Paris

[Bbois77]

Hi Guys,

Sorry to be the confirmer of all that has been said by previous members.

Paris is officially dead as.

[EFrog]

Agree 100% #1006

Read Catalyst post : it shows what is mostly left from Paris fun.
Sorry to say that but recent years have distroyed a lot of opportunities.
Sarkozy laws are just ruining Paris hobby scene and this just to secure his position for running the Presidential next year.
W.. houses were legally banned back in the late 40's... Marthe Richard laws.
Paris action later was a mix of tourist rip off Pigalle area, poor quality at St Denis, and high priced everywhere else when a little quality (just compare to NL or Germany).
Also lots of good places like past Diam's rue du Colisee, dropped because a war russian and arabic mafias to take over control on night life money.
Bar owner got shot on the street if they did sell them their places or just pay for "safety".
Now what is left is not to give anymore Paris the ranking of the city for fun.
Just couple of decent swinger clubs keep the level. Street action is so poor, bars to forget about...
The only "new" to the area and this is just to laugh about when you have international travelling experience, table dancing spots...
Overpriced and underserviced...
Even cabaret scene is down to nothing.
Places like former Le Baron, Le Millionnaire,... where you could have had fun just 10 years ago are turned now to yuppies bars where it is fashionable to have drinks in former strip joints...
Kind of Canada Dry stuff, looks like but isn't...
Best keeps to fly to Barcelona, Frankfurt, Amsterdam,... trip and fun will cost less... for much more...
Paris will end like Stockholm one day... for the scene I mean...

[Member #1006]

I can agree.
But it seems that you like also to get reliable information :
- you were happy about Routard information to be accurate you said
- when you ask about bike trip in Poland you certainly prefer that what you get is reliable
- you were happy to find FKK information : just imagine that by wrong you were sent to a gay sauna... you would not have liked..

Small details but it makes life more enjoyable....
WTF reliable information ?
Well when you use it, you can see why it is worth...

That's final on this boring controversy... this I agree...

By the way, you complain about quality of input...
Why not trying to contribute rather than critisize.
I see you more on the question side than on the reporting...

eFrog, thanks for you answer...

I totally agree with you, the quality and reliablity of info is absolutely fundamental.
My mesage was only to avoid a new sterile discussion on some topics that have nothing to do with the forum.. It was only to bring all of us back on the subject (things you understood perfectly).

It was not at all a criticism, if you felt it like that I must apologize.

Regarding my being more on the question than on the answer side, as you say, it's easy to explain: when I have some info to post I do it, as I will do asap in the Milan section.
In Paris the situation is not at all my tipe (too expensive for a good service, poor quality when affordable price....). Therefore I read the posts on this board with interest, but knowing that there is little chance to find something intersting for me...

Amts...

[Catalyst]

swinger clubs

based on reports of the mongering scene in paris i decided that i would do better to try my luck in the swinger clubs.

pluriel

pluriel opens at 7:00 pm and i arrived at about 8:00. the club is in a charming old building that i stopped to look at before i realized that it was where i was going. the club is on the first floor and in the basement. they started serving a decent buffet right after i arrived, with wine, cheese, and dessert. there were several friendly people i chatted with about other clubs they had been to, what successes they had had, etc ...

there were five couples there in addition to some 10 additional single men. unfortunately the women all made janet reno look hot. watching haggard and flabby middle-aged couples wander off towards the public mattresses in the corners hotly pursued by swarms of desperate men jostling for position made me sad for my fellow humanity. the men looked like starving homeless people fighting over scraps in a dumpster. it was strange seeing all of the elements of a hot porno gangbang—a woman on a mattress surrounded by men with their pants down—only the object of everyone’s attention was horrible. the scene reminded me of the walpurgisnacht in the movie the shining—i expected the woman at some point to break out in demonic laughter. it was a horrific sight that i would have paid extra to have had hidden from me. at about ten o’clock it was definitely time to go. people were no longer arriving, and more importantly i had picked this club specifically because there was another club nearby that opened later that i could go to in case things didn’t work out at this one, which they clearly hadn’t.

escapade

escapade is in a similarly charming basement in an old building on the isle de la cite. i got there at around ten thirty or eleven, shortly after it opened, and immediately a nice girl caught my eye. she looked to be in her 30s with nice wavy hair and most importantly (and in extreme contrast to most of the other women i had seen in these clubs) was slim and fit looking. wandering around the small club i saw only one other woman, another one who didn’t compare well to janet reno.

