General Info

[Sirioja]

Great News for all nightclubs like Babylon, Maxim, Casabianca but of course also the smaller ones and FKKs. Opening hours are extending until 04 am in the morning starting July 1st. The nightclubs must be thrilled as they would not have made enough money during day time to make up for the lost hours in the night.

Opening hours are extended since this week for Swiss clubs with no limited time to stay. Wish same for Austria, when they compete in ski Worldcup.

[Pistons]

Not so fast. I don't think that is accurate. My interpretation is that private events with less than 100 people are affected but no public clubs at all. Not yet anyway. It is very likely that what you believe to be true will soon be confirmed to be actually true. Right now I disagree with your interpretation.

In some countries, like where I live also Strip clubs are actually considered private, and not public. Thus they are also allowed to stay open longer than all the other nigh clubs here. So if Austria is like here, then MP is actually right. But I would suspect that legislators would add special notes for clubs like this in Austria if they are large enough.

[MonSooner]

Opening hours are extending until 04 am in the morning starting July 1st

Not so fast. I don't think that is accurate. My interpretation is that private events with less than 100 people are affected but no public clubs at all. Not yet anyway. It is very likely that what you believe to be true will soon be confirmed to be actually true. Right now I disagree with your interpretation.

[Sirioja]

Great News for all nightclubs like Babylon, Maxim, Casabianca but of course also the smaller ones and FKKs. Opening hours are extending until 04 am in the morning starting July 1st. The nightclubs must be thrilled as they would not have made enough money during day time to make up for the lost hours in the night.

What about limited time allowed in clubs? Not this in Switzerland where polite foreigners are welcome.

[Massimo Potente]

There are some papers floating around that deal with possible hygiene rules to minimize covid19 risk. If, by chance, you end up receiving them as well as I have through messenger a few hours ago, I advise not to share it just yet.

They are not in effect yet. And they are being disputed at the moment too.

While on a positive note this seems that the 1st of July is rock solid this paper, for all we've heard so far, is not rock solid yet.

It's not fake either, in case you are wondering. The suggestions are way too out there. This won't stick IMHO.

Great News for all nightclubs like Babylon, Maxim, Casabianca but of course also the smaller ones and FKKs. Opening hours are extending until 04 am in the morning starting July 1st. The nightclubs must be thrilled as they would not have made enough money during day time to make up for the lost hours in the night.

[MonSooner]

There are some papers floating around that deal with possible hygiene rules to minimize covid19 risk. If, by chance, you end up receiving them as well as I have through messenger a few hours ago, I advise not to share it just yet.

They are not in effect yet. And they are being disputed at the moment too.

While on a positive note this seems that the 1st of July is rock solid this paper, for all we've heard so far, is not rock solid yet.

It's not fake either, in case you are wondering. The suggestions are way too out there. This won't stick IMHO.

[Pistons]

I agree. It loses some appeal for sex tourists, unless these sex tourists are making appointments with ex-FKK WGs who they knew pre-lockdown. FKKs are convenient. If your first choice is unavailable, there are another 50 WGs to choose from within the same building. With private incalls, if you make an appointment, and the WG cancels, then you just wasted your trip across the city. And it may take you two hours and another trip across the city to meet your replacement booking. I am sure Italians who monger in Italy already deal with this.

Indeed, incalls is a waste of time unless you don't live in the city permanently, or basically have no other options.

It is more like a 2nd hand thing to do if you are lucky, than a first hand reason for a trip.

[McAdonis]

Let me understand: how that "underground market" works?

- Is it all about street girls and girls working in a private flat? If that's so I think It can't last long, because that already happens in Italy and italians go to Austria and Germany to monger in a legal way. I mean: you can make things work for a while with the internal market, but you will loose most of the sex tourists.

Since P6 is technically not legal at the moment, I suppose underground market refers to all P6. Spermbirds seemed to focus on the WGs that were displaced due to the forced closure of FKK Saunaclubs. My guess is a good portion of those displaced WGs are doing outcall only. For reasons of privacy, I assume many WGs do not want to offer incall to mongers at their private residence. From reports, some WGs are renting hotel rooms to provide incall. I am not sure how many hotels are WG-friendly or how long the WG typically stays at a hotel. Since it is currently illegal I assume they want to be a "moving target".

