Vienna

[MonSooner]

Next time, maybe read my whole post before replying?

I really did. It is naive to see real similarities in normal services to which microecon that you describe apply and sexual services. But no offense, man. I generally value your input but this is nonsense to a really high degree.

[Massimo Potente]

I am not sure you understood the whole concept of this. Of course different people have different willingness to pay ranges. See the graph for example.

When it comes to the applicability, it definitely works like this in Germany. I don't see how Austrian FKK's should be the only place in the world where it would not work. This concept is fundamental to microeconomics and pricing strategies in all sorts of fields. All around the world.

There aren't that many countries that have legal prostitution and FKKs to begin with so we shouldn't really talk about the world here. Now it is narrowed down and you compare Austria and Germany and maybe Switzerland which seem like similar markets but they're probably not as similar as you think.

I get your basic point but as service providers the ladies seem to be fed up with high expectations of clients for 60. That is what I take away from the "premium service" or whatever you may call it.

FergenStein.

Yes! Angela is very small, pretty with a very good body. One of the best ones in my opinion in GT.

[Max #01]

Until I retired in early 2018, I traveled to Vienna from the USA Several times each year. So, I will state right up front that my biases are what is available for consenting adults in the USA, Austria, and in Germany.

First of all, I have been able to partake of much of what Germany has to offer. It's noticeably cheaper than Austria and I have been able to sample German FKKs and partytreffs, including those that specialize in condom-less adult activities.

If you come from North America (USA And Canada), you have absolutely nothing to complain about, especially for my USA Fellow citizens. The simple fact that you can legally insert your erect penis into a willing vagina for an agreed-to compensation and not go to jail is incomprehensible.

Over several years, I have sampled much of what Vienna has to offer. I have done the current FKKs: GT, Fresh and FunPalast. The experience is similar to German FKKs with a higher price. If your objective is to insert your penis into a receptive vagina, any of these facilities will do.

I've visited a couple of Vienna's studios. They are basically the clubs with limited options to "try before you buy. " If you want to walk through a facility and pick a girl as your Chosen One, I'd say to go for it.

Maxim is a strip club / brothel. If you have ever fantasized about having consenting adult relations with a strip club performer in the USA, you can do it at Maxim. The cost is about what you would pay for "take out" at strip club in the USA In Vienna at Maxim, you don't have to "take out. " All you have to do is to walk up the stairs.

My apartment hotel was about 100 m from Babylon. It was tempting beyond belief, especially when I would see the women departing in the morning when I was on my morning run. I frequently thought about if I would spend the money versus the money spent at Maxim. I haven't figured that out yet.

[FergenStein]

I don't think it is quite that dramatic but it shows that even some of the BEST PROVIDERS like ANGELA are joining in. This can be peer pressure or it can be an exception to the rule, I don't know that. I don't think she'll do that with me but the guy who reported it a local and regular just as I am. Not more and not less. So, we'll see what's going to happen next. I mean after all the girls are still good as the line-up is large and money is just money so let's spend it. My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.

Is Angela that young and very short Romanian girl? I'm new to the FKK game in Vienna and I would be glad for some tips on who are the best providers in GT since it seems like you have enough experience.

[Pistons]

And one more thing regarding the economic theory there. If you have several competitors in one range of the market, there will be an opening higher up in the market also. The total possible income would be lower, but you would have your own niche market with less competitors.

But as far as I see this, the supply side is the main problem for these expensive clubs like Maxim and Babylon. The idle time for the girls is just so high that the club can only have a few girls around able to make a decent average income. And this lack of diversity can possibly be detrimental in the long run. But that is just a theory. But like you point our, prostitution is not like all other fields. But we are all more or less polygamous.

[Pistons]

That is interesting for sure but is it applicable to the sex industry and to prostitution? I want to say partly but not really and clearly not accurately.

Willingness to pay? For some people the willingness to pay starts exactly where it ends for the common guy. And this is where Babylon and other higher-priced places start to shine. Maxim as well in a way but not as polarised as Babylon compared to cheaper places. I like Monsooner's examples. Low prices and eagerness to define yourself as cheap and affordable can be the demise for your business if you don't handle the traffic that you are getting accordingly.

I am not sure you understood the whole concept of this. Of course different people have different willingness to pay ranges. See the graph for example.

When it comes to the applicability, it definitely works like this in Germany. I don't see how Austrian FKK's should be the only place in the world where it would not work. This concept is fundamental to microeconomics and pricing strategies in all sorts of fields. All around the world.

But yes, small variations may exist. It is not always a straight line. Two different groups like locals / tourists can make the chart uneven. Management can be bad. Facilities can be bad. Marketing can be bad. And at some price point alternatives to FKK prostitutes can kick in too. So we are operating within a certain scale here of course.