this club has lots of bench seats, a couple of small mattresses in corners, and a corner of particular interest that has a large flat area with mattresses and a nearby private room with a door that locks and two large holes in the wall, just big enough to put your head in, for people to look in or try to get a blowjob through. right after i arrived the cute girl went with a guy to this room, followed by a gaggle of single men who didn’t look pathetic like in pluriel since the object of their chase merited the pursuit. they lined up by the holes, the ones in front standing up with their pants down, hoping for blowjobs, while the men behind them crouched down and tried to peer though at the action. it was hard to tell if the guys in front were getting blown or not, but it didn’t seem that they were. when the couple left the room there was further jostling to be by the door in case another guy was to be admitted, but everyone was out of luck, this time at least.

the cute girl went to the bar and i sat two seats away from her, trying to listen in on her conversation to see if i could find out who she might be attached to and get an idea of whether she had just been with her lover and whether she might be willing to do other guys. as i was watching her and listening a particularly awkward older man with a few days of white stubble (you f---ing idiot, you don’t even bother to shave before going to a club to try to convince people you just met to have sex with you!) squeezed in front of me at the bar. he leaned over like he was trying to get the bartender’s attention so i was forgiving, but i soon realized that he had simply shoved his way in front of me to get a good position near the cute girl.

the girl left the bar with a guy and went to the main dancing area to slow dance with him. i hadn’t gotten a good look at who she went to the private room with so i wasn’t sure if this was the same guy or not. i had noticed that she had been talking with a couple of guys who didn’t exactly look like movie stars and i was hopeful that i might have an edge on them in physical attractiveness. i went to the dance floor and stood near her, making eye contact a couple of times. when she stopped dancing with the guy i held out my arms and she accepted a dance with me.

the dance was long and steamy and i was pretty sure we were signing a deal. we finally gave each other a look and headed towards the corner with the mattresses and the private room. we came to a spot where we had to decide between the private room to our left and the open mattress area to our right. i had assumed we were going to the private room, but she hesitated and i said “we can go here instead, if you like”. i thought it would be kind of fun to do it in the open and maybe have a couple of other people look on and even join in eventually. so we turned right.

holy cow! i didn’t expect this! this is what a half-price sale on women’s handbags at saks must be like. as soon as i put her down on the mattress and started to take my shoes off several guys jumped on the mattress with her, followed by others behind them. in retrospect i should have realized that every guy in the whole club would have the only doable girl there fixed on high-powered radar. now i was worried that i was about to lose my place. i sat on the mattress in front of her to stake out the spot and began ripping my clothes off, hoping that my name was at the top of some list that would be respected. after all, i was the one who had made this happen, wasn’t i? but i didn’t know the etiquette; maybe everything was fair at this point.

i got a short blowjob which it would have been nice to prolong, but as i was enjoying it other guys were moving into position in front of her and again i was in danger of losing my place in line. there was a big guy in front of her, one of the friends she had been talking with at the bar. he was in position to get on top of her but he was being slow about it. i wasn’t sure if he was respecting my place in line or just taking his time, but i thought it best not to wait and see.

unbelievably, none of these clubs supplies condoms. everyone has to bring their own. i had naively left my hotel without any, but at prelude i had fortunately grabbed an extra one that someone had left behind on a sofa after an encounter. i put it on quickly, looking around to see if i was racing against anyone else who was putting one on. (i’m not sure, but i seem to remember that i was.) getting on top of her, with several sets of hands all over her, and one guy already in her mouth, was pretty hot; right out of a porno film. once i was inside her someone began shining a flashlight on us so everyone could see more clearly in the semi-dark corner. this is not something for you guys who had trouble with your lines in the christmas assembly in 4th grade because you were shy about standing up in front of all the parents.

i was a little soft. i had started a little sooner than i wanted to because i was hurrying plus it was a little difficult to get into a comfortable position since whenever i shifted six other people had to shift with me. now this is when it started to get a little weird. there was a hand reaching under me from behind. it seemed like a guy was trying to stroke her pussy, but he was getting my balls. this is not what i needed to get my blood flowing when i was trying to stiffen up.