I agree. It loses some appeal for sex tourists, unless these sex tourists are making appointments with ex-FKK WGs who they knew pre-lockdown. FKKs are convenient. If your first choice is unavailable, there are another 50 WGs to choose from within the same building. With private incalls, if you make an appointment, and the WG cancels, then you just wasted your trip across the city. And it may take you two hours and another trip across the city to meet your replacement booking. I am sure Italians who monger in Italy already deal with this.

[Christian G]

Italians go to Austria and Germany to monger in a legal way.

Italians do not go to Austria, Germany or Swiss to monger in a legal way, they go for the FKK experience and because the girls who work in apartments in Italy are too much hit and miss, a lot of bad performance.

So better to save money and go often in the FKK, especially for the Italians who live near the borders.

[Mystical Gun]

Let me understand: how that "underground market" works?

- Is it all about street girls and girls working in a private flat? If that's so I think It can't last long, because that already happens in Italy and italians go to Austria and Germany to monger in a legal way. I mean: you can make things work for a while with the internal market, but you will loose most of the sex tourists.

- Or is it about non-registered studios / kontakt bars? In that way it depends on what autorities will do. Police shut down a lot of asian-studios in the last years, because they were registered as massage parlors but in fact they offerend sex.

Anyway, Vienna as we know it works as a legit city-scale walking through brothel. If they change that they will have to face the consequences of a big loss in sex tourism.

[Sirioja]

Think I've linked you that site like 10 times?

It is also a quite a big banner on the Wellcum site for it.

I am guessing they are not allowed to post lists like that on a. At site, so they just redirect us to a. It site instead.

Yes, I reminded from Ipto post and so big disappointment: no Mila Marina, maybe at Andiamo, just to know how it would be 2 years after, still magic? Wish for a better Wellcum casting than on last Summer.

[McAdonis]

They will take the same road as before. First flights from Bucharest to Germany are on their way via WizzAir which most girls use because of the pricing. As long as the "regular" FKK and Saunaclubs are forced to stay closed, the girls will have to adapt to the "new reality" and work underground. Quite doubtable that that specific situation is "more" safe than a "regulated opening" which allows clubs to survive (owners, staff, companies delivering food&drinks, surrounding hotels, local taxicompanies and so on) and offers the government to control the situation in clubs as well as they find appropriate. Nowadays they are creating a huge "illegal underground market" with doubtable "people" running that show and probably higher health-risks bottom line!

Interesting that Brussels officially opened their brothels. Maybe that will give courage to politicians elsewhere.

If politicians choose to reopen brothels too early and it leads to small outbreaks, and partial lockdowns, that is the end of a politicians career. If they choose not to reopen brothels, there will not be backlash. The streets will not be filled with protesters, and the economy will not fall deeper into recession. If outbreaks occur due to illegal underground P6, politicians cannot really be blamed because they took all reasonable efforts to discourage or prevent P6: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plausible_deniability.

I think your argument is incredibly sound if you are advocating for small escort agencies or bordello with less than five WGs to reopen. These smaller venues result in similar levels of social contact as the illegal incall / outcall underground market (mostly one-on-one meets). But mega FKK clubs are different; even at 50 percent capacity they are extremely efficient method of social transaction. One WG at a FKK club can get 5-20 rooms in one night. And probably flirt up close and personal with another 20-30 other men during approaches.

[Pistons]

Just skimming through some names that seems to be present the first 3 days of July with medium to high interest:

Adelina.

Anka.

Casandra.

Evelin.

Gya.

Lina.

Liv.

Ruby.

And some 10-20 names there I also did not recognize. Plus I only clicked on like 15-20 of the names.

Has anyone counted how many there will be? From this impression it seems like an ok 50% if that is what they are allowed to have. Unless the new names are really killing it, just 4 or 5 of those names are still on my priority.

[Pistons]

Where is this list? I want Mila.

Think I've linked you that site like 10 times?

It is also a quite a big banner on the Wellcum site for it.

I am guessing they are not allowed to post lists like that on a. At site, so they just redirect us to a. It site instead.

[Pistons]

Yes, it's true. A list of girls, who will return to Wellcum at the beginning of July was published today. They are mostly Romanians.

From what my googling last night told me, entering by plane in Austria from outside schengen is not allowed.

But it almost seemed as if all EU nationals are allowed to enter by car, bus or train. Anyway, that was the conclusion I made. But I could be wrong, and it didn't make much sense I must admit.