Vienna

[Massimo Potente]

It would be easy to say that what GT needs is viable competition. But, the competition is not only for us, the customers, it's also for the finite number of girls who want to maximize their profits. Sauna clubs who want to compete with GT need to reduce prices while providing a work environment for the girls at least as good as GT. If a club wanted to attract customers by prohibiting the girls from upcharging, why would girls stay there when GT allows them to upcharge, or at least looks the other way?

In my own case, I have to remind myself that Vienna isn't Germany, where there is an FKK on almost every street corner (obviously exaggerating! Vienna, in one metropolitan area, has a wide variety of consenting adult options. One could make the argument that Vienna doesn't need the sauna clubs at all. There are numerous other options for spontaneous activities: night clubs, studios and even the peep show. With planning, there is ample opportunities to set up an escort. Perhaps the completion is not between a new sauna club and GT. It's between a new sauna club and everything else.

I agree with almost all you're saying.

I think we have reached a point in which all that clubs can do is wait and survive the crisis and the circumstances which are dire. Goal number 1 is to make the best and most motivated ladies feel comfortable and customer traffic so strong, so that overcharging is not necessary. How? I truly don't know.

But the most resilient clubs will pull through and most I assume that a few will give up. Prices being higher now is not going to be a problem as long as quality is also stable.

[MonSooner]

I m a foreigner, but not Asian nor a brothels tourist and I know how to talk to women. I really enjoyed with Iranian Sepid at GT, extreme GFE for 200/60 . I m pretty sure if we meet again, she would not ask for more, but would prefer we repeat again beyond her taboos.

I am sure you'll do all right. I doubt though that Sepid is currently at GT. And for the record, even though she might have Itanian roots, she is from Romania.

I think most people who use this forum are not seasoned and very experienced like you. And therefore I think it is important to tell them what can happen and what to expect.

All things considered, GT is still the same as it always was, just the experience will not be the same and neither are the prices.

YMMV and there is no doubt in my mind that some guys will have the time of their life. But others won't. I know that people are looking for easy answers and solutions but when things get complicated, it is good to hear more than one opinion.

[Sirioja]

At GT most girls will try to take advantage of tourists without any scruples. Price for half an hour is supposed to be 70 but they will probably decline if you insist. We know of girls that charged up to 300 for half an hour, mostly trying to fool Asians. Better watch out in that case.

I m a foreigner, but not Asian nor a brothels tourist and I know how to talk to women. I really enjoyed with Iranian Sepid at GT, extreme GFE for 200/60 . I m pretty sure if we meet again, she would not ask for more, but would prefer we repeat again beyond her taboos.

[Max #01]

I am not so sure that this is universally true. I feel that things will balance themselves out sooner or later. But I agree that certainly some clubs were to cheap to begin with. 70 for half an hour at GT is not sustainable in 2024 and beyond and neither is 150 or more. I think an established straight 100 would do the trick but that is wishful thinking. I just don't know how one would sell this restriction to the girls.

I also don't see how places like Residenz could handle the overcharging of extras and get that under control again. Overall there is a lot of price madness going on to make the girls happy.

It would be easy to say that what GT needs is viable competition. But, the competition is not only for us, the customers, it's also for the finite number of girls who want to maximize their profits. Sauna clubs who want to compete with GT need to reduce prices while providing a work environment for the girls at least as good as GT. If a club wanted to attract customers by prohibiting the girls from upcharging, why would girls stay there when GT allows them to upcharge, or at least looks the other way?

In my own case, I have to remind myself that Vienna isn't Germany, where there is an FKK on almost every street corner (obviously exaggerating! Vienna, in one metropolitan area, has a wide variety of consenting adult options. One could make the argument that Vienna doesn't need the sauna clubs at all. There are numerous other options for spontaneous activities: night clubs, studios and even the peep show. With planning, there is ample opportunities to set up an escort. Perhaps the completion is not between a new sauna club and GT. It's between a new sauna club and everything else.

[Massimo Potente]

I noticed that Wellcum has increased their pricing too, from 70 to 80 for half an hour. Everything is getting more expensive and it was expected that over time everybody in the industry will have to raise prices to not lose girls. It makes sense to me what MassimoPotente wrote.

Wellcum is not in Vienna but I get your point.

More on topic and relevant is the most recent increase of the entry fee in GT since we are talking about FKK clubs in this case.

In GT the entry fee is now 95 for a one-time ticket or you can buy 6 for 500 which is 83,34 per ticket. This is a hefty increase for the regulars. Before the pandemic we used to pay 400 for 6 tickets which was like 66 each and then 500 for 7 tickets which was like 71. It is what it is.