i went at it for a long time, but the condom was thick, i wasn’t in exactly the position i wanted, some freak was rubbing my balls (accidentally i hoped and presumed, or maybe it was the fat chick, which would have been only marginally better), and given the circumstances there was pressure not to slow down or take my time to make the sort of adjustments one does to get things just right in more private circumstances. i took a long time and i started to perspire. i now wondered how much longer it would be before i finished and thought that it might be polite and maybe even preferable to give someone else a turn and come back after a short break, plus i didn’t want to sweat like a pig all over her and spoil it. she seemed to like me, so i thought i would be able to get my spot back without too much trouble.

i could have moved forward for a blowjob, but i only had one condom. i could have taken it off and reused it, but then it is much more likely to fall off and even if i were willing to take the chance she might have refused and even gotten upset if she saw me try. so i kept it on and jerked myself to stay hard while her friend from the bar got between her legs. i stayed right next to him.

among the arms that were reaching over and caressing her i noticed one particularly stiff one in the mix attached to a guy far in the back that was reaching between me and her friend. if one of us shifted positions most of the arms around us would relax so we could move where we wanted, but this one arm remained stiff when we moved. even if i tried to guide it out of the way whoever it belonged to tenaciously resisted. i looked back and saw that it was the creepy guy who had pushed in front of me at the bar.

now i was a little angry. i looked back at him and pushed him away, but he talked back to me and thrust his arm back into place. i realized at this point that the hand that was rubbing my balls earlier must have been his. i tried to move closer to the girls’ friend to close off the space where his arm was inserted, but he fought back. the friend said this is ridiculous and they headed for the private room. i stupidly started gathering my clothes and the moment i looked up i realized what a dreadful mistake i had made. the door to the private room was already closing with three other guys inside. even the space by the windows was already taken.

i went to one of the windows and tried to peek around the guys in front. i hoped that she would see me and would let me in, if not right away at least once a couple of the other guys finished. as i crouched by the window i noticed a foot step on mine. guess who. that did it. he was f---ing trying to push to the front to get a good spot by the windows. now i pushed him away and told him that everywhere i went he was following me and getting in my way. he pushed and talked back.

as i saw the action inside coming to a close i got up to stand by the door, but he got there too. now he was aggressively jostling for position with me and i was pushing him back. i was stronger than him, but i could see that using too much force wouldn’t be wise. people were already coming over to intervene and said we were spoiling everything. they were right. but starting from this moment at least i played it right. i stepped back, kept silent, and let the a—hole dig his own grave. he loudly protested that he was just trying to participate like everyone else, can’t we all just get along, blah blah etc ... now he had everyone arguing with him while i quietly faded into the background. when the girl left the room she found him blocking the door, arguing with a group, clearly responsible for the disturbance.

“the girl” (i never asked her what her name was) left the private room and the festivities ended, at least for the moment. i was trying to think how i could commit murder without being asked to leave the club, but first i went to the shower area where she was washing up and talking to a couple of her friends. i was able to strike up a conversation with them, which went well, including me offering my apologies if i had screwed anything up. they said it was the other guy’s fault, may have mentioned that he had been a problem on other nights (i’m not sure if i heard that part right), and i threw in how he had rubbed me, which probably no one had noticed. as she left for the bar i said quietly to her that it had been great and she seemed ticked by it. after that i saw no more of the a—hole.

i wondered if that was it for the evening or not, but after a while at the bar a younger guy asked her to dance and they soon went off to the private room. i followed and would have been the third guy in the room, but the second guy—one of her friends—said two was enough. things weren’t going my way. i was able to get to the front of one of the window, however, and as the young guy got on top of her she reached out, took my hand, and held it throughout. so again i thought i might be next in line, but again i was out of luck as she only did this guy.

all this time i was wearing my only condom. i wasn’t sure what to do with it since i didn’t have another. i had seen how important timing was in these situations and i didn’t know if i going to be able to buy one at the bar or ask for one when i needed it. after a while, though, i started to feel ridiculous and threw it away. i thought of nerds who go to their high school prom wearing one just in case. it probably wouldn’t have been secure anyway.

my chances for another round still looked good. at the bar i joined a conversation with her and her friends. i found that her husband, a guy who looks like jerry garcia (it was a pretty good deal for him, i think) was there with her. they go to clubs periodically. she gets gangbanged while he watches and participates, but he is not allowed to touch other girls.

