Vienna

[Massimo Potente]

And as a final point, if it ever did transpire, I would probably have to stay mum about it.

I would recommend you to. GT management is very aware of this thread already BTW.

[RyeHumor63]

Massimo is right. There are many escort agencies out there and if you approach the girls in GT too strongly this might turn out bad for everyone involved. Let an FKK stay an FKK, they do not want to do escort service, otherwise they would already offer it.

Thanks for all sharing your opinions. In my experience on the scene, there are a few perspectives to consider, one of which is the well being of the lady. If I were to ever pursue this, it would merely be to provide extra benefits to the lady without impacting her relationship with the establishment. I have had a lot of experiences all over the world with a host of very attractive women in their early 20's who are intelligent, ambitious, and clearly see their experience as a means to their own ends. When I come across one I particularly like, I want to assist in my own way. That was kind of the thrust of why I raised it in the first place. I will be needing to travel again to Vienna on Friday so I will see where the journey in GT takes me on this occasion. And as a final point, if it ever did transpire, I would probably have to stay mum about it.

[Skarz]

If GT does not allow it then keep it low and speak directly to the girls only. No FKK club would be happy about girls taking clients from the club. Let's be real about that.

Rumours say that some girls were temporarily banned from GT not so long ago for something similar like that. An FKK club is not build for escort needs, please be aware of that before you focus too much on testing how far you can go.

Massimo is right. There are many escort agencies out there and if you approach the girls in GT too strongly this might turn out bad for everyone involved. Let an FKK stay an FKK, they do not want to do escort service, otherwise they would already offer it.

[Itponaus]

GT have told me that directly that they don't allow it once the girl has entered the premises, ...

I know for one exception, happened few years ago. GT-girls told me about it. I don't know all details, but one woman came to GT that day and asked for two girls for her husband's birthday party. GT staff allowed this.

[Itponaus]

If GT does not allow it then keep it low and speak directly to the girls only. No FKK club would be happy about girls taking clients from the club. Let's be real about that.

I agree. I don't wish also that the best GT-girls would be absent there because of their escort services.

[Massimo Potente]

GT have told me that directly that they don't allow it once the girl has entered the premises, so obviously if I am going to do this, I am going to have to be able to communicate with the lady directly prior to her arrival. I suppose that it isn't going to be too difficult to do. I would agree with you that I am sure that negotiating an appropriate fee won't be that big a deal, the certainty of a large payment is a big incentive.

If GT does not allow it then keep it low and speak directly to the girls only. No FKK club would be happy about girls taking clients from the club. Let's be real about that.

Rumours say that some girls were temporarily banned from GT not so long ago for something similar like that. An FKK club is not build for escort needs, please be aware of that before you focus too much on testing how far you can go.

[RyeHumor63]

You should try. I had more meetings with GT-girls outside the establishment. We didn't meet in GT, but somewhere outside, so we didn't have to pay entry fee. If you would spend few hours with a girl and pay by GT rates or about, a girl would probably agree.

GT have told me that directly that they don't allow it once the girl has entered the premises, so obviously if I am going to do this, I am going to have to be able to communicate with the lady directly prior to her arrival. I suppose that it isn't going to be too difficult to do. I would agree with you that I am sure that negotiating an appropriate fee won't be that big a deal, the certainty of a large payment is a big incentive.

[Itponaus]

Always interested in the experience of others, even while I make my own plans.

You should try. I had more meetings with GT-girls outside the establishment. We didn't meet in GT, but somewhere outside, so we didn't have to pay entry fee. If you would spend few hours with a girl and pay by GT rates or about, a girl would probably agree.

[RyeHumor63]

I was wondering whether any fellow members who have visited GT and have had positive outcomes have ever pursued escorting with a girl / girls outside of the establishment. In my last visit, I definitely got the feeling that if I offered a reasonable sum of money for an evening out, the younger ones at least, would do it. If you think that a lot of the girls start from 5/6 and work through the night, they could I suppose make E500/700 on an average evening. Have any tried this approach because at least with Mischa I am pretty sure, as she was intelligent, athletic and had confidence for a young women that she could just be fun outside of the establishment.

