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[Pistons]

Do you mean Palace in Frankfurt? From Wengen to there, my google maps tells me its a 4 h 38 m drive. A bit stiff for an apres ski don't you think?

I look at skiresort.info and google maps to find the top ski resorts myself. Looking at km of intermediate and expert slopes. But it doesn't make the correct picture always. And slope length can be off. As well as some resorts actually being divided in two, while others not including all, even after a lift upgrade. But wengen does seem more hyped than the info suggests. Even if the world cup competition does make it seem great. For Switzerland I've more looked at verbier and zermatt as well as laax. Ischgl is the best resort I have ever been to though. But location compared to FKK's doesn't seem the best for many of the swizz resorts. Although Ischgl to Circolo Passion is just an hour. Even if you go to Zurich afterwards, driving in Switzerland can take time.

[Dubner32]

Pistos,

The Nassfeld / Wellcum combo remains my top ski / fun fav. Though this season Wengen / Palace came close. Brilliant sunny days piste cruising under the Eiger Nordwand followed by Evelyn / Aida trio. That's the life. Though shame the Lauterbrunnen / Gisikon drive is quite so long. Compare notes next winter?

[Pistons]

Well that was a Nassfeld ski resort review. What happened to the headline I tried to add?

[Pistons]

At least that is what they claim. And frankly, I was not at all disappointed either. They say there is more sun on the south side of the alps than on the north side. So even if the resorts are not as big on the south side (including Italy except Sella Ronda), and if we look away from the larger resorts to the west on the french border.

I cannot remember having seen as much clear sky every single day for a full week while skiing / snowboarding before. It was not a single cloud all week.

The resort is probably the best there is if you want to end up at Wellcum or Andiamo later at night. And looking at the plans forward, they want to build a gondola from the Italian border town of Pontebba also. When done, that would cut the travel time down to Marina (if or when it reopens) down to just 1 h and 20 min. From Nassfeld to Wellcum it currently takes 40 minutes to drive.

It is a good size lift system with 110 km of slopes. And before going I compared it to Kronplatz in Italy. From my personal point of view it looks like it is almost identical in terms of size and modernness. Both places do lack in off piste opportunities, but the prepped slopes are good. Kronplatz may have more good restaurants however. At Nassfeld there are both the too expensive terrible food options, as well as two or three really good restaurants up in the slopes. A few of which are across the Italian border. Thankfully, if ending the day at Wellcum, good food won't be lacking! Yes, there is currently also 1 lift on the Italian side. And that is where they want to expand the system also. The best restaurant I found was restaurant 1 on the 2018/19 piste map. Half way down Garnitzen Alm. But the restaurant is so popular also, that it was though to get a seat there!

The best slopes were the FIS slope 1. As well as the 3/4 slope down Watschiger Alm. A lift up Auernig is also the next expansion plan, and should be a good choice given the proximity to slope 3 and 4.

The slopes on the main side (lift 10 and 25) were not too interesting. But mainly due to too many people skiing there, so the slopes got way too bumpy. Slope 7, 8 and 9 was also good, although not too steep. The terrain and view there was good. And while the view at slope 50 and 51 was not the best, the slopes there were quite good before too many people had ruined them and made them into moguls, like on the main side (lift 10 and 25). Lift 21,22 and 23 had the shadow valley problem. So not too good sight. At least towards the end of the day. But some runs there are steep, so you can get good speeds! The well marketed Carnia run at 8 km was fine, although not very good for snowboarding (low inclination in parts). It did make me tired. But mainly due to the lower side of slope having melted a bit. So the snow was very slushy on the lower 200-300 height meters. Which is below everything else in the slope system at Nassfeld.

All in all I felt I didn't need to go elsewhere. And the proximity to Villach is really nice. I would rate the resort on the same level as Penken in Mayrhofen, or Zillertal Arena. Not as good as Ischgl, but cheaper.

[Massimo Potente]

Massimo,

I have been to a few places like these sexbars you mention. But in Germany. Berlin or Frankfurt. And every time I get the sense of a high scam factor. Are you saying these Austrian sexbar places are not scam joints?

Why would they be scam joints? The ones I mentioned are of course legit. And so are most of the others as well.

[Pistons]

Massimo,

I have been to a few places like these sexbars you mention. But in Germany. Berlin or Frankfurt. And every time I get the sense of a high scam factor. Are you saying these Austrian sexbar places are not scam joints?

[MonSooner]

Not that I agree with all the numbers / estimations but as far as context is concerned I think you are spot on.

And don't forget Pasha club which is very popular where ever they pop up. Best one is probably in Kln Germany. Not that I want to compare Germany to Austria, don't worry! Pasha in Salzburg is the best one the chain in Austria AFAIK.

[Massimo Potente]

MP,

See your comment 'prefer normal traditional clubs over FKK'. Not clear which type of club you are suggesting. Please give some suggestions or examples. Thanks, D.

In all of Austria there are not more than 15 FKK clubs. Off the top of my head I count 12 but I might have forgotten some. Some of those FKKs are very small and almost not relevant in the greater brothel scheme. Those 15 FKKs can't occupy more than 600-700 sexworkers because some of them are pretty small and often have less than 20 girls on average. With a couple thousand registered sexworkers in Austria, I estimate 7000+ of them, the market share of FKKs is a generous estimation of 10% max. By far the biggest of all of them (considered by many to be the best club in Europe) is FKK Wellcum. But Austrians don't really go there. Wellcum and Andiamo merely exist because of the nearby Italian border and also Slovenia and Croatia being close.

