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[Frannie]

Why the hell would you give an opinion and make a judgement on something if you were skeptical of the story or thought the whole story was BS?

To see if the OP came back with more details that would possibly clarify the discrepancy between the somewhat flippant tone of the narrative and the possibly serious effect on other people's lives that such pranking might have occasioned.

[Frannie]

All that other fluff in your last post is a waste of keystrokes.

Accurate information on safely negotating the route between Las Americas and Sosua via Nagua seems to be at a premium right now, so it was rather timely.

[Wrx2005]

No I was skeptical of the story in the first place, but just decided to let it ride to see if more details emerged.

Of course it matters if the story is BS or not. To the extent that guys provide factual accounts of something that happened, they are of interest. If people are just posting amusing urban legend type stories as if they are fact, it is misleading.

You insinuated in regards to the scenario (the OP challenging those men to a bet) could mess up relationships. Presumably between the novios and the womens family. You also said the guys who accepted the challenge were foolish. You also said the womans part in it would be gross. Soooooooo, What part of those statements is supposed to be you letting it ride? Why the hell would you give an opinion and make a judgement on something if you were skeptical of the story or thought the whole story was BS? Apparently that didn't stop you.

You still offered an opinion and made a judgement of what you felt was that guys role in betting those men, the womans role and the novios roles. But according to you now, you were letting it ride to see if more details emerged? Now that's some straight up BS right there.

All that other fluff in your last post is a waste of keystrokes.

[Frannie]

It doesn't matter if the story is BS or not. The point is, you responded and focused on certain things based on the details as you understood them.

No I was skeptical of the story in the first place, but just decided to let it ride to see if more details emerged.

Of course it matters if the story is BS or not. To the extent that guys provide factual accounts of something that happened, they are of interest. If people are just posting amusing urban legend type stories as if they are fact, it is misleading.

For example, the Samana Highway makes it easier to drive from Los Americas airport to Sosua without having to traverse Santo Domingo. Few people would deny that fact. But how much time does it save?

For example if I say that the other day I drove from SD to Sosua via Nagua at night in about 3 hours, and that I drove the reverse journey in the daytime in about 2 1/2 hours that would be misleading since the journey actually took an hour longer each way and included heavy rainstorms and rock falls in the mountainous section. Someone who used this information might find themselves driving in the dark when they did not expect to, or trying to drive faster than the conditions allowed and endangering themselves and others.

Reading such stories presented as fact might given people the impression that all Dominican women, even when selected at random, are prostitutes, or that all Dominican women who have foreign lovers are prostitutes, when the truth is more nuanced. Certainly a much higher percentage of Dominican women will have sex for money than US women, no doubt about it, but there is a lot of middle ground.

One huge cultural difference was something I learned about on my very first trip to the DR. An English expatriate had a DR girlfriend whom he later had a child with, married, and took to live in England, and I believe she is still there. She found out that he had sex with another Dominican chica and her question was whether it was for money. In her view, if the girl did it for money, then that was OK, but if she did it for free that was a different matter and much more serious.

In the probably apocryphal story posted here, the boyfriends are said to be "heartbroken", but it is not clear if this is because they did not previously suspect that their girlfriends were hookers, or just because of the implied willingness to be sexually unfaithful with a complete stranger on Facebook.

We also don't know if the boyfriends are supposed to be monogamous or whether they are mongers. Judging by the posting history of the OP, he seems to have confined his visits to the DR to Punta Cana, so possibly this is supposed to relate to guys who visit the DR and stay with girlfriends at all-inclusives.

I am agnostic on the wisdom of sending money to Dominican "girlfriends". Guys should certainly be aware that the money may be misused or diverted to other family members or friends, or that the requests for money may escalate over time and get out of control. On the other hand, each situation should be evaluated on its own merits. Many people have considerable funds available for personal entertainment, and it is up to them to decide how to use them. A friend of mine spent $500 on tickets to a Paul McCartney concert for himself, his wife, and 2 kids, and left half way though because the kids were bored. I had warned him in advance that this could be a waste of money, but he paid up anyway, because that was what he wanted to do.