Always interested in the experience of others, even while I make my own plans.

[RyeHumor63]

Great write up Rye on your recent GT Vienna trip.

This Isabel that you went with, did she wear thick black framed glasses (with a nerdy look), long straight brown hair, Romanian with a slight British accent and has one of her arms covered in tattoos? If so then I've had the pleasure of bum fucking her as well in the past and looking forward to seeing her again on my next visit.

By the way, have seen a blond hottie there by the name of Iris. Natural B cups with big succulent nipples. Smoking hot facial features with cute slim bubble butt. Pretty tall, tanned with no visible tattoos. Says she's from Kiev but I doubt it. Hangs around with a short average looking dark haired brunette. Wonder if you've been with her and what your take is on her?

Howie.

Howie,

There are two women who look quite similar at Gt. Both are tattooed- one wears glasses and one doesn't. I have had sex with both. The difference between them is Isabel also has a knuckle tattoo that has fuck on it. If that is the lady then we've both explored the dark side- in the case of Iris. I call her ice queen Barbie. It was my intention this time to answer the same question that has perhaps been on tour mind but she was away perhaps returning in a few weeks. She does have a gorgeous face on a hot slim natural body and is with a girl who acts like her bodyguard. And is not my type. It will happen for sure on my next visit though if I start to find too many girls who I like to fuck and who like fucking me problems may ensue. Enjoy.

[Howie]

Isabel is 19 yrs old, currently has braces (which limits some of her services, notably french kissing) and is probably among the most tattooed girls in the place. She is also probably amongst the 3 slimmest girls and is quite tall at about 1. 71 cm. Her tattoos are prominent (I have them too) but tasteful

Great write up Rye on your recent GT Vienna trip.

This Isabel that you went with, did she wear thick black framed glasses (with a nerdy look), long straight brown hair, Romanian with a slight British accent and has one of her arms covered in tattoos? If so then I've had the pleasure of bum fucking her as well in the past and looking forward to seeing her again on my next visit.

By the way, have seen a blond hottie there by the name of Iris. Natural B cups with big succulent nipples. Smoking hot Barbie facial features with cute slim bubble butt. Pretty tall, tanned with no visible tattoos. Says she's from Kiev but I doubt it. Hangs around with a short average looking dark haired brunette. Wonder if you've been with her and what your take is on her?

Howie.

[RyeHumor63]

Hello Rye,

You start with one of the basic questions more or less discussed in a similar way in this forum and always exciting.

Comparison of FKK and luxus-brothel is tricky. Those locations are offering quite different ways of erotic. I also think that there are not a lot of mongers visiting both clubs frequently.

You can be sure both locations have regularly a great variety of good looking girls, maybe 30 up to 70 girls are there on duty every day and night. You won't find the perfect "Megan Fox" or "Scarlett Johannson" neither here or there but always someone with a shape you find attractive. And in both locations you get what you pay.

I'd like to summarize the locations as following. I know you are well-educated in GT but it's good to show you how is my opinion about both clubs..

Many thanks for the useful overview. Given I don't drink, and I don't really go out to socialize in the manner in which you describe, I guess for me it come down to whether a lady working at Babylon is going to turn out to be a different sort of experience for me, a guy who has had sex with a lot of high end escorts or not. When I have been in GT, as I described in my reports, I probably spend in total 2 hours with both girls, and though I think everything you say is quite accurate about the surroundings, I guess for me personally as long as the room is clean, presentable and my space is my own, I am less fussed about the quality of the linen. If Babylon really offered "erotic entertainment" as part of their set up (like Eyes Wide Shut if you get my drift), I could see the experience working out, but if I effectively going to get a basic sexual moment from an attractive lady for my 500 euros, I am not sure. Again, always appreciate sharing.

[RyeHumor63]

As I mentioned I have been back in Vienna over the weekend, and made my (now monthly) visit to Goldentime. I seem to now be "somewhat recognized", so this might be having a bearing on the way that I interact with some of the girls at the club so my experiences may not match those of others. Nevertheless here is how the night went.