[Pistons]

I can't provide business statistics to back this up or dispute it, but Funpalast and fresh prove this concept wrong. They are cheaper than cheap and are irrelevant in the big picture of things in Vienna.

Babylon increased the price because they can. Babylon clients will not change the club because of a silly 50 that they don't even feel.

Next time, maybe read my whole post before replying?

[Chubzy Maximus]

Very good report and liking the "Driving Miss Daisy" reference!

For those who probably don't understand the role of "Roman" who you are mentioning in your report, let me explain that he is doing most of the escort booking and overseeing all of the marketing of Maxim in general and some management tasks in the club as well. Seems that he has treated you well otherwise you wouldn't point it out.

Have you picked Daisy yourself or was she recommended by him? Just curious because seeing that she is getting all the reviews some girls might be overlooked who actually deserve the look. And as far as Pole Dancing goes Daisy is good for sure and you can see that she likes it AND she is easy on the eyes. But there are definitely some girls who are better and more talented IMHO.

Massimo,

Roman did treat me well. More importantly, he treated me fairly. Let me tell you that in some places with the reputation Daisy has in Vienna, a new comer like myself wouldn't have a chance to meet her the way some agency heads and boomers operate. I'the be passed up for a regular or someone who is known to spend a ton of €€€'s. Roman and Daisy do not know me but treated me like a VIP I felt and for that I'm pretty happy. Communication was via text, he was always prompt and courteous. Very flexible with scheduling changes also.

How did I come up with Daisy? Her name keeps coming up over and over again on this thread and forum. You had also mentioned her quite a few times in your reports. 2 recent blokes confirmed they had a great time with her as well. Her pics on the website looked great too! As stated I wish I got to see her dance.

Would definatley love further recommendations you have. Any advice is always appreciated.

I'the def recommend Daisy for outcall escort basis. In fact I was well impressed with her and Elena Frances. Both girls are very service oriented. They were very much focused on what they could do to make me happy! No stalling, both took lead and initiative, I'the give them both high marks. They only issue I have with Vienna is the upcharges. Daisy did not charge for BBBJ but Elena did. Both were spectacular at it!

Hope this helps those who can only do out call.

I would like to visit GT and Maxim at some point, but would prefer to do that with some mates instead of solo.

[Massimo Potente]

It is all about willingness to pay.
https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...sumer-surplus/

That is interesting for sure but is it applicable to the sex industry and to prostitution? I want to say partly but not really and clearly not accurately.

Willingness to pay? For some people the willingness to pay starts exactly where it ends for the common guy. And this is where Babylon and other higher-priced places start to shine. Maxim as well in a way but not as polarised as Babylon compared to cheaper places. I like Monsooner's examples. Low prices and eagerness to define yourself as cheap and affordable can be the demise for your business if you don't handle the traffic that you are getting accordingly.

[Massimo Potente]

There was the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" today I tell the story of loving Miss Daisy. My friends I see what all the commotion is about and I can't thank you enough for pointing me in her direction! She is a true Gem! Very easy going, easy to talk to and a complete pleasure to spend time with. I would like to give special thanks to Roman at Maxim for making it happen and setting everything up. He is a true gentleman and I was very happy with the maxim team. My advise to all who want to see her, book in advance, plan accordingly and keep in contact with the staff at Maxim to see if any schedule Changes are needed. Let me tell you something that impressed me a great deal about Roman and Daisy. I know one major city where if you request a girl some agency owners (not referring to anyone in Europe) would have no issue cancelling on you to accommodate the locals and make up some excuse as to why something fell through. Especially to a new comer who has not dealt with agency or club before! Roman and Daisy kept their commitment and did a nice job setting it up.

Service wise, everything was on the table. I did not ask anything crazy. She asked if I want to use a Johnny for BJ and I said no, she then smirked and said "cool, now you'll get to see how good I am"! She was involved, she was genuinely having a fun time. Any request I had she obliged. My only regret is that I didn't get to see her pole dance. Only piece of advise I would give to the gents is not to compete with her in drinking, she can hold it and hold it well! There was ample DFK, great eye contact and you truly felt like you were hanging out with a buddy. I would recommend highly to see her in Vienna, I would not hesitate to set something up for a repeat.

Again thanks to Massimo and all others who gave such great detailed reports and breakdowns on all the girls. It truly helps!

So far I've been pretty happy with the level of service I got from Elena and Daisy in Vienna. Would easily repeat with both!

Very good report and liking the "Driving Miss Daisy" reference!

For those who probably don't understand the role of "Roman" who you are mentioning in your report, let me explain that he is doing most of the escort booking and overseeing all of the marketing of Maxim in general and some management tasks in the club as well. Seems that he has treated you well otherwise you wouldn't point it out.