she went to slow dance with another of her friends. i stood nearby, thinking that i would ask her to dance once she was done with him, which had worked for me the first time. but a thin young guy went out and also started slow dancing with her, holding her and pressing against her from behind while she danced with the first guy. ok, i wasn’t going to let her see me as the chump who can never get to her because he is always one step too slow, so i went out there too and squeezed in on one side. all three of us were rubbing up against her. she started rubbing my crotch and my hopes were high as i was getting at least my share of attention from her. when she lifted her shirt off i did the same. it took me just one second to get my shirt up and over my head, but when i looked in front of me everyone was off again, on their way to the mattresses in the corner.

this time i hurried so i wouldn’t be left out. the young guy jumped up on the mattress and pulled his pants down. her friend bent her over in position to do her doggie while she sucked the young guy. i blocked off a spot on the mattress next to the young guy, got my clothes off in a hurry, and jumped up. she quickly switched to me, and then went back and forth, blowing me and the young guy while her friend took her from behind. she was going at it pretty good and i wondered if it was ok to cum in her mouth (which would have solved the condom problem) but i didn’t want to do it without asking, which was a little awkward to do just at that moment, and i wanted to finish inside of her anyway.

her friend who was behind her finished and one of the guys, it was either him or her husband, motioned to me that she was going to get on top of me. i’m not sure whether he was just doing me a favor, or if it was because she had told him that she wanted me next. i let her move forward and then asked does anyone have a condom i can borrow. i was a little worried people would snicker and say sorry sucker as they pushed me out of the way and took my spot, but no, they were very polite. several people stuck their hands into their pockets (the ones who still had their pockets up by their hips) and someone handed me one. i looked for him later to thank him and try to offer him a euro or two for it or buy him a drink, but he was already gone when we were done.

there were maybe 8 guys around us, but we had squeezed into the corner, so she was only doing me and there weren’t many hands reaching out to caress her since there wasn’t much room. plus it was getting late and a lot of the losers who tend to be more aggressive about reaching had given up and left. i was having a little trouble getting friction when she told me to get on top of her and that was much better. this time i finished big time and the next guy in line took my spot.

i lay to one side of her and watched. after a couple of minutes i signaled to another guy that maybe he wanted my spot next to her so he could get blown, a gesture that people seemed to notice and appreciate. i was done, at least for the moment, but watching her do this guy, followed by the guy i had just given my spot to, was great entertainment. after a while i slid over and put my face next to hers as she was on her back getting banged by the guy i gave my spot to.

all during this time the thin young guy who had started the group slow dance with her to get all of this going had been ignored except for getting some bj action at the start. (ah, so getting things started doesn’t guarantee your place in line after all.) a couple of times he stood over her desperately jacking off by her face trying to get some more bj action, but she ignored him; i don’t know why. but finally it was his turn. she put her head in my lap and i held her while he got on top of her and banged away.

things gradually wound down. she did at least one other guy after that and then by the end it was just her husband doing her with me beside her. all during this time i was making out with her and getting blown. when her husband finished i was thinking that maybe i could go another round, but she got up and it looked like that was it for the evening. if i had had another condom maybe i could have whipped it out and done her one more time, but i wasn’t sure if she wanted to and i didn’t want to have to make another public appeal for a humanitarian condom donation.

we gathered at the bar and chatted for a while before leaving. i thought of giving my email to her or to her husband so we could coordinate next time i was in town, but there were a lot of guys there and i decided not to. when we left it was 4:30 am.

[Catalyst]

Escapade, second visit

I went back the next night at about eleven. There were three couples there and the women all made Janet Reno look hot. There was a good porno movie playing and I watched a couple of scenes before leaving to try another club.

Prelude

I walked from Escapade and showed up close to 1:00 AM, which was on the late side. There were more people here than at any of the other clubs I had seen, maybe 10 couples and 10 or 15 single guys. One girl looked doable, but she left right after I arrived. Most of the women were the usual wrinkled fatties. One girl who wasn’t so bad though still not really doable only did it with the guy she came with. I didn’t pay much attention to what the others did.

