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[Mr Gogo]

This that you have detailed is the ultimate end game. It's one of the reasons I have curtailed the amount of trips I take per year. Who doesn't hate hearing "okay, ride's over boss" after your trip and realizing you have to return to the Matrix? I still have many years before retirement, but I sure as hell am not trying to wait until age 59 1/2 to enjoy paradise for the rest of my life. So I am doing a few side hustles here and there, cutting down on frivolous spending, and getting rid of consumer debt so that I can do all I can to cash out early.

I'm looking forward to that day when I buy my one-way ticket out of the matrix, never to return.

Thanks for the hit on the back channel today bro. I received some great feedback from the posters here mostly on the positive tip. You have always been advanced for your years and will be successful on any endeavor you take in the future. My journey is made complicated by me needing to maintain two residences but I need that backup escape. We are also alike because we have no fear going the solo route. You took on Colombia on your own and never looked back. I took on Cuba solo sneaking in the backdoor through the Cayman Islands and made it my other spot.

BTW, Trump will be announcing his new Cuba policy in Miami Friday and he is expected to make it harder to travel there, so if you haven't already gone it will now be made difficult.

[SavePros321]

Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.

This that you have detailed is the ultimate end game. It's one of the reasons I have curtailed the amount of trips I take per year. Who doesn't hate hearing "okay, ride's over boss" after your trip and realizing you have to return to the Matrix? I still have many years before retirement, but I sure as hell am not trying to wait until age 59 1/2 to enjoy paradise for the rest of my life. So I am doing a few side hustles here and there, cutting down on frivolous spending, and getting rid of consumer debt so that I can do all I can to cash out early.

I'm looking forward to that day when I buy my one-way ticket out of the matrix, never to return.

[Mr Gogo]

I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.

Thanks for replying Mani, but I had to examine my original post to see where guys had the impression that I was talking specifically about Sosua and I didn't see "Sosua" anywhere in my original post. I appreciate the feedback from you and Camaro and others because that's what this board is about.

With that said, I have only returned to Sosua one time in the last 18 months and guys who know me personally along with guys who read this board probably know that I have been visiting Boca Chica (a beach town) exclusively for the last two years. Most of my observations have been while in Boca Chica and SD. I like your interest in Las Terrenas as I have also heard many good things about it.

For the record my main gripe about Sosua is that I can't fly there for 289 usd anymore. With flights running 660 verses 320 to SDQ if have been forced to relocate. You and Camaro have reinforced my belief that its best to keep all options open and enjoy everything the island has to offer. Again, much thanks.

[Wrx2005]

I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.

Excellent post!

However I believe the issue you might be dealing with here is, some folks do not believe you should ever be comfortable living in Sosua. Because of their issues with it, and perhaps their understanding that nothing is correct unless it meets their approval. Your reality is irrelevant. Your reality of life in Sosua has been defined for you already. Nothing you say is going to help change their perspective of what life means to you in Sosua.

[Mr Gogo]

Thanks for the insight bro. Great straight to the point post that I enjoyed reading. It's not about bashing Sosua, it's about you sharing your ex Pat's experience.

[Wrx2005]

Where one sets up residence is a choice. But it doesn't define the individual.

As for expats like myself that have traveled within the country (DR over the last 9 years), I'm relatively certain they have already gained more awareness and a perspective of how things are outside of their immediate environment where they currently LIVE.

I realize some folks are somewhat uncertain themselves about how someone else can leave the environment they were accustomed to, to live abroad like most expats. While it is understandable how one might develop or have concerns that living in one place in a foreign country is some sort of detriment to ones growth. (stuck in a comfort zone). I see beyond that scope.

For expats that have made the ultimate move / sacrifice to liquidate almost everything they own, and basically transition themselves from living in the country they resided in almost all of their lives, they arent criminals or unsavory characters trying to escape from the law or duty; I call that the ultimate example of someone not stuck in any zone, but a major accomplishment in life. A life changer.

One of the benefits of being an expat is that you get to put aside many of the worries and concerns you used to have living in your former Matrix, and instead embrace the things that make your life more like one big fat vacation. Plus you have a passport that lets you travel almost anywhere you want when you get good and ready. That is a comfort zone I do not mind being stuck in.

[Mr Gogo]

I wanted some feedback from guys living in the DR and a few who decided not to, and I got it. Much as appreciated.

[Manizales911]

Great posts Mr Camaro.

I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.

I love living in Sosua. I have lived in Colombia, Manizales specifically and missed the interaction with fellow gringos, you can try to assimilate into the latino culture until you are blue in the face but you will never be part of their culture and will always be a gringo, you will make many friends but at the end of the day you are an outsider, period. I disagree with your vision of the gringos in Sosua, some fit your description but many do not, it is a matter of picking the right friends. And why do I care if one of my expat friends goes to the gym or not and is out of shape, hahaha. I have friends that are cheap and I have friends that throw money all around, personally I prefer to hang with guys somewhere in the middle. I have met some guys here that I would never hang out with for one reason or another as we all know that Sosua is the land of the misfit toys but there are hundreds of normal people here too and I have surrounded myself with a great group of friends both expats and locals and we enjoy ourselves, the last few years have been the best of my life. I still go back to the states and to Colombia a few times a year and that helps me with my sanity, I would be lying if I said that I didn't have to get away once in awhile but less and less as time goes by. I think we all agree that one size doesn't fit all and the best thing is to do whatever you are comfortable with, right now for me that is Sosua and the DR in general. I'm going to spend a few weeks in Las Terrenas soon, I know a few expats that live there and love it, if I like it then I'll go for a few months and really get a feel for living there.