[HelloTitty]

I noticed that Wellcum has increased their pricing too, from 70 to 80 for half an hour. Everything is getting more expensive and it was expected that over time everybody in the industry will have to raise prices to not lose girls. It makes sense to me what MassimoPotente wrote.

[MonSooner]

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.

I am not so sure that this is universally true. I feel that things will balance themselves out sooner or later. But I agree that certainly some clubs were to cheap to begin with. 70 for half an hour at GT is not sustainable in 2024 and beyond and neither is 150 or more. I think an established straight 100 would do the trick but that is wishful thinking. I just don't know how one would sell this restriction to the girls.

I also don't see how places like Residenz could handle the overcharging of extras and get that under control again. Overall there is a lot of price madness going on to make the girls happy.

[Fuschlszg]

I don't think that the sex industry is a market like other markets in which "supply and demand" apply perfectly. I would argue that the pandemic had a lasting effect which can hardly be overcome and is to all our detriment and it has become even more apparent that this is not your typical market of goods and services that will react to economic laws logically or perfectly. At the minimum I can say that it is not working as you would expect even if you have all the academic degrees.

In short the pandemic has hurt the "middle man" which in our case is the clubs. Agencies still existed but to a lesser extent, they could still operate but faced a massive challenge. With all clubs being shut down with the proverbial hammer the girls had to become independent and quickly found that now they can charge the same as an agency or club would. The premium in their pockets was used to pay police penalties because it is illegal in Austria to welcome clients at your home. As a result, the clients and the ladies now are used to dealing with each other directly and the clubs have become less frequented by girls and boys partly because of that.

When clubs reopened it seemed for a second that everyone would run to the clubs and meet there but it wasn't the case. In hindsight it is obvious why, but it wasn't so obvious back then.

In order to attract girls the clubs need to improve the working place for the ladies. So what has the boss of a saunaclub to offer to a girl to attract her and make her work there? It can only be financial bait.

1. she can charge more or even better, she can charge whatever she pleases.

2. her entry fee is lower.

Seeing that the best client in a saunaclub is the girl and not the male client, you can probably guess who is more important to the owner of a saunaclub. After all, a girl is the best returning customer for the FKK club. She can work up to 30 days a month.

I could come up with stronger and more controversial reasons to justify and explain higher prices. How about if I said that the prices were to cheap to begin with and are now "normal".

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.

Thanks Maximo for the explanation.

Everything that you argue makes sense.

Nevertheless, guessing the future, I am not sure if this move to "independent" would benefit on a long term basis the girls. If they stay independent they must have a stable and reliable base of customers to keep their income and in fact clubs provide a sort of "security" (job and income) which cannot be neglected.

Pandemic causes strong disruption in some business but things smoothly came back to as it was previously.

I am particularly concerned with the decrease of available girls in the most exclusive clubs which on a certain extend affects the customer experience, hope that they would not disappear and reinvent themselves to keep attractive.

On FKK clubs, seems that line-up has not been so hardly affected but upselling is now the standard and not the exception.

[Hammer893]

Dear Tintin1,

Thank you for your inputs, it is highly appreciated.

I checked out the website of Peepshow it would be around 30 minutes by public transport, just like you indicated.

About Peepshow, the girls which seemed interesting according to my liking:

1. Patricia & Angel. Young but lacking some quality services.

2. Isabel. Mature and experienced offers anal but no COF.

3. Deea. Exprienced offers DT and COF.

4. Adelle. Young tight with COF.

Just a quick question on the charges, it shows 55 euros for sex, so do we have to pay extra for the oral?

Thank you once again for you help.

Happy Mongering.

Read the various reports on Peepshow Wien. They book in 15 minute increments. And it's easily reachable by public transport in under 30 minutes. The building is on a main area. V safe. And the place has nice little rooms to use. For $100 you could def have fun for a tiny bit more. You could have two sessions.

The other great thing about the laufhuser is that you walk through and if you don't find what you want you haven't spent any money!

[Massimo Potente]

Nevertheless. Considering that sex industry is a market, with "supply" and "demand" like others markets, what social factors or market forces explain this rise on prices after the pandemic, social life is back to normal.

I don't think that the sex industry is a market like other markets in which "supply and demand" apply perfectly. I would argue that the pandemic had a lasting effect which can hardly be overcome and is to all our detriment and it has become even more apparent that this is not your typical market of goods and services that will react to economic laws logically or perfectly. At the minimum I can say that it is not working as you would expect even if you have all the academic degrees.

In short the pandemic has hurt the "middle man" which in our case is the clubs. Agencies still existed but to a lesser extent, they could still operate but faced a massive challenge. With all clubs being shut down with the proverbial hammer the girls had to become independent and quickly found that now they can charge the same as an agency or club would. The premium in their pockets was used to pay police penalties because it is illegal in Austria to welcome clients at your home. As a result, the clients and the ladies now are used to dealing with each other directly and the clubs have become less frequented by girls and boys partly because of that.