There was one more girl who was youngish, possibly in her 20s, and was not really thin, but was otherwise fine. We exchanged some glances and a little while later I tried to say hello to her, but she was cold. Her response to the couple of questions I asked her was just “m-hmm”. But then I saw her looking at me and so I tried asking her to dance. Again a cold negative response. But now she exchanged long stares with me whenever I passed her, so I kept after her. What the hell, there was nothing else to do. Eventually she started talking with me and sat with me. This all went on over the course of a couple of hours.

She said that since a couple of years ago she worked as a masseuse and before that for about ten years she worked in sex clubs as a receptionist, bar tender, or whatever else there was to do. She said she now goes to the clubs just to hang out because she knows some people there, but she often doesn’t have sex. I couldn’t tell if it was all an act, playing frigid and then giving in. I asked her what she thought of what goes on and she said nothing. I said nothing? You see twenty guys following a girl to an open area to gangbang her and you don’t have any reaction to that? No. You aren’t excited by it or disgusted by it? Neither. What do you think of me? Nothing. All this time we’ve been talking and you have no reaction to me at all? No. At one point we were standing over a couple watching them have sex. What do you think of that? Nothing. All of these answers were delivered with a cold empty stare directed at me or perhaps a short distance behind me. I couldn’t tell if she was serious. Even if I did succeed was this going to be better than doing it with a heavy Linda Lovelace ice sculpture? Maybe she was on heroin or had swallowed a liter of Novocain before coming to the club. Any move I made, trying to kiss her, trying to hold her, she avoided, but she didn’t go away.

Finally, at about 3:30 AM, she was sitting in a chair in front of me. I started caressing her leg and moved higher and higher. I got to where her leg met her torso and began slowly sliding down the crease. She got up, walked off, and didn’t want to have anything to do with me after that. I must be the first guy in history who some idiot tried to make feel boorish for moving too fast in a sex club (after two hours of “courtship”, no less). The club closed at 4:00 AM. What a pathetic life, hanging out in sex clubs not to have sex, spending half the night in a dead conversation with a stranger, and finally blowing him off. Doesn’t she have any masseuse friends she can get together with and discuss astrology? Another dud visit.

General info.

A pretty good site I found in French is http://www.petitfute.com. The full address for the Paris page is http://www.petitfute.com/thematique/...e_1=75+-+PARIS. It has multiple reviews for all the main clubs, but the information on ISG was pretty adequate anyway.

The impression I got from talking to people and from seeing for myself is that there isn’t much difference between the clubs that admit single men. If you try the same club on different evenings you are likely to have completely different experiences, and if you try different clubs on different evenings you are likely to run into some of the same people since there are ones who go out often and visit different clubs. All clubs seem to have good nights and bad nights, with the bad nights being more frequent than the good nights. Think about it. If there were too many good nights anywhere every desperate cretin in town would eventually hear about it and the resulting stampede would quickly spoil everything. There is a natural balance where most of the time the women are frightful but once in a while there is a hot girl who hopefully makes up for the other nights. There is also the underbelly of older guys who are content to have sex with the frightful girls.

[EFrog]

THANKS guys, now my knowledge of the Paris underground system has highly increased....

BUT...

Could you stop arguing about who's getting where and how fast, and go on talking about our hobby scene in la ville lumière??

Not that there is much to talk about, but ....

I can agree.
But it seems that you like also to get reliable information :
- you were happy about Routard information to be accurate you said
- when you ask about bike trip in Poland you certainly prefer that what you get is reliable
- you were happy to find FKK information : just imagine that by wrong you were sent to a gay sauna... you would not have liked..

Small details but it makes life more enjoyable....
WTF reliable information ?
Well when you use it, you can see why it is worth...

That's final on this boring controversy... this I agree...

By the way, you complain about quality of input...
Why not trying to contribute rather than critisize.
I see you more on the question side than on the reporting...

[SherlockHolmes6]

Went to the Bois de Boulogne by car last night, March 13th. It was freezing cold outside. Some action started around midnight, mostly TS, some straight girls, but real small quantities. What struck me was the police presence, they were cruising the area with at least six patrol cars, checking on working girls, mostly in cars. I saw a guy who just picked up a TS and few meters later was stopped by police for checking. So I guess they are taking some action to clean up the place. Overall, not worth the hassle.

[Member #1006]

THANKS guys, now my knowledge of the Paris underground system has highly increased....

