Paris

[VictorHugo99]

Thanks DD92 for good perspective.

Let's wait for the COVID19 situation to tide over. Hope things improve soon.

Vic.

It's true that all the number I took are random (except the number of announces on sexemodel). But that was just to put the "4000" clients fined in perspective, to have an idea of what this number represents. It could look like a big number, but I find it relatively small when you put it in perspective. I might be 1000 or 2000 off of the real number of girls on sexemodel. And maybe you're right and they never get more than 1 client a week. But even so, the chances to be fined looks small enough to dismiss it (otherwise I guess none of us would be here But maybe I'm wrong and time will tell.

Yup you're right, thanks for pointing it out. But the thing is, the cyber police in France is busy enough with pedophiles, organised crime, cyber crime, etc. Without in addition having to care about prostitutes clients. That's why the only options for the cops to actually catch a monger is to keep watch over streetwalkers and intervene when the guys pays up.

Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.

[Sirioja]

Which is why I'm always wary of profiles on 6 annonce with a French phone number and comments like "Pas de response" I. E. "No response".

Also, I notice the photos are typically of unrealistically beautiful girls with descriptions English like "I am a beautiful girl who likes to take care of my customers blah blah blah. ".

Not saying that real beautiful girls don't sometimes work in Paris, but is it a coincidence that the girls with the same formula (French number, English description starting with "I am a beautiful / sexy / nice girl. ") are always the best looking ones, and always with a comment saying "Pas de response" (I. E. No response)?

Needless to say, I almost always avoid contacting any escorts on 6 annonce with a French phone number. Not saying that they are all fake (I am sure there are some girl who come to France and get a French SIM card), but I don't like to waste my time with a profile that has a high probability of being fake.

Some real Russian escorts or even rdv4u have french number, even stroll.xxx, and no fake. But yes, many fakes on 6 annonce and no french beauty but Asian, Arab or black girls on wannonce or those kind of sites. French beauties don't work for 100/30 or 150/60 .

[Sirioja]

Don't kid yourself.

The 2016 law wasn't about legalizing prostitution.

It is about trying to end prostitution and one of the articles made it illegal to pay for sex:

Translated that reads:

Good luck to convince the Police or the Judge that you shouldn't be fined because "Prostitution is still legal".

I'm French, I'm used to work with laws. Prostitution is legal in private places in France and yes, clients can be prosecuted, but a bit complicated when meeting escort in apartment. I think police have many other more important problems in France, even they always run after money they can catch.

[BaltiX]

I found this article while doing research about police arresting a pimp in a distant Parisian suburb:https://www.leparisien.fr/seine-et-m...9-8154459.php. According to the translation the girls were advertised on Wannonce and fined several buyers, but only after noticing many people coming in and out of a hotel room and doing an investigation. I think the lesson is to see escorts at private apartments or hotels at cities.

[Siggleii]

Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.

Which is why I'm always wary of profiles on 6 annonce with a French phone number and comments like "Pas de response" I. E. "No response".

Also, I notice the photos are typically of unrealistically beautiful girls with descriptions English like "I am a beautiful girl who likes to take care of my customers blah blah blah. ".

Not saying that real beautiful girls don't sometimes work in Paris, but is it a coincidence that the girls with the same formula (French number, English description starting with "I am a beautiful / sexy / nice girl. ") are always the best looking ones, and always with a comment saying "Pas de response" (I. E. No response)?

Needless to say, I almost always avoid contacting any escorts on 6 annonce with a French phone number. Not saying that they are all fake (I am sure there are some girl who come to France and get a French SIM card), but I don't like to waste my time with a profile that has a high probability of being fake.

[BaltiX]

I thought it was less than 4000 people who got fined. Police strings like in USA is illegal in France IIRC.

[DecadentDude92]

I think your statistics are waaaaaaay off.

Girls advertising on websites have 3 customers a day? The average girl on a website will be happy to get a reply at all and if she scores a trick once a week, she'd be happy to no end.

How do I know? I used these websites and never ever had a problem to get a date at any moment I liked. This means that the girls cannot be too busy, can they? And when getting to know them a bit better, most said they advertised on multiple sites, got a lot of failed rendez-vous and all had to work regular jobs to make ends meet.