[Mr Gogo]

Being a monger is a hobby being an expat is a life style. I love my hobby but I am not sure I want to do it full time. The relationships I have as a monger are shallow and transient. Every expat is unique in their life style. There is no right or wrong way to do what we do. However I firmly believe there are best practices in anything you do in life. I personally try to maximize my experiences and enjoyment by being flexible. I wife up or sport fuck with equal glee. I like Camaro"s approach. I think he is open minded and is a good guy. I enjoy dancing, socializing and just being off the grid. I have a decent life out side of my mongering.

I also have a blessed life and I'm fortunate to be able to do anything I want but something is missing. I'm still relatively young and don't know if I will have this desire when I'm 60. You are in your 60's and content and I'm happy for you but their is a next chapter that challenges me.

Add to that the way I see thing's happening in America and this foreign journey I must take. Just reading Mr see reports make me want it more. Living in the DR with a weekend road trip and new experiences will fill my prescription. Not watching American TV where you have to filter through the bullshit to see what's real. Eating more naturally, meditating on the beach, morning walks with fresh air, dancing, laughing and then I can close the book and check into the old folks home with a smile on my face. No regrets about what I couldn't or didn't do.

[OldKool]

Being a monger is a hobby being an expat is a life style. I love my hobby but I am not sure I want to do it full time. The relationships I have as a monger are shallow and transient. Every expat is unique in their life style. There is no right or wrong way to do what we do. However I firmly believe there are best practices in anything you do in life. I personally try to maximize my experiences and enjoyment by being flexible. I wife up or sport fuck with equal glee. I like Camaro"s approach. I think he is open minded and is a good guy. I enjoy dancing, socializing and just being off the grid. I have a decent life out side of my mongering.

I think for me it would be something I would look forward to occasionally, visiting ex Pat's, but not an every day thing. To each his own. I've decided to work one more year to build my ' Dr travel fund" so I won't have to skimp once I do retire completely.

I guess it's a question of do we retire to take it easy or do we retire to move on and create a new life. I'm yearning for the next chapter.

[Mander]

OK so. After listening to you guys, doing a tons of research, buying airplane ticket, and putting down $500 deposit, I have decided that DR is not right for me.

Charles Pooter, Mr. Enternational, you were right! It is highly uneconomical to pay close to $4 k for all-inclusive sex villa for 3 nights in DR.

I believe the business is legit, but I'm not staying at a 5-star private resort and the selection of girls ranged far outside of my minimum looks. I would not pay $4 k to stay in a decent villa rental and fuck 6's and 7's. Unless you are a dark-skin lover, it's extremely difficult find quality within justifiable cost.

It would be much better to spend that money to go to FKK in Germany or book a week trip to Thailand.

Your wisdom has been vindicated and I learned a costly lesson.

[Mr Gogo]

I think for me it would be something I would look forward to occasionally, visiting ex Pat's, but not an every day thing. To each his own. I've decided to work one more year to build my ' Dr travel fund" so I won't have to skimp once I do retire completely.

I guess it's a question of do we retire to take it easy or do we retire to move on and create a new life. I'm yearning for the next chapter.

[Camaro1257]

Great posts Mr Camaro.

I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.

Some ex pats fell in love with the first DR city they visited, set up there and never visited any place else because they were content. I see burnout hitting these dudes around the two year mark as paradise isn't what they thought and they look at other countries for a new paradise. Also these dudes will lose patience with the lack of good customer service and the lack of structure involving anything business related in that city. They also get a very negative feeling about most Dominicans and view most as vultures.

I attribute this to them not doing their homework. By doing your homework I'm talking about visiting several DR cities before you settle, going to Spanish school, learning Latin dance and even spending time visiting the campo to understand the diversity in living in the Dominican Republic. Get on the local gua gua and visit the barrio. Talk to the locals to understand their view even if it costs you a few pesos to begin with. Usually just buying them a beer will do it to break the ice. I'm probably in the minority but I think you owe the host country that you settle into the respect to make an attempt at understanding the ways and traditions. I see many ex pats who could care less about the cultural ways and only want cheap living, a beach and some pussy. I see expats that have lived there and can't speak but ten words of Spanish.

Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.

All this goes into my thought process and I'm still doing my homework. Currently I'm liking possibly not living in an ex pat city because I would rather be around the locals and set my own way. I don't need the fellowship on a daily basis from ex pats who want to talk about politics back home or prove how smart and successful they have been in life, but won't buy a beer. Just me doing my research has been hard because most ex pats are secretive about giving up info to a visitor. For me its not about the beach, saving money or the girls. Those are a given, but for me its about understanding the culture and being appreciated by the Dominicans for making the attempt. Its something about when I speak my ghetto Spanish or Latin dance that makes the locals smile and not view me as some privileged gringo.

