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[OldKool]

Camaro and WRX will see a broad spectrum of women. Guys on this forum are focused on P4 P girls by enlarge and occassional non pro who needs some help living.

Dominican female professionals make barely enough to get by. Economics is survival for DR chicas. When an American meets a DR female she is sizing him up because he brings a chance to solve her wows. There are DR females who have great pride and character but are still are looking for a guy with deep pockets. Each chica you meet has her own idea of what she is willing to do. Many will take gifts instead of money so they do not have feel like a puta. DR putas come in a wide range some are somewhat sweet while others are hard as nails, You have to play each one by ear. IMO.

[Mr Enternational]

First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.

The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?

This is something I have been saying for years, but to other board members I am bragging or cheating women out of something or lying to them about something. I have no problem paying a hooker for work, but every woman is not a hooker. Why should I pay a woman that is not a hooker? Some say because she has less than me. What the fuck does that have to do with anything? And nobody has ever answered what if it is a woman that has more than me? Do I still need to give her money? Does she need to give me money? I do not understand why some people do not believe that sometimes people are just two adults doing what adults do and neither party is looking for financial gain.

Last year here in Thailand I met a chick at the market. That same night she came and spent the night with me. The next day when I dropped her home I slid her $30. She looked at me crazy and said what is this for? I felt like a total jackazz and had to make up a bullshit story about it being for her and her friend to get some lunch. Hell, lunch only costs $2 at the most around this mf.

One morning she left my place and when she got home she sent me messages saying that on the way out a White guy that lives in the building started talking to her and said that guy has a different girl over everyday. She said she told him as well he should because he is a handsome guy. Over a year later and that chick still has not asked me for a gd thing.

A couple of months after I met her her dad was in the hospital. She went home and had to pay $3000 for his stay. (Must have been a private hospital because public ones only cost $1) I posted on Thai Visa about it and some guys actually argued that I should have paid the $3000 hospital bill for a grown ass man that I do not even know simply because I am fucking his daughter. I am just totally baffled by some guys' thinking. It is not hard to see why many get bamboozled and taken advantage of.

[Wrx2005]

Should I pay or not pay? (My anecdotal experiences).

We talk about what we pay ad-nauseum but seriously this thing can be complicated. I realize my experience is different from some others and I do not wish to debate simply to share. First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.

The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. Sometimes it's implicit by the vibe she wants something sometimes she says she doesn't but she does. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?

Recently I have told a few of my regulars I wasn't giving them any more money and they fell off the radar and a couple kept coming. The ones that kept coming of course I gave them something because obviously they need the money more than I but I was just testing them and I wanted to thin the roster anyway.

It's only been a few times but there are those who make it clear they DO NOT want my money. Unless a chic is clearly PFP like when I am in Sosua I just play it by ear walking on egg shells because I do not want to loose what could be a good opportunity going forward.

Basically I seldom trust what women say, and the impressions they are trying to make me believe. I pay more attention to their underlying motivation. And how they behave. IMO I think the offense enough women put on when it comes to the exchange of money or talking about money, is contrived. A show.

Done just to make an impression. In fact, I will go on record to say, I think many folks in the DR thrive on and / or accept deception and misrepresentation of themselves as a necessary evil in getting by in life. I'm not impressed by women acting offended. Nor feel a sense of loss if they bounce. If they are grown ass women then they should know, that as a man, a man generally looks out for their welfare. Thats what men generally do. If she is offended then she probably has some other insecurity shit going on in her head. And perhaps, is too self absorbed to get the point that that man may be trying to help a woman avoid having to ask for help/compensation.

If a woman bounces just because she is offered money or a man talked about money, she might be doing him a favor. Mainly because he probably already invested time and money entertaining her ass. Her bouncing means she avoids reciprocating investing her own resources on his behalf. How convenient.

Of course something can be said for timing and tack on the mans part. A man doesn't have to give a woman money, especially upon departing from her. He can choose a time when it is appropriate or simply feel the situation out. Aint nothing wrong with letting a woman speak up and state her concerns. I think the issue also is about guys being secure enough to let a woman speak up for herself and not be concerned about her thinking less of him just because he did not initiate offering 1st.

