe an arrest would or could have been made, but it depended on who the individual was, who he was with or looking after him.

[Wrx2005]

July 6, 2016 I witnessed police incompetence in Sosua.

I haven't been spending as much time in Sosua as I used to but on this occasion I witnessed something very disturbing. I was having lunch with friends at the Bourbon Street restaurant on Pedro Clisante in Sosua when I saw a commotion in front of the restaurant.

Apparently the following events occurred, a German gentleman was sitting in front of Bourbon Street and one of the street touts offered to charge his cell phone using one of the Bourbon Streets outlets but the owner refused not knowing who the cell phone belonged to and not wanting responsibility should something happen to it. Apparently the tout left with the phone without the German gentleman's permission.

As you know I was there that day, and also witnessed the incident. I was sitting two tables from the German. I thought the police were incompetent as well in how they handled that drunk patron.

A few extra details. When I talked to one of the owners, he claimed they called the Politur police. He didn't mention that they called the PN. He said they called the Politur police several times, and if you recall, none showed up. From where I was sitting, two PN officers were passing by Bourbon St rest. They did not look like they were responding to a call to come to the rest. If they did they would have simply parked in front of the Rest. They werent even looking in the direction of the rest when they were passing by. I was looking right at them, wondering why they werent coming to the rest. That security guard that had the altercation with the German, is one of the individuals that spotted them, called out to them, and they eventually stopped and came over to see what the problem was.

The rest that you reported happened as you stated. I was shocked that after all of his behavior, and drunkenness that the PN didn't arrest him, or at least force him to leave the premises. I was also shocked that the owner I talked to did not engage with the police to express his concerns of not wanting that guy anywhere near his restaurant. But he didn't get involved. I asked him why didn't the police remove the guy from your place. He said he didn't know.

The kid / tout that took the phone, actually said something to the German before he left with the phone. Probably that he will go charge it and be back. But because he was so drunk, he either wasnt paying attention to what the kid was doing or he didn't understand him, or both.

After all the PN left, the German guy remained in front of the restaurant, and continued to make a scene, and talking shit. At one point he balled up one of the table cloths and threw it at one of the waitresses. He also attempted again to enter the restaurant, and that's when the security guard stepped in his way to prevent his entry. Some contact was made, and each tried to hit or push the other. I guess the security guard got very upset and pulled out his gun. Briefly the German dude backed up with some assistance from his buddles. But within a few minutes he was back in front taunting the security guard. Eventually the German was escorted across the street, and he got in a car with his friends and left. Shortly after, the kid / tout showed up with the phone, presumably charged up. By then the German was gone. One of the plainclothes PN forcibly escorted the kid to the police station, like he was a criminal.

But nothing was done to the drunk unruly patron at the restaurant? I agree with your observation.

Something did occur to me though. Maybe theres a reason why the Politur police never came. And if not for the 2 PN on a motorbike there wouldn't have been any LE at the scene either. Kinda reminds me of how some volunteer Fire depts work in SOME rural communities. If you own property and refuse to contribute to the firefighters requests for money/food etc, they just might fail to respond to an emergeny or let your property burn down before they put the fire out.

Maybe the owners of Bourbon St on PC arent connected or in with the PN or the Politur police. I see police going to the German restaurant to get food, or have a beverage, and hang there for a few minutes. But I havent yet seen any come to Bourbon Street, or socialize with the owners or staff. Doesnt mean it doesnt happen, just that I havent seen any connection with police and B street

[Frannie]

A 'civilized state' with a small 's'. So, that would make it a state of mind. Police Departments in States in USA are local and independent (in theory and actuality for the most part), so if you actually meant civilized State, that's awfully broad for your blanket statement.

Actually, Golfinho, state is not a proper noun unless it is used in a name. So, for example, Florida is a state that is home to Florida State University.

Anyway, thanks for your interest in our language and Tempoecorto's mental state. He like you is not a native speaker, but his English is pretty good.