Arrived at about 7:45 pm. Place was relatively busy, about 70 girls were working. As per usual about 85% of them were Romanian, with about 10% from Bulgaria and the remainder from Turkey, Hungary, and the Baltics. On this occasion I sat around a bit longer to survey the scene, and on reflection would say that the quality was not on the same level as on previous visits. The difference from my point of view (that some guys might prefer) is that there were more ladies present with natural breasts (many small), more ladies that I would describe as "average build" and many more with short hair styles. As I am a guy who favors slim, fit girls, more often enhanced, then natural, and girls with long to very long hair, I would say there were probably only about 8-10 present I was truly interested in.

On the night, I came into Goldentime with 2 different agendas, 1) participate in Anal and 2) see a girl who hadn't been working at Goldentime very long (ie a newbie).

For the first I ended up picking one of the wilder girls in the establishment who's real name is Isabel. I don't know what she calls herself otherwise. Isabel is 19 yrs old, currently has braces (which limits some of her services, notably french kissing) and is probably among the most tattooed girls in the place. She is also probably amongst the 3 slimmest girls and is quite tall at about 1. 71 cm. Her tattoos are prominent (I have them too) but tasteful, and well made and don't take anything away from her appeal (in my opinion at least).

I have had sex with Isabel before, so we are acquainted with each other, but I hadn't pursued a PSE type agenda with her before so this was a change with regards to this. Given this, this was not your ordinary punt. We went into one of the larger rooms on the main floor for an hour (actually a bit more) and the menu featured anal, CIM, fingering, rimming (me on her), and multiples (her), along with the other things (though kissing as I said was limiting). As a young women exactly finding Isabel's hot buttons wasn't easy, but the girl has a beautiful pussy and for me at least a pretty ideal body. Her tits are enhanced but her nipples are responsive and if you are persistent, things change with her.

In our experience, we started off with pretty traditional foreplay though for whatever reason, given this is a girl who will do anal, we didn't end up in 69 (note to oneself) but rather mutually served each other. My action on her got pretty intense and eventually I figured out exactly how I had to do the combination of licking, fingering and caressing to get her over the edge. In the end, it got to the point, where she actually started to guide me (which actually is what I want) presenting her clit to me and getting me to probe my fingers in the right place. After her climax she started to return the favor. Normally girls in GT basically jump on your cock with whatever is their preferred technique, but Isabel actually took her time, caressing my body with kisses, and nibbles before moving on to my cock where she has developed some of our own skills (I call them flutter tongue). She gave me plenty of eye contact during her blowjob and got me to the point where I was ready to enter her. We started off with her on top, which is my preferred anal position (BTW), and then moved to doggie (which she prefers). In doggie, we alternated between slow / deep, hard, and very / hard and eventually she came again, aiding herself with some clit caressing, while I was fingering her anus and fucking her at the same time.

We took a break after that and a clean up, and then decided to take on the anal challenge. She gave me a good blow job to get me very hard, and then after lots of lubing, we had a go. It was very tight at first, (she prefers it from the front with her butt off the ground) but gradually I got it 75% of the way in. We fucked like this for a good 10 minutes. Isabel started playing with her clit and fingering herself and at one point I had this beautiful sight in the mirror of me holding her legs at about 60% with my cock in her anus, her fingers in her pussy and her saying "fuck, fuck, fuck" - precious. I still hadn't come after this although I got very close (thanks kegel practice) so Isabel offered to finish with me coming in her mouth. Normally this is pretty tricky for me, but after another careful clean up, off she went without any hesitation (this was the first time for both of us BTW in the evening). This time she really kept the pressure up using her mouth and hands together, speeding up and slowing down, until I exploded into her mouth. She swallowed half of it, and the rest went back on me or into a tissue which was fine. She said it was a bit salty, probably because I hadn't had much to eat that day. Overall I would rate it an 8. 5/9, and I could see myself (despite her age) having sex with her again, maybe outside of Goldentime in the future, especially when she gets the braces off (though that will be a while). The overall cost for this was E360, as basically it was E120+E120 for anal + E120 for all other services I wanted to do outside of kissing, blowjob, normal sex (I. E. Rimming, fingering).