Once again putting the onus of responsibility back on the local. That way there is no complications, no worries, no feelings of not being manly or whatever way we process the issue. Let them speak up, and say what they want or don't want. From that, I will make the decision on what I am willing to provide in relation to what I'm getting out of it.

The other point to grasp, is that very often we as men are thrown off because of the impression women try to make, which may not be what they really represent inside. We have nothing to lose by accepting the front they put forth, acting and treating them by what they represent. If anybody is to blame for a man not getting it right, it will be on the woman. Because if she really wanted or needed a man to respond accordingly, then she should have represented and communicated that. We aint no damn mind readers. No need to walk on eggshells because women dont want to represent or truthfully express what they really want/need from us. Make em accountable is what I say.

[Camaro1257]

Should I pay or not pay? (My anecdotal experiences).

We talk about what we pay ad-nauseum but seriously this thing can be complicated. I realize my experience is different from some others and I do not wish to debate simply to share. First of all it is wrong to assume all these women are hoes looking for money. Some chics are offended at the exchange of money, in fact you cannot talk about money without the risk of loosing them.

The majority of the chics I have been with I have given them something before departing but a small (VERY SMALL) minority I have not. Sometimes it's implicit by the vibe she wants something sometimes she says she doesn't but she does. I know this sounds CRAZY but a couple of times I have given women money and they looked at me like WTF is this?

Recently I have told a few of my regulars I wasn't giving them any more money and they fell off the radar and a couple kept coming. The ones that kept coming of course I gave them something because obviously they need the money more than I but I was just testing them and I wanted to thin the roster anyway.

It's only been a few times but there are those who make it clear they DO NOT want my money. Unless a chic is clearly PFP like when I am in Sosua I just play it by ear walking on egg shells because I do not want to loose what could be a good opportunity going forward.

[Wrx2005]

I should think a person's level of consideration for others would be set into their personalitiy long before they set foot in Sosua. However, you really cannot let your happiness on vacation be determined by such things. If the stood-up guy knew the buddy well and considered him to be a a really reliable person, he would perhaps have been checking the local hospitals or police station to see if his friend had an accident, but I suspect he had no such worries at all and knew or suspected that he was a weak character who could not always be relied upon.

The stood up guy realized in that moment his buddies perspective on what can happen if plans are made and a chica comes along. Since I just met them both, now I know what to expect from that guy too. I probably will never make plans to hang out with him knowing how he operates.

[Wrx2005]

I disagree Sir, we aren't talking about some millionaire Diva who is used to being waited on hand and foot trying to pull rank. You living there should understand they don't live by American standards, its a laid-back, take it easy, don't worry about it attitude that is prevalent through most unAmericanized Caribbean islands.

Latin women in general don't care about time, they care about looking good and presenting a good package. Foreign men don't understand this takes time and it might extend the meet time. Ever seen a Latina show up on time looking rushed? You won't. Ever seen a Latina show up late looking exceptional? That{s the norm. When you are dealing with putas who only want want fast cash and don't care about washing their pussies or wearing the same clothes as yesterday, maybe then they will be on time.

Its a Latin thing, its a Caribbean thing so understand it because its no big deal. Now, you have guys saying its okay to have five of these girls on call for the same date but that's fucked up because four girls have taken the time to look beautiful for you and you have screwed them over. Its basically someone expecting them to understand American traditions but you are in their country and don't want to understand their traditions. Dominican women only understand American traditions if you are going to buy them a big house and car, they don't understand being on time in their country and never will.

Feedback. Time management is not necessarily an American standard, nor is being late necessarily a Caribbean standard. Time management is a personal choice. And as I read further along, I read Mr E's piece basically debunking what should be obvious.

How is it, that in all of these Caribbean countries they all have this lateness thing in common (mainly in regard to women) , but when it comes to having a job, having to meet deadlines, get somewhere before it closes, fill out forms or they miss out on something, anything you can think of they DEEM IMPORTANT, their habits, traditions, "it's just the way it is", "I'm late because I'm trying to look beautiful for you" etc. Now all of a sudden these folks in all of these nations have the ability to exercise the ability to be on time for something they value or something they do not want to miss out on. What happened to their Caribbean traditions supposedly governing their behavior?