The truth is that nobody knows the size of the "market", so all guesses are equally wrong.

It's true that all the number I took are random (except the number of announces on sexemodel). But that was just to put the "4000" clients fined in perspective, to have an idea of what this number represents. It could look like a big number, but I find it relatively small when you put it in perspective. I might be 1000 or 2000 off of the real number of girls on sexemodel. And maybe you're right and they never get more than 1 client a week. But even so, the chances to be fined looks small enough to dismiss it (otherwise I guess none of us would be here But maybe I'm wrong and time will tell.

And one final point about "you have to be caught in the act". "Act" does not mean "sex". It means "offering a prostitute a remuneration for sex". An SMS, email, phone call, an overheard discussion in a bar or club, . All these can be used against you. "Caveat Emptor" as the Ancients used to say!

Yup you're right, thanks for pointing it out. But the thing is, the cyber police in France is busy enough with pedophiles, organised crime, cyber crime, etc. Without in addition having to care about prostitutes clients. That's why the only options for the cops to actually catch a monger is to keep watch over streetwalkers and intervene when the guys pays up.

Theoretically, they could set up false announces and catch you when you show up. But it sounds like a lot of work and resources (need an apartment and a team to stay inside), and I never heard of such a thing.

[Wolvenvacht]

Impacts for mongers: you can now be fined. About 4000 clients have been fined in France, in 2017. But you have to be caught in the act, so if you don't go for streetwalkers, you should be fine. Also, those numbers look really small: There are 15.000 announces on sexemodel in France. Let's say 3/4 are fake, that leave about 4000 working girls (not counting streetwalkers, and girls advertising on other websites). Let's say a girl has at least 3 clients per day. 365 days a year. This makes about 3180.000 mongers a year. Just for sexemodel. So the 4000 guys that where fined represent about 0,13% of the clients.

I think your statistics are waaaaaaay off.

Girls advertising on websites have 3 customers a day? The average girl on a website will be happy to get a reply at all and if she scores a trick once a week, she'd be happy to no end.

How do I know? I used these websites and never ever had a problem to get a date at any moment I liked. This means that the girls cannot be too busy, can they? And when getting to know them a bit better, most said they advertised on multiple sites, got a lot of failed rendez-vous and all had to work regular jobs to make ends meet.

The truth is that nobody knows the size of the "market", so all guesses are equally wrong.

And one final point about "you have to be caught in the act". "Act" does not mean "sex". It means "offering a prostitute a remuneration for sex". An SMS, email, phone call, an overheard discussion in a bar or club, . All these can be used against you. "Caveat Emptor" as the Ancients used to say!

[Wolvenvacht]

But prostitution is still legal in France. On next day after confined, 12 May, I saw girls working in streets with no mask, close to Longchamp horses races field, close to very expensive Paris district for more than 20 000 / meter square.

Don't kid yourself.

The 2016 law wasn't about legalizing prostitution.

It is about trying to end prostitution and one of the articles made it illegal to pay for sex:

Art. 611-1.-Le fait de solliciter, d'accepter ou d'obtenir des relations de nature sexuelle d'une personne qui se livre la prostitution, y compris de faon occasionnelle, en change d'une rmunration, d'une promesse de rmunration, de la fourniture d'un avantage en nature ou de la promesse d'un tel avantage est puni de l'amende prvue pour les contraventions de la cinquime classe.

Translated that reads:

Art. 611-1.-The fact of soliciting, accepting or obtaining relations of a sexual nature from a person who engages in prostitution, including on an occasional basis, in exchange for remuneration, a promised remuneration, the provision of a benefit in kind or the promise of such a benefit is punished by the fine provided for contraventions of the fifth class.

Good luck to convince the Police or the Judge that you shouldn't be fined because "Prostitution is still legal".

[Siggleii]

Be careful with massages. I just got a real / proper massage (non-sexual) yesterday, and I had couple of bed bug bites on my arm after that. And this was with a classy (luxe) Thai massage establishment.

I should say I'm not 100% sure if it was the massage place / table where I got the bed bug bites, but I'm quite sure it's not from my own bed.