[RocheBrazi]

I am sure the price you paid or where you bought it won't make any difference. The only question is whether the fact you showed your passport at time of purchase will suffice for the new system. As far as I can tell, it will not, and if you are out of the country you are fucked, as will be many people. I hope I am wrong.

Theft of cell-phones is by far the most common crime in this country, often leading to violence and even death. They say they want to discourage it by being able to check that the current user of the cell-phone is the registered owner. Also to help in tracing calls used in crime, especially drug-related.

There is now a big drive on for everyone in the country to have some sort of legal status. There are tens of thousands of gringos, and hundreds of thousands of Haitians, who have none. Many Haitians are frightened to register their cellphones because they don't want to appear "in the system", making them easier to trap and deport.

Ok I have a newish Info for other People that might have the same Problem.
Atleast for Orange Customers

I sent them a Messege on their Facebook and got that answer:

"Hola, clientes con pasaporte que estand fuera del pas, deben enviar una carta firmada con la lista de andmeros de mviles que reconoce, why una copia de su pasaporte, al correo servicio.cliente@orange.com.do".

[Frannie]

All of my past trips to the DR, I brought and used American dollars. Since they tend to round up on the exchange. Would I get a better deal if I convert money to DR Peso's?

Leaving Tuesday 6/10. Help!

Yes, obviously, same as in any other country except possibly Bermuda or other countries that use the US dollar or have a currency with a 1:1 exchange rate. However you might get a better deal if you pay for your hotel with dollars, but check the available conversion rate on the day first. The reason could be that today's hotel room rate was set a few weeks ago when the conversion rate was different.

[Frannie]

LOL. I think you have me fucked up. Everybody on this board knows that I do not give money or "gifts" to women who are not known hookers. So I have no idea where the "paid sexual relationship" part came into the story.

Even more reason if you are not paying her for sex for her to expect a Mother's Day gift. Your life is just one long series of misunderstandings with women.

[RedNose1]

All of my past trips to the DR, I brought and used American dollars. Since they tend to round up on the exchange. Would I get a better deal if I convert money to DR Peso's?

Leaving Tuesday 6/10. Help!

[Mr Enternational]

Wrx2005. Do you have any female relatives or coworkers in your segment of the universe. If so, ask them why wishing a poor woman whom you are having a paid sexual relationship with a Happy Mother's Day is likely to elicit a request for some kind of gift. I am sure they will be able to explain better than I.

LOL. I think you have me fucked up. Everybody on this board knows that I do not give money or "gifts" to women who are not known hookers. So I have no idea where the "paid sexual relationship" part came into the story.

[Wrx2005]

I never understood why some men will sponsor, support, or pay for a woman miles away! Is she your wife? Is she the mother of your children and got custody of them?

The answer is NO. She is someone you had sex with. That's it! Whether it was great or not, why'all got along well or not. At the end of the day your relationship is based on pleasure and material. Wake the fuck up. Use your bigger head!

Why in earth do you feel any sense of sexual exclusiveness with her? Cause you are paying her a monthly fee? You think she doesn't know you are shagging other skanks too?

You owe her nothing and she owes you nada!

No need for that monthly $50-200 maintenance fee.

Say how you really feel! LOL.

[RocheBrazi]

I am sure the price you paid or where you bought it won't make any difference. The only question is whether the fact you showed your passport at time of purchase will suffice for the new system. As far as I can tell, it will not, and if you are out of the country you are fucked, as will be many people. I hope I am wrong.

Theft of cell-phones is by far the most common crime in this country, often leading to violence and even death. They say they want to discourage it by being able to check that the current user of the cell-phone is the registered owner. Also to help in tracing calls used in crime, especially drug-related.

There is now a big drive on for everyone in the country to have some sort of legal status. There are tens of thousands of gringos, and hundreds of thousands of Haitians, who have none. Many Haitians are frightened to register their cellphones because they don't want to appear "in the system", making them easier to trap and deport.