Point being. People no matter where they come from, make choices on how they manage their time, and the value they place on people, places and things. A person doesn't have any less ability to be somewhere on time for a social engagement, than from conducting important business. It's all about the individual and how they choose to manage their time. The key here, is some people are self governed, while others are driven by fear or concern. In essence pressure motivated. That applies within American culture as well as Caribbean culture. So it's up to the individual of which stimuli or INCENTIVE they respond to. It's all about what's at stake.

It's obvious to me, that if guys accept lateness on a social level, they are going to continue getting the same treatment. Expecting someone to be on time, as I've concluded, is not a standard owned by Americans or foreigners. It's simply a choice. You give someone within a social context reason or concern of being on time, a change of behavior may emerge. Having no such reason, concern or incentive in place, then you see whatever they are accustomed to. As I said earlier. My interest isn't in directly trying to change anybody. I just show them by my actions how I handle my time management. It allows me to be free of frustration, anger, resentment and taking their lateness personally. What they choose to do with how I handle it, is their choice. I welcome positive changes if they occur.

The key is, anybody can understand traditions where they visit. It shouldn't be assumed or concluded that foreigners collectively do not understand others traditions. Because if we are going to go there, we can say the same for the locals we relate to as well. The ones who value and rely on our dollars tremendously. We can say they don't understand foreigners either. And may not realize they might be allowing their habits to get in the way of their financial security. So who is better off in sticking to their guns? The one missing out on some pussy, or the one missing out on some needed money to take care of themselves and their families?

Anybody can be on time if they choose to. As far as Caribbean women are concerned, they can look their best and be on time if they choose to. One thing for us to be mindful of, is not too many guys waiting for a chicas arrival, is going to give her a pass because she took the time to look her best BUT for some other Ninja. I personally wouldn't contact a bunch of women to all come at the same time, because I don't like messes. But I sure don't have a problem being ready to change plans or abort if I do not feel like waiting around.

My allegiance is more to men than to women. I care more about a mans concerns, and his time being wasted than the time women take to look beautiful. Besides, IMO women looking beautiful isn't necessarily designed for a mans benefit. Its for the benefit of the woman so she can hopefully extract as much as she can from a dudes wallet creating the illusion of increasing her value in the mans mind. Her look aint because she cares about the man and his feelings. If a woman wants to demonstrate doing something that really matters, then surprise him by being on time and looking good. Personally, quite a few chicas have impressed me by being on time.

My pretend GF and I also have an understanding. She texts me when she's leaving her place, and when she gets her taxi, It's always about 15 minutes before she gets to the Parada in Sosua. I scoop her up and we are on our way. Sometimes she wants pizza. So I've got her to make sure she calls ahead for the pizza or tells me she wants pizza and I call. That way the pizza is ready by the time she makes it to Sosua. In the past she would wait until she got to Sosua to tell me she was hungry, and wanted pizza. When asked why wait until now to tell me, she cant explain it. A lot of folks just have bad habits or dont use their brains enough. I cant even call that behavior a tradition or culture. It's their training or programming.

All in all, even Caribbean folks can operate socially an manage time well. Sometimes they just need someone willing to offer them an incentive. Someone who gives a fuck about how they are treated. There aint nothing stressful or complicated about what I'm proposing. When applied, things can go smoothly. When it's not important or a concern I'm laid back just like anybody else. I'm actually quite flexible when it comes to time. I try to be conscientious when it comes to being on time for others too. Foreign or domestic.

I forgot to add. Enough Caribbean women have a double standard when it comes to time management. Ive witnessed and experienced enough DR women who got upset over guys showing up late, or not showing up at all. In essence demonstrating that they do care about time management when the shoe is on the other foot. Where they stand on the issue ( lateness/no shows ) depends on where they sit.

The key here is the woman may feel a sense of loss by a guy being late or being a no show. She direclty misses out on the benefit. Whereas when she is late or a no show, there is no sense of loss because the guy accepts her lateness and ends of paying her anyway. Or in the case of a no show, she put the waiting dude on hold only to get his money later, but she is getting paid from another source. No sense of loss there. In essence, if a chica has good reason/incentive or something at stake or something to lose, she just might be on time or show up.

[SubCmdr]

With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour. So it is not the weather or infrastructure.