When clubs reopened it seemed for a second that everyone would run to the clubs and meet there but it wasn't the case. In hindsight it is obvious why, but it wasn't so obvious back then.

In order to attract girls the clubs need to improve the working place for the ladies. So what has the boss of a saunaclub to offer to a girl to attract her and make her work there? It can only be financial bait.

1. she can charge more or even better, she can charge whatever she pleases.

2. her entry fee is lower.

Seeing that the best client in a saunaclub is the girl and not the male client, you can probably guess who is more important to the owner of a saunaclub. After all, a girl is the best returning customer for the FKK club. She can work up to 30 days a month.

I could come up with stronger and more controversial reasons to justify and explain higher prices. How about if I said that the prices were to cheap to begin with and are now "normal".

Be it as it may. The higher prices are about to stay.

[Fuschlszg]

Nay-sayers" and non-reporting" LOL.

Most people will not get your reference but I think I do, though. Most people don't seem to see how the sex industry has changed since the pandemic. Not a single club is the same since then.

Some examples:

Goldentime before Corona: half an hour 70 - now 100 maybe but probably 150-200 if you are not a local regular customer.

Babylon before Corona: 1 hour 500 and 15-30 girls. Now 600 or 650 per hour and sometimes no available girls at all. Club closes at 02:00.

Funpalast before Corona: mildly successful, half hour 60 - now girls charge what they want and club closure around the corner.

Maxim before Corona: no entry fee and 20-30 girls 200 each hour. Now 10-15 girls (lineup has slowly grown for the better) 1 hour 220..

Nevertheless. Considering that sex industry is a market, with "supply" and "demand" like others markets, what social factors or market forces explain this rise on prices after the pandemic, social life is back to normal.

[Tintin1]

Dear fellow mongers of Wien.

Since I will be located near Leopoldstadt, I could only see the nearest options of Zollgasse3 and Juchgasse. But both seem to pretty expensive or I am unaware of the modus operandi.

Since my budget would be max 100 Euros for 30 - 40 mins, could you please suggest similar places in the vicinity?

Your help would highly appreciated.

Thank you.

Read the various reports on Peepshow Wien. They book in 15 minute increments. And it's easily reachable by public transport in under 30 minutes. The building is on a main area. V safe. And the place has nice little rooms to use. For $100 you could def have fun for a tiny bit more. You could have two sessions.

The other great thing about the laufhäuser is that you walk through and if you don't find what you want you haven't spent any money!

[Hammer893]

Dear fellow mongers of Wien.

Wie geht es ihnen? (how are you?

Planning a visit to your esteemed country and would be in Vienna.

Since I have a very limited time in your wodnerful town I would like to plan out my mongering visit.

Since I will be located near Leopoldstadt, I could only see the nearest options of Zollgasse3 and Juchgasse. But both seem to pretty expensive or I am unaware of the modus operandi.

Since my budget would be max 100 Euros for 30 - 40 mins, could you please suggest similar places in the vicinity?

Your help would highly appreciated.

Thank you.

[MonSooner]

You mean Golden Time is now 150 or 200 for 30 mn? A long time there, Anita silicon is at Freubad since Summer, for less than 200/60 . Maxim for 220/60 now? But no entry to pay? Only worthing for really pretties really kissing and BBBJ.

At GT most girls will try to take advantage of tourists without any scruples. Price for half an hour is supposed to be 70€ but they will probably decline if you insist. We know of girls that charged up to 300 for half an hour, mostly trying to fool Asians. Better watch out in that case.

[Sirioja]

Nay-sayers" and non-reporting" LOL.

Most people will not get your reference but I think I do, though. Most people don't seem to see how the sex industry has changed since the pandemic. Not a single club is the same since then.

Some examples:

Goldentime before Corona: half an hour 70 - now 100 maybe but probably 150-200 if you are not a local regular customer.

Babylon before Corona: 1 hour 500 and 15-30 girls. Now 600 or 650 per hour and sometimes no available girls at all. Club closes at 02:00.

Funpalast before Corona: mildly successful, half hour 60 - now girls charge what they want and club closure around the corner.

Maxim before Corona: no entry fee and 20-30 girls 200 each hour. Now 10-15 girls (lineup has slowly grown for the better) 1 hour 220.

What I want to say is that we have to deal with whatever cards we are dealt and enjoy the clubs who are still surviving. As clients we should not expect an impossible standard.

You mean Golden Time is now 150 or 200 for 30 mn? A long time there, Anita silicon is at Freubad since Summer, for less than 200/60 . Maxim for 220/60 now? But no entry to pay? Only worthing for really pretties really kissing and BBBJ.