Have you picked Daisy yourself or was she recommended by him? Just curious because seeing that she is getting all the reviews some girls might be overlooked who actually deserve the look. And as far as Pole Dancing goes Daisy is good for sure and you can see that she likes it AND she is easy on the eyes. But there are definitely some girls who are better and more talented IMHO.

[Chubzy Maximus]

There was the movie "Driving Miss Daisy" today I tell the story of loving Miss Daisy. My friends I see what all the commotion is about and I can't thank you enough for pointing me in her direction! She is a true Gem! Very easy going, easy to talk to and a complete pleasure to spend time with. I would like to give special thanks to Roman at Maxim for making it happen and setting everything up. He is a true gentleman and I was very happy with the maxim team. My advise to all who want to see her, book in advance, plan accordingly and keep in contact with the staff at Maxim to see if any schedule Changes are needed. Let me tell you something that impressed me a great deal about Roman and Daisy. I know one major city where if you request a girl some agency owners (not referring to anyone in Europe) would have no issue cancelling on you to accommodate the locals and make up some excuse as to why something fell through. Especially to a new comer who has not dealt with agency or club before! Roman and Daisy kept their commitment and did a nice job setting it up.

Service wise, everything was on the table. I did not ask anything crazy. She asked if I want to use a Johnny for BJ and I said no, she then smirked and said "cool, now you'll get to see how good I am"! She was involved, she was genuinely having a fun time. Any request I had she obliged. My only regret is that I didn't get to see her pole dance. Only piece of advise I would give to the gents is not to compete with her in drinking, she can hold it and hold it well! There was ample DFK, great eye contact and you truly felt like you were hanging out with a buddy. I would recommend highly to see her in Vienna, I would not hesitate to set something up for a repeat.

Again thanks to Massimo and all others who gave such great detailed reports and breakdowns on all the girls. It truly helps!

So far I've been pretty happy with the level of service I got from Elena and Daisy in Vienna. Would easily repeat with both!

[MonSooner]

It is all about willingness to pay.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...sumer-surplus/

At club A charging 550 an hour you might attract say 150 customers a month to the club. Total income: 82 500.

At club be charging 100 an hour you might attract 1500 customers a month. Total income: 150 000.

I can't provide business statistics to back this up or dispute it, but Funpalast and fresh prove this concept wrong. They are cheaper than cheap and are irrelevant in the big picture of things in Vienna.

Babylon increased the price because they can. Babylon clients will not change the club because of a silly 50 that they don't even feel.

[Pistons]

You are right in that I am not very price sensitive if I get what I like and feel comfortable. This is why I don't choose cheaper places over more expensive ones. As for switching travel options. This could very well become a trend in the German speaking countries that "premium service" will have a higher price in relation to standard half an hours. But we don't know for sure what's going to come next.

Since we are talking prices and rates: 1 hour in Babylon now costs 550. They increased it recently as it seems. It's just a 10% increase. LOL.

It is all about willingness to pay.

https://courses.lumenlearning.com/bo...sumer-surplus/

At club A charging 550 an hour you might attract say 150 customers a month to the club. Total income: 82 500.

At club be charging 100 an hour you might attract 1500 customers a month. Total income: 150 000.

Club A girls would either have much more idle time on their hand, or only supply work to 5 girls. While club be could have equal income per girl and have 76% more girls around. Common male instinct would lead us to the club with the largest variety of girls.

Standard pricing models suggest chances are that the real numbers would be far more skewed than 10:1 in customer numbers, but this factor would change from city to city.

In the monger world there would of course be a limit where service got so bad, jerking off to Pornhub would be equally good. German red light districts end up in this box. Maybe FP entered this area of the curve also.

[Massimo Potente]

Maybe for you, but for me and other proce conscious people we will either switch travel options, or simply just cut back on this hobby altogether. For me, this year looks like a mix of cutting back and choosing clubs more carefully sue to increased upsells. If rumors are true all over I will cut back more. Even Asia gets more interesting again too even if I live in Europe.

You are right in that I am not very price sensitive if I get what I like and feel comfortable. This is why I don't choose cheaper places over more expensive ones. As for switching travel options. This could very well become a trend in the German speaking countries that "premium service" will have a higher price in relation to standard half an hours. But we don't know for sure what's going to come next.

Since we are talking prices and rates: 1 hour in Babylon now costs 550€. They increased it recently as it seems. It's just a 10% increase. LOL.

[Pistons]

My life doesn't change that much if I have to spend EURO 50-60 more on each visit, hypothetically.

Maybe for you, but for me and other proce conscious people we will either switch travel options, or simply just cut back on this hobby altogether. For me, this year looks like a mix of cutting back and choosing clubs more carefully sue to increased upsells. If rumors are true all over I will cut back more. Even Asia gets more interesting again too even if I live in Europe.