But in some cases it is weather or infrastructure. I did not say in all cases now did I? In some cases they don't make to work on time (through no fault of there own). Show me a guagua or transporte publico schedule. Feel free to post a picture of it or a link to the website here.

If you are going to quote me then misinterpret what I said then this discussion becomes a bigger waste of my time than a chica being late. Because I said weather and infrastructure makes it harder to be on time. And I am speaking from personal experience not relating a story.

Twist it and spin it however you would like. Getting around in Santo Domingo (este and proper) can be difficult if relying on public transportation, Uber and for that matter private transportation (such as The Grand Jefe mobile) in inclement weather and due to bad infrastructure. It doesn't matter if you are moving around at night, in the day, rush hour or any other hour. You can state otherwise all you like. But that doesn't make it so. But if the need to have a answer to your question is giving you such mental anguish then I suggest you ask the chicas about it if you really want to know.

[OldKool]

The last two chicas I imported to SD have each been 4 hours late. Neither called to tell me they were running late and were surprised by my discontent. The first one was waiting in my hotel lobby when I walked in with hot SW from El Conde. It was 8 or 9 and I did not have the heart to put her in the streets. So I booted my SW and let her stay. This taught me a lesson so on my last trip I was more relaxed and a tad more patient. I did tell the lady that if she came later then 8 not to come. She just made it.

[SubCmdr]

With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour.

I'm surprised with your extensive experience that you had to ask the question in the first place. But since you did. The answer is: they don't always make it to work on time.

Algo mas? (anything more)?

[Mr Enternational]

But if you have ever been in the streets of Santo Domingo (este or proper), dealt with the unreliable transportation system (timewise), been a of victim of the weather or poor infrastructure then you should understand that being on time here is not as easy as being on time in a developed country.

With all this against them, please tell how they make it to work on-time everyday; and in most cases during rush hour. You said it best when you said that business and social relationships operate on a different set of standards. So it is not the weather or infrastructure after all.

They have no problem being on-time for things they must be on-time for. Like the man said, if that last Caribe Tours bus leaves at 6, you think they are going to show up at 6:30 (6:01 maybe as seen in the example, but certainly not 6:30 or 7) talking about how bad the weather and infrastructure is? They know there are certain things they must be on-time for, while there are other things that being on-time do not matter as much.

My brother is married to a great gal she is half Cuban half Puerto Rican, they NEVER show up to family dinners and events anywhere near on time and never an apology for being late

I do not know anything about PR or Cuba, but in Brazil when you are given a time for an event that you are describing, it is not expected that you will show up on time. If the host tells you 8pm it really means 8:45 or 9. You will be looked at weird showing up at 8 and be the only one there and nothing will be ready.

[Manizales911]

One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.

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This happens all the time, I find it hilarious. I have a "regular" that I met in Blue Ice Piano Bar that has since moved to Santo Domingo, she visits me in Sosua about once a month and stays a couple days, I pick her up and drop her off at the Caribe Tours in Charamicos and I see girls all the time running panicked into the office to buy a ticket and / or running out of the office to try and catch the bus just before it pulls out, so funny.

[Manizales911]

I disagree Sir, we aren't talking about some millionaire Diva who is used to being waited on hand and foot trying to pull rank. You living there should understand they don't live by American standards, its a laid-back, take it easy, don't worry about it attitude that is prevalent through most unAmericanized Caribbean islands.

Latin women in general don't care about time, they care about looking good and presenting a good package. Foreign men don't understand this takes time and it might extend the meet time. Ever seen a Latina show up on time looking rushed? You won't. Ever seen a Latina show up late looking exceptional? That{s the norm. When you are dealing with putas who only want want fast cash and don't care about washing their pussies or wearing the same clothes as yesterday, maybe then they will be on time.

Its a Latin thing, its a Caribbean thing so understand it because its no big deal. Now, you have guys saying its okay to have five of these girls on call for the same date but that's fucked up because four girls have taken the time to look beautiful for you and you have screwed them over. Its basically someone expecting them to understand American traditions but you are in their country and don't want to understand their traditions. Dominican women only understand American traditions if you are going to buy them a big house and car, they don't understand being on time in their country and never will.