After this was over, I took a pretty long break in the club eating and just sitting around talking with some of the girls. I think I'm an unusual sort of guy for them, or so it seems, in that I originate from outside of Europe (North America to be precise) and I work out extremely hard. This isn't so common I guess and now that I have gone in 4 times, while I'll never be a regular, I've got some recognition.

So after 1. 5 hours of resting, I decided that I was going to go into a room with a young lady (23 yrs of age) called Misha who had been at Goldentime for 8 days. She is not new to the business mind you but fit my requirement never the less. It took us probably a good 30 minutes maybe longer to get a room (it was getting busier by 10:30 or so. Girl count probably at that point 80) so we got to know each other. Of the girls in the room, Misha is probably among the fittest, and I expect is going to be the fittest within the next month (if she listens to me). Looks wise, she is Romanian but actually looks much more Italian. She has a prominent but not unattractive nose, and I would describe her as pretty rather than stunning because she has many small features. Body wise she is 1. 69 without the outrageous heels, and I would say is a 32 b natural. Normally I don't go for natural breasts but Misha has perky tits, and the rest of her is first class (assuming you like fit girls / not muscular but toned).

This young lady is at least from what went on between us "a genuine" person. She is in the business to make money, but also wants to provide a good service. It is a case of good treatment leads to good outcomes as far as I am concerned. This experience was very different from Isabel, and much more like a true GFE. I got the negotiations out of the way early and we agreed on E200 (though I gave her more). I basically told her at the outset I wanted us to have a GFE type experience, and thus we took our time.

At the beginning of our time (an hour), we stood up away from the bed and just were kissing and caressing each other. It was slow, sensual and erotic stuff. In this kind of environment this is not necessarily easy to do, but Misha and I had a chemistry moment. (I know what it feels like) and we were kissing and tonguing and exploring each other (its nice when your both fit) for probably 15 minutes or more. During that time, besides kissing her breasts (and visa versa) and gently caressing each others genitals, we just were kissing, touching and teasing.

From this we went to mutual foreplay. I started matters by continuing pretty much where we left off except on the bed. Eventually I ended up tasting her sweet hole. It was pretty special, small, well formed and nicely wet. I took my time as I expected getting her to cum wasn't going to be easy, but slowly but surely first through licking, then through fingering and licking, and then through fingering and directly sucking, and kissing her bulb, she started to freely lubricate and orgasm. Some girls like Isabel orgasm with their legs pulled back, while for Misha she clamps her legs around your head, and lifts her butt into your face. During my foreplay on her, what I really liked (almost Brazilian like) was how she would push her pussy into my face, and grind herself on me.

After this was over, she returned the favor, pretty much doing so in the same (equivalent way) - lots of touching, caressing and exploring, not just my cock but my chest, arms, legs etc. Her technique is slow, and deep and she can actually nearly deep throat. When I was on the verge of cumming, we went to intercourse. The condom she had however was extremely tight and though we were going OK, it was actually choking off my blood flow quite a lot. Normally if I switch to spoons or missionary position I can get over this but not on top. This was a bit disappointing for both of us (note to myself bring larger condoms) but we went back to foreplay and eventually I had a really strong orgasm, a second for me in 3 hours or so, which is something unusual (which shows that our chemistry / compatibility was good). Overall 9/10 - (next time I come I will need to decide if I see her for Ina first who is my other favorite).

I left at about 12:30 pm having spent (as I suggested I would) E600 for the pleasure. I don't know what the attitude of some of the girls is to escorting but I am tempted to find out as some of them I would take out in Vienna or elsewhere just to have experiences with them outside of the establishment environment so to speak. Perhaps our administrator can fill me in.

[Yayagu33]

I am returning to Vienna on my way back to the Czech Republic this weekend. As there is at least 2 blondes at GT that I didn't see on my visit that I wanted to spend time with, I am likely to go back again. However, there have been some recent (albeit mixed) reports on Babylon and thus was interested in the relative merits. Given that when I go to GT I end up spending roughly E600-750 Euros in one evening, I could obviously do the same at Babylon but it would effectively be for a single lady rather than for 3 - thus she would need to be pretty special (in a variety of ways) to justify the investment. Given I was just in Barcelona and thus have had my fill (you can read my reports) on Latin girls, that wouldn't be tempting, but if I had the chance to meet a really special German or Scandinavian lady at Babylon, (as I know I won't find them at GT (or at least haven't yet), that might tilt me toward having an evening there before I return.

