Vienna

[MonSooner]

Which leads me to believe there is much more repeat core 'local' business at this club- or maybe much less. Makes some sense since it seldom figures in many of the English language forums.

There used to be a really large number of regulars at GT for many years but most have reduced their frequency of visits drastically. Me too BTW. I hardly go anymore for the known reasons. By now I think you can call GT a club for tourists primarily. I don't think that is a bad thing and the girls are happy about it mostly as well it seems.

[Tintin1]

Never a shortage of men? From where I am sitting I see a huge shortage of guys who are willing to pay. And prices are going up in most places and down nowhere. Which ever way I look at it, I only see a reverse supply and demand scenario.

There was recently a long emphatic thread on either LH or Erotik about the rise in GT prices, especially among those punters who buy 5 packs. Which leads me to believe there is much more repeat core 'local' business at this club- or maybe much less. Makes some sense since it seldom figures in many of the English language forums. Also a few more positive Peepshow posts which would also lend credence to the idea that Price is driving happiness, or at least driving clients away.

[Massimo Potente]

There will never be a shortage of men willing to spend money on pussy, and the sex industry market will reflect that.

Never a shortage of men? From where I am sitting I see a huge shortage of guys who are willing to pay. And prices are going up in most places and down nowhere. Which ever way I look at it, I only see a reverse supply and demand scenario.

[MonSooner]

I do. Either you pay the price or don't. Supply and demand. A pornstar can charge $1,200 an hour. A normal WG cannot do that. Go to Dubai and the European/Caucasian sex workers charge more than the Asian, African, and Middle Eastern sex workers. How do they know to charge more? Supply and demand.

Mongering and the sex industry is built off people who spend money. Not frugal thrifty cheap charlies. The sex industry caters towards the spenders, always has and always will.

There will never be a shortage of men willing to spend money on pussy, and the sex industry market will reflect that. Even outside of a brothel. 10 years ago prices were cheaper. And 10 years from now, the prices will be triple what they are today.

Supply and demand. My objective is to have sex with the hottest women available, and their objective is to charge as much as possible while also getting the most clients. I can either pay it or not. Supply and demand.

This doesn't compute as you describe it. If it were supply and demand, with obviously a gigantic decrease in demand that we see these days, prices should go down. Which they never have.

If what you say were true, when demand was the highest in 2010 for example, prices should have been higher but they were much lower than today. If mongering was entirely built of big spenders why would all of Germany charge 50 in FKKs and make clients who could wear the finest silk wear a cheap uniform bathrobe instead?

If the same girl may work at Maxim today, tomorrow at GT and next week at Babylon, charging and making 3 entirely different hourly incomes, how is that supply and demand if the same guy has access to all 3 clubs easily. There are no barriers of entry or locked doors that define the ladies' market place or the monger's market place.

But I applaud you for what you wrote and described. It is perfectly correct in a normal economic environment. Not here, though.

[Rocko20]

I don't think that the sex industry is a market like other markets in which "supply and demand" apply perfectly.

I do. Either you pay the price or don't. Supply and demand. A pornstar can charge $1,200 an hour. A normal WG cannot do that. Go to Dubai and the European/Caucasian sex workers charge more than the Asian, African, and Middle Eastern sex workers. How do they know to charge more? Supply and demand.

Mongering and the sex industry is built off people who spend money. Not frugal thrifty cheap charlies. The sex industry caters towards the spenders, always has and always will.

There will never be a shortage of men willing to spend money on pussy, and the sex industry market will reflect that. Even outside of a brothel. 10 years ago prices were cheaper. And 10 years from now, the prices will be triple what they are today.

Supply and demand. My objective is to have sex with the hottest women available, and their objective is to charge as much as possible while also getting the most clients. I can either pay it or not. Supply and demand.

[Massimo Potente]

It would be easy to say that what GT needs is viable competition. But, the competition is not only for us, the customers, it's also for the finite number of girls who want to maximize their profits. Sauna clubs who want to compete with GT need to reduce prices while providing a work environment for the girls at least as good as GT. If a club wanted to attract customers by prohibiting the girls from upcharging, why would girls stay there when GT allows them to upcharge, or at least looks the other way?

In my own case, I have to remind myself that Vienna isn't Germany, where there is an FKK on almost every street corner (obviously exaggerating! Vienna, in one metropolitan area, has a wide variety of consenting adult options. One could make the argument that Vienna doesn't need the sauna clubs at all. There are numerous other options for spontaneous activities: night clubs, studios and even the peep show. With planning, there is ample opportunities to set up an escort. Perhaps the completion is not between a new sauna club and GT. It's between a new sauna club and everything else.

I agree with almost all you're saying.