I agree, it is a Latin thing, time is not important, look at the lack of clocks anywhere compared to the USA, nobody wears a functioning watch etc. When I lived in Colombia it was the same as here, nobody gave two shits what time it was and I'm not talking about putas, I'm talking about family and friends. My brother is married to a great gal she is half Cuban half Puerto Rican, they NEVER show up to family dinners and events anywhere near on time and never an apology for being late because it is not a big deal in Latin American countries we give a shit because we are gringos and time is everything. It is one of the things that I like about living in the DR, a relaxed way of life, nobody is looking at their watch all day. When I schedule a cita with a chica I just tell them upfront that if they are more than 30 minutes late they should call me to find out what bar or restaurant I will be in because I am not going to wait for them at home all night, if they are late no big deal, I'm with my friends having a good time. Life is too short to get my blood pressure up over a chica.

[Frannie]

Case in point. 2 guys I know at the beach. One was complaining to the other that he came to meet him at the beach as planned, to hang out. He waited and waited, but his buddy wasnt there. His buddy said, he saw a chica with a fat ass and went with her. The other guy told him if that is the case, why didnt you send me a message to let me know instead of having me wait for nothing?

His buddy, instead of saying yeah you are right, all he talked about was that chicas fat ass, and he had to get with her. Totally disregarded his buddies concerns. Unfortunately, thats just one of many stories of guys coming here losing their damn minds, getting caught up elevating women, over other things or people that should be important to them. In the moment, I was surprised by the guys response of not caring about his buddy being stood up.

I should think a person's level of consideration for others would be set into their personalitiy long before they set foot in Sosua. However, you really cannot let your happiness on vacation be determined by such things. If the stood-up guy knew the buddy well and considered him to be a a really reliable person, he would perhaps have been checking the local hospitals or police station to see if his friend had an accident, but I suspect he had no such worries at all and knew or suspected that he was a weak character who could not always be relied upon.

[SubCmdr]

One more anecdote. One day I was on the Caribe Tours bus in Charimicos. It had just pulled away from the station. It was sitting at the light. Someone bolted out of the Caribe Tours station, hustled up to the door, trying to get the bus driver to open the door. The driver waved his finger back and forth, as if to say. No, no. No. No. You should have come before I closed the doors and pulled off. See? That individual that couldn't get on the bus had to deal with the consequences for not being ontime for THAT bus. Whether they learn the lesson, that's on them. But the way the bus driver handled it, he didn't let that individual off the hook for their own behavior. He took matters in his own hands. No argument, no whining, no explanations. Just do what needs to be done, and let the other person deal with it.

Oh yeah and it happened in the DR where you constantly hear that is the culture , and you just have to accept it. Well guess what?, the bus driver apparently didnt get the memo on common lateness within DR culture.

Nothing really special about this bus driver or this incident. I have seen security close and lock the door to banks (Popular, BanReservas and BHD) and seen the same thing happen at edeeste. Leaving the people wanting to get in inside to conduct business after business hours had concluded standing outside disappointed. My guess is that the individuals involved were not taking matters into their own hands, but simply following company policy. To ascribe anything else to their actions, in an attempt to make the incident more significant than it actually was, is erroneous.

Business and social relationships often operate on completely different set of standards, rules, and expectations. Certainly we can all agree on that.

[SubCmdr]

Since living in Puerto Plata many of the chics that I deal with can be considered semi or non pros which means since some I repeat some are under educated and lack professional work experience therefore they are often late and regretfully I have been stood up more times than I can count. If a chic is a pro she still might be late but has more of a sense of getting her money, which requires more time accountability; but if a chic is semi or non pro she may want a "regalo" or "ayuda" but she is less likely to be accountable for her time.

Since living in Santo Domingo este I only been stood up by a chica one time (and that was for a non sexual business meeting).

Being late is another matter. It happens all the time regardless of her age, education or the favorite social description you might wish to ascribe to her. But if you have ever been in the streets of Santo Domingo (este or proper), dealt with the unreliable transportation system (timewise), been a of victim of the weather or poor infrastructure then you should understand that being on time here is not as easy as being on time in a developed country.

Not taking away from the experiences of anyone else and taking into account important cultural characteristics that have been discussed, when I'm dealing with the lateness of a chica it's based on knowing the individual involved. And then handling the situation in a way that works best for my situation.