BUT...

Could you stop arguing about who's getting where and how fast, and go on talking about our hobby scene in la ville lumière??

Not that there is much to talk about, but ....

[EFrog]

Heure Durée Plan

Allez jusqu'à : Aeroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV - RER 3 mn
Direction : Massy-Palaiseau

de : Aeroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV

à : Gare du Nord 09h40 10h10 30 mn

Allez jusqu'à : Gare du Nord PARIS-10EME 3 mn

Just to make this post useful: http://www.ratp.info/orienter/itineraire.php

Thanks Mufu, nice confirm.

My point is not to argue with Denis.

I think that this forum purpose is to give reliable information when asked by non local members, not to add one more post to your post record with non relevant saying.
The key here is a reliable networking.
When I am asking a question on another town, I wish the answer to be also reliable.

By coincidence I was last week using RER connection CDG to Gare du Nord...
That's why I knew it was crap telling you can make it go and back with shopping in one hour...
I think that telling right info is just respect to all foreign members.

I really don't care about Denis gossiping about my post.
Best reward is just a comment couple of days ago from Elton : 2/26.
I prefer this kind of comment : having given useful confirmed information to a fellow monger.

[Mufu]

Eh froggy
Believe me you can do it in one hour round trip!
I can bet anything you want!
Anyway most of your posts are just critics to other posters, I have not found much valuable information from you!

Heure Durée Plan

Allez jusqu'à : Aeroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV - RER 3 mn
Direction : Massy-Palaiseau

de : Aeroport Charles de Gaulle 2 TGV

à : Gare du Nord 09h40 10h10 30 mn

Allez jusqu'à : Gare du Nord PARIS-10EME 3 mn

Just to make this post useful: http://www.ratp.info/orienter/itineraire.php

[Denis]

This is just ridiculous answer.
You just cannot make it on this schedule one hour.
RER is either direct or stop at every station so first reason for failing
Second point, RER to CDG are only every 7 minutes, so add just one to the trip and the hour is already over.
I think that given this kind of advice will be very helpful when he will miss his flight, not even talking about the time needed for security.
So this is just ridiculous

Eh froggy
Believe me you can do it in one hour round trip!
I can bet anything you want!
Anyway most of your posts are just critics to other posters, I have not found much valuable information from you!

[EFrog]

Should be Fast Shaft not Fat Shaft! As in 1 hour it will be very difficult to find some Pussy around CDG airport.
Concerning the toys , I have never seen any at the duty free shops!!
If you really want to buy some toys, in one hour, challenging but doable, Take the train to Gare du Nord (20min), you will find some sexshops opposite the station , buy (20min), come back (20min)
have fun
DEnis

This is just ridiculous answer.
You just cannot make it on this schedule one hour.
RER is either direct or stop at every station so first reason for failing
Second point, RER to CDG are only every 7 minutes, so add just one to the trip and the hour is already over.
I think that given this kind of advice will be very helpful when he will miss his flight, not even talking about the time needed for security.
So this is just ridiculous

[EFrog]

Fellow Mongers,

Not a man to lose an opportunity on visitng Charles de Gaulle airport , would any of you please be kind enough to share with me, what i can get at the Airport in terms of
- Adult toys( Vibrators etc)
- Some pussy - though it will have to be quick - where and how much

The only airport where I know for sure is a sex shop is FRA : Franfurt Germany.

Beside this, one hour ... for shopping and fun...
Ont bad minded but it is more than a quicky that you are looking for :-)

[Fat Shaft]

Dragon,

Yes I did post on the Amsterdam one too since I have two bookings out of the US,one via Charles de gaulle and one via Schicpol.I was trying to get some info before taking a decision.

Since I think the Amsterdam one holds more promise(if the flight gets delayed) I think I will accept that routing.

If nothing else works, I will have my regular haunts in South East Asia once I finish my assignment in India.

Happy Mongering

[Bimbo Boy]

This girl and this agency have recently got quite bad reviews on the French boards (Le Guide Rose).
BB.

Hi everybody,
I am usually not travelling to Paris but for some reason I am on the newsletter list of a polish escort agency that is working in Paris .
They apparently offer a lot of stunners...;-)
Has anybody of you guys been able to meet one of the girls through this agency?
www.models-only.com