I think we have reached a point in which all that clubs can do is wait and survive the crisis and the circumstances which are dire. Goal number 1 is to make the best and most motivated ladies feel comfortable and customer traffic so strong, so that overcharging is not necessary. How? I truly don't know.

But the most resilient clubs will pull through and most I assume that a few will give up. Prices being higher now is not going to be a problem as long as quality is also stable.

[MonSooner]

I m a foreigner, but not Asian nor a brothels tourist and I know how to talk to women. I really enjoyed with Iranian Sepid at GT, extreme GFE for 200/60 . I m pretty sure if we meet again, she would not ask for more, but would prefer we repeat again beyond her taboos.

I am sure you'll do all right. I doubt though that Sepid is currently at GT. And for the record, even though she might have Itanian roots, she is from Romania.

I think most people who use this forum are not seasoned and very experienced like you. And therefore I think it is important to tell them what can happen and what to expect.

All things considered, GT is still the same as it always was, just the experience will not be the same and neither are the prices.

YMMV and there is no doubt in my mind that some guys will have the time of their life. But others won't. I know that people are looking for easy answers and solutions but when things get complicated, it is good to hear more than one opinion.

[Sirioja]

At GT most girls will try to take advantage of tourists without any scruples. Price for half an hour is supposed to be 70 but they will probably decline if you insist. We know of girls that charged up to 300 for half an hour, mostly trying to fool Asians. Better watch out in that case.

I m a foreigner, but not Asian nor a brothels tourist and I know how to talk to women. I really enjoyed with Iranian Sepid at GT, extreme GFE for 200/60 . I m pretty sure if we meet again, she would not ask for more, but would prefer we repeat again beyond her taboos.

[Max #01]

I am not so sure that this is universally true. I feel that things will balance themselves out sooner or later. But I agree that certainly some clubs were to cheap to begin with. 70 for half an hour at GT is not sustainable in 2024 and beyond and neither is 150 or more. I think an established straight 100 would do the trick but that is wishful thinking. I just don't know how one would sell this restriction to the girls.

I also don't see how places like Residenz could handle the overcharging of extras and get that under control again. Overall there is a lot of price madness going on to make the girls happy.

It would be easy to say that what GT needs is viable competition. But, the competition is not only for us, the customers, it's also for the finite number of girls who want to maximize their profits. Sauna clubs who want to compete with GT need to reduce prices while providing a work environment for the girls at least as good as GT. If a club wanted to attract customers by prohibiting the girls from upcharging, why would girls stay there when GT allows them to upcharge, or at least looks the other way?

In my own case, I have to remind myself that Vienna isn't Germany, where there is an FKK on almost every street corner (obviously exaggerating! Vienna, in one metropolitan area, has a wide variety of consenting adult options. One could make the argument that Vienna doesn't need the sauna clubs at all. There are numerous other options for spontaneous activities: night clubs, studios and even the peep show. With planning, there is ample opportunities to set up an escort. Perhaps the completion is not between a new sauna club and GT. It's between a new sauna club and everything else.

[Massimo Potente]

I noticed that Wellcum has increased their pricing too, from 70 to 80 for half an hour. Everything is getting more expensive and it was expected that over time everybody in the industry will have to raise prices to not lose girls. It makes sense to me what MassimoPotente wrote.

Wellcum is not in Vienna but I get your point.

More on topic and relevant is the most recent increase of the entry fee in GT since we are talking about FKK clubs in this case.

In GT the entry fee is now 95 for a one-time ticket or you can buy 6 for 500 which is 83,34 per ticket. This is a hefty increase for the regulars. Before the pandemic we used to pay 400 for 6 tickets which was like 66 each and then 500 for 7 tickets which was like 71. It is what it is.

[HelloTitty]

I noticed that Wellcum has increased their pricing too, from 70 to 80 for half an hour. Everything is getting more expensive and it was expected that over time everybody in the industry will have to raise prices to not lose girls. It makes sense to me what MassimoPotente wrote.

[MonSooner]

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.

I am not so sure that this is universally true. I feel that things will balance themselves out sooner or later. But I agree that certainly some clubs were to cheap to begin with. 70 for half an hour at GT is not sustainable in 2024 and beyond and neither is 150 or more. I think an established straight 100 would do the trick but that is wishful thinking. I just don't know how one would sell this restriction to the girls.

I also don't see how places like Residenz could handle the overcharging of extras and get that under control again. Overall there is a lot of price madness going on to make the girls happy.

[Fuschlszg]

I don't think that the sex industry is a market like other markets in which "supply and demand" apply perfectly. I would argue that the pandemic had a lasting effect which can hardly be overcome and is to all our detriment and it has become even more apparent that this is not your typical market of goods and services that will react to economic laws logically or perfectly. At the minimum I can say that it is not working as you would expect even if you have all the academic degrees.