[DecadentDude92]

You could have done that anywhere for 30 euros. Sad.

Not saying that there isn't any cheaper alternative, but for 30 euros in Paris, you get a 15 min quick fuck in the back of a truck with a fat 40+ years old WG. Not a 1 h massage from a professional masseuse in a parlor. Unless you got some intel to share?

[Quasimodo764]

I answered to this announce to get a Tantric massage: https://www.wannonce.com/annonce/mas...re-1292884.htm.

Price was 150 for 30 min, or 250/ hour. The photo is not real. It's a professional massage parlor, that also happen to give tantric massages, so the masseuse you meet is random. I found the way of advertising quite original, but why not?

The masseuse this time was a black girl, about 23, with blue eyes, which I found really nice (not a fan of black girls usually, but even I had to admit that she got charm). Also, nice body shape and proportions.

Since it's a professional massage parlor, the place was clean and well equipped with shower, massage bed with disposable sheets, and relaxing music in the background. I was proposed some refreshments before and after.

The masseuse knew her job and it was an enjoyable experience. It was a pure tantric massage, so no BJ or FJ. She still finished the job with an HJ though.

I quite liked the experience and would recommend for anyone interested.

You could have done that anywhere for 30 euros. Sad.

[Sirioja]

I was obliged to return from holidays for my job which couldn't wait, I was furious, so I went to Dana rdv4u, exceptional GFE in bed like at home.

[DecadentDude92]

I answered to this announce to get a Tantric massage: https://www.wannonce.com/annonce/mas...re-1292884.htm.

Price was 150 for 30 min, or 250/ hour. The photo is not real. It's a professional massage parlor, that also happen to give tantric massages, so the masseuse you meet is random. I found the way of advertising quite original, but why not?

The masseuse this time was a black girl, about 23, with blue eyes, which I found really nice (not a fan of black girls usually, but even I had to admit that she got charm). Also, nice body shape and proportions.

Since it's a professional massage parlor, the place was clean and well equipped with shower, massage bed with disposable sheets, and relaxing music in the background. I was proposed some refreshments before and after.

The masseuse knew her job and it was an enjoyable experience. It was a pure tantric massage, so no BJ or FJ. She still finished the job with an HJ though.

I quite liked the experience and would recommend for anyone interested.

[Sirioja]

The 2016 law had 6 mains points: 1) prostitutes are no longer regarded as criminals, but as victims. 2) Clients can now be fined, up to 1500,3750 if recidivism. 3) A fund to help prostitutes get out of prostitution has been created. 4) Some bullshit about "fighting against prostitution will now be a theme in education and citizenship" 5) Creation of a 6 month work visa for foreign prostitutes following the course to get out of prostitution 6) Creation of county-based institutions to handle prostitution victims (prostitutes, not swindled clients).

The overall goal being to reduce prostitution in France.

Impacts for mongers: you can now be fined. About 4000 clients have been fined in France, in 2017. But you have to be caught in the act, so if you don't go for streetwalkers, you should be fine. Also, those numbers look really small: There are 15.000 announces on sexemodel in France. Let's say 3/4 are fake, that leave about 4000 working girls (not counting streetwalkers, and girls advertising on other websites). Let's say a girl has at least 3 clients per day. 365 days a year. This makes about 3180.000 mongers a year. Just for sexemodel. So the 4000 guys that where fined represent about 0,13% of the clients.

But prostitution is still legal in France. On next day after confined, 12 May, I saw girls working in streets with no mask, close to Longchamp horses races field, close to very expensive Paris district for more than 20 000 €/ meter square. New German law 2017 was to try to protect German families health and to try to get taxes, new French law was to try to please feminists, when prostitution is since Madeleine, oldest job as said, and social useful for guys who need sex, rather than making problems to women in streets or bars. France is now thinking about prostituting kind of nurses for handicapped to have right for sex. Just France logic. Of course, have to fight pimping, women traffics, but when girls do because they want our money, when they are more than 18 and even better when 21, then they do social, useful job to make guys feel better, more relax, more quiet, when many politics, not only Strauss-Kahn, go to prostitutes, this all over the world.