Thanks for the Info. Seems then I can say goodbye to my Sim.

Atleast they could make it possible that I could register it with a extranjero passport. On the bill is written my passport number and when I try to use it at online registration it says its invalid LOL.

Well I will log in mi orange acount after the 12th and see if it still is active or not: p.

[Wrx2005]

I'm just curious. And I don't need to name names. You guys know who you are. But why is it you guys keep jumping to the defense of chicas / women in the DR? And using / relying on the poor woman excuse even when the issue points to those women clearly deceiving and dogging out men? Just about everything they do that's fucked up towards men, you guys downplay it, excuse it, or claim the man is responsible for the womans fucked up behavior? If that doesn't work, you go straight to talking about the womans poor status. Do ya'll ever hold these so called poor women accountable for shit?

I'm a let ya'll in on something I believe in. There are a lot of guys out there that are willing to do a lot for many of these poor women. But the truth of the matter is, it's the women that fuck things up for themselves by not being worthy, being too greedy, offering very little in return, juggling a bunch of men and conjuring up stories and lies to all of them, . So what's an aware man to do? He is forced to have to re adjust his sense of generosity and concern for these poor women. Especially if he is not going to get the rate of return on his investment or satisfaction as he had hoped.

And yet when men discuss issues of deceit or mal treatment from these poor women, a small group of men here seem to always have a bug up their butt in defense of their behavior. It's because they are poor women. We even had one of ya'll putting words in someones mouth saying I / we were calling these poor women bitches and some other derogatory name I can't recall.

But on the other hand, you muggs are in the minority (thank goodness). So nobody should really be overly concerned about what you guys think. It's just sad that we have such weak minded Capt sav a pro men amongst us within the mongering community.

[Wrx2005]

Wrx2005. Do you have any female relatives or coworkers in your segment of the universe. If so, ask them why wishing a poor woman whom you are having a paid sexual relationship with a Happy Mother's Day is likely to elicit a request for some kind of gift. I am sure they will be able to explain better than I.

Do you have any mongering buddies that have paid sexual relationships with poor women? If so, ask them if it makes sense, offering Mother's Day gifts to women they only have a paid sexual relationship with, meanwhile those same women are likely also having paid sexual relationships with other men? Ask them if just keeping it p4 p is more practical and keeps one from looking like a sentimental mark.

[Charles Pooter]

Do you talk about that cheap cells you can buy which have already a prepaid sim card with it?

I have a "normal" prepaid (prepago) Sim Card from Orange on which I can add Pesos I can use for Calls, SMS or Internet.

I am sure the price you paid or where you bought it won't make any difference. The only question is whether the fact you showed your passport at time of purchase will suffice for the new system. As far as I can tell, it will not, and if you are out of the country you are fucked, as will be many people. I hope I am wrong.

Theft of cell-phones is by far the most common crime in this country, often leading to violence and even death. They say they want to discourage it by being able to check that the current user of the cell-phone is the registered owner. Also to help in tracing calls used in crime, especially drug-related.

There is now a big drive on for everyone in the country to have some sort of legal status. There are tens of thousands of gringos, and hundreds of thousands of Haitians, who have none. Many Haitians are frightened to register their cellphones because they don't want to appear "in the system", making them easier to trap and deport.

[Wrx2005]

Quite honestly I call bullshit on the whole story. There are far too many significant details missing, like how he met the guys and whether he was already acquainted with some of the women. It is possible however that the story is based on a kernel of truth somewhere. Maybe someone did make a bet with a friend and a woman offered to give the friend a BJ on Facebook.

It doesn't matter if the story is BS or not. The point is, you responded and focused on certain things based on the details as you understood them. Truth or hypothetical, based on the evidence, facts or details you clearly put the onus on some guy offering a bet as the person responsible for potentially messing up some extended relationships with the womans family. As if that is more important than those men knowing the truth , meanwhile omitting the womans role of deceit towards the men. Fact or fiction, You can't reverse where you stand on that. It's already out of the bag.