That leaves a rest of a few thousand sexworkers and all the other punters spreading among all the other places. A few dozen Laufhauses, a dozen Peepshows, a few hundreds sexbars and a few hundred sex studios and massage parlors. Those sexbars are what I consider the original sexclubs which is also why I said traditional clubs. Those are bars in which there is music, drinks, maybe pole dancing and rooms on sight. Sometimes there is food but mostly there isn't. Sexbars are by far the preferred clubs for us Austrians.

The best and most famous ones are Babylon, Casabianca, Maxim, Carisma and too many more to mention. Also Circolo Passion has a beauty of a sexbar next to the FKK part of it.

Don't compare the German FKK landscape to the Austrian one. They couldn't be more different.

[TheRugdr]

Circolo is a good club and definitely better than many German clubs. Makes no sense at all to make that general comparision. Comparing to the very best German, Swisss or Austrian clubs, of course Circolo is not on the same level but then again, as I said multiple times, there also isn't a demand for that many FKK clubs in Austria because we really prefer normal tradional clubs over FKK. When in Innsbruck, Circolo is absolutely among the best choices that you have unless you have a private plane or helicopter at your disposal to quickly do some light late-evening-brothel-hopping across the alps or whatever.

I just discovered Circolo a couple days ago and though it was great. It definitely exceeded my expectations. (I reported on it in the Tirol thread here).

[Dubner32]

MP,

See your comment 'prefer normal traditional clubs over FKK'. Not clear which type of club you are suggesting. Please give some suggestions or examples. Thanks, D.

[Massimo Potente]

Was there around then, 1st and last time. Of course taste thing, but pretty dismal lineup, barely warm jacuzzi, all too expensive for little quality. German clubs much better.

Circolo is a good club and definitely better than many German clubs. Makes no sense at all to make that general comparision. Comparing to the very best German, Swisss or Austrian clubs, of course Circolo is not on the same level but then again, as I said multiple times, there also isn't a demand for that many FKK clubs in Austria because we really prefer normal tradional clubs over FKK. When in Innsbruck, Circolo is absolutely among the best choices that you have unless you have a private plane or helicopter at your disposal to quickly do some light late-evening-brothel-hopping across the alps or whatever.

[Nooky Ninja]

My first visits to CP. Summary upfront: Fine facilities, good food, quality girls.

Was there around then, 1st and last time. Of course taste thing, but pretty dismal lineup, barely warm jacuzzi, all too expensive for little quality. German clubs much better.

[Pistons]

Girls: About 20.2-3 hot ones. Jasmine being a 9 for looks. Most girls were not too attractive, with the range going all the way from 3-9. Soraya has apparently moved on to better pastures. I wonder where she is now, but it has been months since she was last at Andiamo.

Food: Wine for dinner was not too bad. Food was better than at GT Vienna, but far far below Wellcum. Chef had a bit of lazy attitude with other mongers when asked about stuff.

Didn't try the milking table option, but I wonder if the big tits MILF is the masseuse. If that is the case, then I missed out on something. She did have that erotic professional kinky look to her!

Was it worth it? 85 entry for this club seems me to be too much. Sure you can enjoy beautiful Jasmine if she is your type, and try the milking table. But don't expect the world. And I was told that all the girls that had been there last summer had now moved on to other clubs. Such as Wellcum where great girls like Gya and Mischa are both ex Andiamo. Gya especially has a great attitude and looks very sweet.

[Nr 71]

I am visiting the Graz-area in the start of May. I have visited german FKK's through the years, and my favorites are the big ones. I prefer Sharks in Darmstadt before Artemis in Berlin, and think the small FKK's are a little boring compared to the bigger ones.

I don't know yet if I am flying in to Munchen or Vienna, hiring a car. What would you suggest as the best FKK between Munchen-Vienna-Graz? Open for all suggestions.

[Dubner32]

My first visits to CP. Summary upfront: Fine facilities, good food, quality girls.

Found CP in shopping / industrial area to East of Innsbruck. Private parking. Entry E80. Stylish modern medium size club well decorated, helpful English speaking reception. The club in the same general style as Wellcum.

It is a contact club but FKK so main bar had about 25 girls displaying their bodies; some using towels for slight cover. Probably about 40 'on duty'; good balance with number of clients. Smoking allowed in main room but very high ceiling meant air quality OK. Perhaps because girls generally high quality appearance it seemed easy to approach, talk, linger or move on. Maybe my problem at contact system Atlantis was the thought of getting stuck with a lemon. Although some may not be to my taste, all the girls at CP were 'doable'. Girls also at central bar, so easy to chat with while ordering drinks. For me, a contact system that works.

Porno kino and restaurant on ground floor. Cold buffet style with cooked meal after 1800. Heavy Italian presence among clients, as Wellcum, due easy connection and proximity to border.

Small Wellness area upstairs with all facilities, plentiful towels on hand. Also outside sun terrace with second jaccuzi. Good quality rooms, all with shower, both up and downstairs.

Girls: Mainly Ro. , no surprise! I had appointment with fav from another club, Lorena, 21, probably youngest girl I have been with. Petite frame with flawless fresh skin; large handful natural swinging boobs; sweet, sweet pussy; 3 years in the business so knows the job; only light kisser; no fingers in. Light upselling, suggestion 'smoke' on offer. Young girl manners in some ways (phone etc) but a real joy to feast on that delicious body.

Also sessioned with Vanessa; good fun and another, name forgotten. Price E70/30.

Would definitely go again. I usually travel from Italy so may choose to visit Innsbruck rather than Villach (Wellcum / Andiamo) for a change. If I lived anywhere near Lago di Garda / Verona, I would be a regular.