Can any who have visited in the last weeks give me a sense, beyond the recent reports on finding access to the above. I will of course write up my reports regardless of the decision I take.

I am returning to Vienna on my way back to the Czech Republic this weekend. As there is at least 2 blondes at GT that I didn't see on my visit that I wanted to spend time with, I am likely to go back again. However, there have been some recent (albeit mixed) reports on Babylon and thus was interested in the relative merits. Given that when I go to GT I end up spending roughly E600-750 Euros in one evening, I could obviously do the same at Babylon but it would effectively be for a single lady rather than for 3 - thus she would need to be pretty special (in a variety of ways) to justify the investment. Given I was just in Barcelona and thus have had my fill (you can read my reports) on Latin girls, that wouldn't be tempting, but if I had the chance to meet a really special German or Scandinavian lady at Babylon, (as I know I won't find them at GT (or at least haven't yet), that might tilt me toward having an evening there before I return.

Can any who have visited in the last weeks give me a sense, beyond the recent reports on finding access to the above. I will of course write up my reports regardless of the decision I take.

Hello Rye,

You start with one of the basic questions more or less discussed in a similar way in this forum and always exciting.

Comparison of FKK and luxus-brothel is tricky. Those locations are offering quite different ways of erotic. I also think that there are not a lot of mongers visiting both clubs frequently.

You can be sure both locations have regularly a great variety of good looking girls, maybe 30 up to 70 girls are there on duty every day and night. You won't find the perfect "Megan Fox" or "Scarlett Johannson" neither here or there but always someone with a shape you find attractive. And in both locations you get what you pay.

I'd like to summarize the locations as following. I know you are well-educated in GT but it's good to show you how is my opinion about both clubs.

Babylon is a nightclub in a very luxury setting: Excellent and served food, huge variety of alcoholic drinks (both included when you go to the room), girls are trimmed in sexy dresses, drink with you and spend also more time with your before and sometimes afterwards the room. You will spend 60 minutes for a fix amount (500, or you spend much more time if you like duos or girls in a serial manner. However as Babylon is expensive most people go there to have one girl for one hour. Minimum standard is BJ without condom. It is not the place to find special services even if they are girls do more. The huge rooms are like bedrooms of Indian palaces. Babylon is also good for having a night with your best friend or a couple of folks, maybe also to celebrate something, but of course you can go there alone and have fun, too. You might stay long after midnight and you could be also very drunken if you like the offered spirits. Don't go by car to Babylon.

Goldentime is a saunaclub where you might be also only for a sexy afternoon or relaxing early night session. The club is not luxury but in a good shape. If you like also some sauna and relaxing with reading newspapers, lying inside or outside in the sun, this is the place to go. You won't drink much alcohol generally. Arriving by car is welcomed and a huge parking lot is in front of it. They offer canteen food sometimes also barbecue but quality is generally low. The small rooms are just one bed to do the thing you want to do. You like to leave early afterwards. Girls are naked or just dressed with sexy lingerie or a belt, are hurtling around, try to speak with you. Sometimes a little too much. Empathy of girls is lower but not bad at all. Minimum standard is BJ with / without condom. If you like to find out girls with specific services (anal etc.) it is easy to find someone who offers it. You might spend low costs for each girls for 30 minutes sessions. You pay more for extra services. You might have duos for 30 or 60 minutes or also serial girls one after another. Most guys go there for two 30 minutes sessions with two different girls. It is not a location for partying or getting drunken even if they offer a VIP room.

However Rye, spending 500 or 600 Euro per night will offer you a complete different world of sex.

[HotRodd8]

Does anyone know of any high quality escorts who allow in-call. I've been to FKKs in Vienna, but wanted to try something different on my next trip.

I'm ready to spend up to 250 euros per hour. Or even more if the girl is a stunner.