When I first moved to the Dominican Republic I lived in Los Cerros which is the sector on the other side of Charamecos outside Sosua. It didn't take long for Sosua to get old but that's me other ex-pats love living there but not my cup of tea.

Puerto Plata is still a tourist town and close enough to Sosua where I can visit friends when they come to town. The other advantage to Puerto Plata is there is a small ex-pat community here we run into one another on the Malecon or in La Sirena and we can catch up. Sometimes you need to talk to somebody who is not Dominican. As much as I enjoy living here I know that I will NEVER be Dominican and I will always be an extranjero. "No soy Dominicano pero La Republica Dominicana es mi hogar. ".

I change my flavor by traveling frequently which I find very healthy having different experiences. At the end of the day you have to find what fits you best and enjoy.

[Mr Gogo]

Great posts Mr Camaro.

I've been studying ex pats for the last year trying to get a read on how they operate and maybe apply it to how I want to operate. I've noticed some ex pats just want to live out their golden years in paradise with a beach and girl everywhere that aren't complicated, and I respect that. But I'm also seeing a laziness in these guys that really turns me off. They are super cheap, wear the same shorts for a few days and have big bellies. Their lack of a workout program is obvious but maybe they don't feel physical fitness is a priority in paradise. Also their eating habits are terrible because usually they eat on a budget with rice, beans, and chicken. Not enough fruit and salad for these guys IMO.

Some ex pats fell in love with the first DR city they visited, set up there and never visited any place else because they were content. I see burnout hitting these dudes around the two year mark as paradise isn't what they thought and they look at other countries for a new paradise. Also these dudes will lose patience with the lack of good customer service and the lack of structure involving anything business related in that city. They also get a very negative feeling about most Dominicans and view most as vultures.

I attribute this to them not doing their homework. By doing your homework I'm talking about visiting several DR cities before you settle, going to Spanish school, learning Latin dance and even spending time visiting the campo to understand the diversity in living in the Dominican Republic. Get on the local gua gua and visit the barrio. Talk to the locals to understand their view even if it costs you a few pesos to begin with. Usually just buying them a beer will do it to break the ice. I'm probably in the minority but I think you owe the host country that you settle into the respect to make an attempt at understanding the ways and traditions. I see many ex pats who could care less about the cultural ways and only want cheap living, a beach and some pussy. I see expats that have lived there and can't speak but ten words of Spanish.

Last week I met a guy on Boca Chica beach from NY but he lives in the DR. What surprised me was that he didn't fit the ex pat standard operating manual. He has one of the finest girls I've ever seen in the DR with an Arabic / Indian look that speaks English and is in school studying to be an attorney. He pays handsomely for her and only fucks other top notch chics that he has no problem wining and dining and paying extremely for. He is 63 yo and has been coming to the DR for 20 years. He lives in another quiet beach town that has an ocean view apartment that is priced reasonably. He has residency and a gun permit. This guy spends money and doesn't know the meaning of "budget". He pays big for everything but has the best of everything. He is also well known and respected among other ex pats and if I say his name he will probably be recognized by some here. His quiet beach town is near a city that has many pretty women and is untouched by most ex pats and Americans are non existent he says in the DR you can write your own ticket but most ex pats settle before understanding that the whole island has something to offer. You can choose to be a cheap in your golden years or you can live very good. You can have hookers or you can have college students. You can take care of yourself or you can not give a fuck. He did everything top notch but I could never afford his lifestyle especially when it comes to girls.

All this goes into my thought process and I'm still doing my homework. Currently I'm liking possibly not living in an ex pat city because I would rather be around the locals and set my own way. I don't need the fellowship on a daily basis from ex pats who want to talk about politics back home or prove how smart and successful they have been in life, but won't buy a beer. Just me doing my research has been hard because most ex pats are secretive about giving up info to a visitor. For me its not about the beach, saving money or the girls. Those are a given, but for me its about understanding the culture and being appreciated by the Dominicans for making the attempt. Its something about when I speak my ghetto Spanish or Latin dance that makes the locals smile and not view me as some privileged gringo.

[Camaro1257]

Are all Gringos alike?

I know this is going to sound corny but I did not start out mongering in the Dominican Republic. I volunteered and contributed to the Dream Project which is an NGO that helps under privileged children in Cabarette. I have also studied Spanish in Cabarette where I met other non-mongers. There are several religious groups to include Mormans and Jehovah's Witnesses that are scattered throughout the Island evangelizing and helping Dominican people.

I have met Dominicans who lack respect for extranjeros and think that we all are mongers looking to take advantage of their women. They too think "todos LOS extranjeros son iguales" but to that I say "no no somos pero somos similar".

My point is that if a Dominican only deals with extranjeros who are chasing chicas throughout the Island they will think the same thing of us that we think of them.