In short the pandemic has hurt the "middle man" which in our case is the clubs. Agencies still existed but to a lesser extent, they could still operate but faced a massive challenge. With all clubs being shut down with the proverbial hammer the girls had to become independent and quickly found that now they can charge the same as an agency or club would. The premium in their pockets was used to pay police penalties because it is illegal in Austria to welcome clients at your home. As a result, the clients and the ladies now are used to dealing with each other directly and the clubs have become less frequented by girls and boys partly because of that.

When clubs reopened it seemed for a second that everyone would run to the clubs and meet there but it wasn't the case. In hindsight it is obvious why, but it wasn't so obvious back then.

In order to attract girls the clubs need to improve the working place for the ladies. So what has the boss of a saunaclub to offer to a girl to attract her and make her work there? It can only be financial bait.

1. she can charge more or even better, she can charge whatever she pleases.

2. her entry fee is lower.

Seeing that the best client in a saunaclub is the girl and not the male client, you can probably guess who is more important to the owner of a saunaclub. After all, a girl is the best returning customer for the FKK club. She can work up to 30 days a month.

I could come up with stronger and more controversial reasons to justify and explain higher prices. How about if I said that the prices were to cheap to begin with and are now "normal".

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.

Thanks Maximo for the explanation.

Everything that you argue makes sense.

Nevertheless, guessing the future, I am not sure if this move to "independent" would benefit on a long term basis the girls. If they stay independent they must have a stable and reliable base of customers to keep their income and in fact clubs provide a sort of "security" (job and income) which cannot be neglected.

Pandemic causes strong disruption in some business but things smoothly came back to as it was previously.

I am particularly concerned with the decrease of available girls in the most exclusive clubs which on a certain extend affects the customer experience, hope that they would not disappear and reinvent themselves to keep attractive.

On FKK clubs, seems that line-up has not been so hardly affected but upselling is now the standard and not the exception.

[Hammer893]

Dear Tintin1,

Thank you for your inputs, it is highly appreciated.

I checked out the website of Peepshow it would be around 30 minutes by public transport, just like you indicated.

About Peepshow, the girls which seemed interesting according to my liking:

1. Patricia & Angel. Young but lacking some quality services.

2. Isabel. Mature and experienced offers anal but no COF.

3. Deea. Exprienced offers DT and COF.

4. Adelle. Young tight with COF.

Just a quick question on the charges, it shows 55 euros for sex, so do we have to pay extra for the oral?

Thank you once again for you help.

Happy Mongering.

Read the various reports on Peepshow Wien. They book in 15 minute increments. And it's easily reachable by public transport in under 30 minutes. The building is on a main area. V safe. And the place has nice little rooms to use. For $100 you could def have fun for a tiny bit more. You could have two sessions.

The other great thing about the laufhuser is that you walk through and if you don't find what you want you haven't spent any money!

[Massimo Potente]

Nevertheless. Considering that sex industry is a market, with "supply" and "demand" like others markets, what social factors or market forces explain this rise on prices after the pandemic, social life is back to normal.

I don't think that the sex industry is a market like other markets in which "supply and demand" apply perfectly. I would argue that the pandemic had a lasting effect which can hardly be overcome and is to all our detriment and it has become even more apparent that this is not your typical market of goods and services that will react to economic laws logically or perfectly. At the minimum I can say that it is not working as you would expect even if you have all the academic degrees.

In short the pandemic has hurt the "middle man" which in our case is the clubs. Agencies still existed but to a lesser extent, they could still operate but faced a massive challenge. With all clubs being shut down with the proverbial hammer the girls had to become independent and quickly found that now they can charge the same as an agency or club would. The premium in their pockets was used to pay police penalties because it is illegal in Austria to welcome clients at your home. As a result, the clients and the ladies now are used to dealing with each other directly and the clubs have become less frequented by girls and boys partly because of that.

When clubs reopened it seemed for a second that everyone would run to the clubs and meet there but it wasn't the case. In hindsight it is obvious why, but it wasn't so obvious back then.

In order to attract girls the clubs need to improve the working place for the ladies. So what has the boss of a saunaclub to offer to a girl to attract her and make her work there? It can only be financial bait.

1. she can charge more or even better, she can charge whatever she pleases.

2. her entry fee is lower.

Seeing that the best client in a saunaclub is the girl and not the male client, you can probably guess who is more important to the owner of a saunaclub. After all, a girl is the best returning customer for the FKK club. She can work up to 30 days a month.

I could come up with stronger and more controversial reasons to justify and explain higher prices. How about if I said that the prices were to cheap to begin with and are now "normal".

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.