Berlin

[Riina]

Out of curiosity, why do the women in the club agree to have sex with everyone? Wouldn't they try to avoid it as much as possible? Do you think that they get in trouble if they aren't having sex over an extended period of time? Or are they trying to sell as many extras as they can?

Because only the most hardened of prostitutes are open to working in an FKK. I meet Polish prostitutes all the time that worked in houses throughout Europe. If you mention FKK, first words out of their mouth is "that's shit".

[Nooky Ninja]

Out of curiosity, why do the women in the club agree to have sex with everyone? Wouldn't they try to avoid it as much as possible? Do you think that they get in trouble if they aren't having sex over an extended period of time? Or are they trying to sell as many extras as they can?

You have understood subtle concepts of why flat rate clubs are fine, meaningful, joyful, satisfying, respectful experience that attract classy beautiful girls who love their work.

[Nooky Ninja]

How do you ask for lube in German?

"Hast du ein bisschen Gel?" (hard G like in good).

Or next time, bring own.

[Piefke]

.. She did not understand "lube" "slippery" or "oil". How do you ask for lube in German?

If she does not understand "Oil" (German "Oel" - very similar), then it will not help you to speak german: she will not understand you.

Sorry about your experience!

[Leroy1969]

I was in Germany about a month ago. I had a couple great experiences, and 2 less than great. My first laughable experience was with a lady that did not speak any English. She was giving me the saddest HJ of my life, and I tried to ask for some lube while she pulled on my limp member. She did not understand "lube" "slippery" or "oil". How do you ask for lube in German?

[Nooky Ninja]

Ninja, thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail. I am going to say something which I am sure is going to sound strange. My preference is trashy women; in the states, I like to work with women from trailer parks or rundown apartment complexes that are trying to pay their bills (really fat women, really old women, and women missing teeth are the exceptions).

And people say romance is dead. Ninja don't know, just some people are saying.

Then Caligula or the mean streets near Nollendorfplatz is where you want to be. Though service might be much better in sex kino yet still preserve your need for seed(iness). Anyway, above Ninja pay grade so good luck with the yuck.

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On the froggy bit. Was joke as: how bad / good can reputation be in a flat rate club? Like how good or bad can frog be in a swamp? Still in a swamp. Not from German; old Confusedicous saying.

[Neurosynth]

Can you explain the phrase "bad frog in a swamp"?

Is this a typical German phrase?

There is no analog for this in English and I am interested the meaning.

Me too! Do you have the original German?

[FieldJohn]

Ninja, thank you for taking the time to respond in such detail. I am going to say something which I am sure is going to sound strange. My preference is trashy women; in the states, I like to work with women from trailer parks or rundown apartment complexes that are trying to pay their bills (really fat women, really old women, and women missing teeth are the exceptions).

With someone I'm paying, I don't need or even want a lot of participation on their part. My absolute preference is to have a girl strip while I'm seated on the bed in front of her, then play above her waist using my hands and mouth (on that note, boobs in mouth: allowed as part of the standard service or an extra? Then ask her to lay down, then get on top, do my thing, clean up and leave. It actually turns me on when I can tell that she is disinterested; I think it is a power / control thing.

Anyways, with that in mind, it seems like the flat rate places would be a good match for me. I basically don't want to get robbed, don't want to deal with a lot of men, don't want to do much talking in general, and don't want to spend anything over the cover charge. Sounds like I'm good to go on those things.

Out of curiosity, why do the women in the club agree to have sex with everyone? Wouldn't they try to avoid it as much as possible? Do you think that they get in trouble if they aren't having sex over an extended period of time? Or are they trying to sell as many extras as they can?

[Nooky Ninja]

Ninja was reminded during coffee session today of ancient reports by the now extinct Angus Magee and rarely seen but fondly remembered Charlie123 of their night at King George. Almost 10 years now (but gives feel for Zeitgeist).

Key takeaway point: Go if possible with wingman to manage all much better. Several reports around 18 August 2010

Link is http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/forum/showthread.php?668-Berlin&p=1057261&viewfull=1#post1057261

[BlueBudgie]

Can you explain the phrase "bad frog in a swamp"?

Is this a typical German phrase?

There is no analog for this in English and I am interested the meaning.

As far as flat rate brothels, its an option of last resort. The girls are not so hot and they are just getting pounded one after another all day long. In Berlin I would recommend some of the better houses, massage places, kaufmich, and I personally like Artemis but many have mixed feelings about it. I would not mess with the street girls or the flat rate girls. I've never been in a kino but my understanding is they are not so great either.

[Nooky Ninja]

I am looking forward to a trip to Berlin, and am intrigued by this flat rate brothel concept..I want to see if I could get some clarification on a few things:

First, Ninja never been, but know plenty who have. Ninja sense you have not so much experience. You must know these places are downmarket, just above streetwalkers. King George slightly "better" than Caligula but atmosphere similar. Far better girls in private apartments, and experience will be much more relaxed. Obviously more expensive If you just want quantity vs quality, flat rates allow this. If you want much nicer experience, take 30 min session (to start) in private bordellos like Ginas Tango, Prestige, Liberty, Salon Deluxe, Monrouge, Aston, etc. Look at their websites. Ninja would always take 1-3 of these per day spread over many hours also enjoying city, vs. hanging for hours in dark so so clean flat rate club to be with maybe 3-5 girls. Nothing intriguing about all this. So ask yourself really, why you want to do this? Maybe 1 time if you need cheap thrill or just curious, but so many better options in Berlin. Even sex kinos such as Alt Manier (according to my expert Zimmerbaby) probably better service, and only slightly more expensive. You can in theory pay "effectively 20 Euro per girl session" in flat rate with shitty rooms and so so (at best if you are really lucky) service from girls doing lots of guys, vs. 50 Euro for 30 min quick session in attractive private flat with real shower and with super girls. 30 Eur price difference really not so much, for much much much better experience. And with an "extra" here or there at flat rate club, price difference becomes even less. And with private apartments you don't hang around for hours waiting. To your questions:

1. First, and most important, do I just walk up to a girl I like, introduce myself, and ask if we can go in the back? Or do I need to work up to it, with conversation and / or tipping, if I don't want a bad rep?

No rules, do as little or as much as you feel. Girls are not there to make chit chat. Certainly no tipping before room. But talking first helps you feel vibe and risk and costs of up-selling. Better to get all clear before heading off to zimmer (see 3. Below).

2. On that, do you typically have to wait for girls to be done with other customers? What is the typical guy to girl ratio?

Not sure what is alternative to "waiting for girls to be done with others" - interrupting a conversation or session could lead to your early exit (from planet Earth). Neither place crowded (that should tell you something), obviously slightly more so at night.

3. How hard will the women push the extras once you get in the back? Can I simply say as nicely as possible, no thank you, you can just take off your clothes and lie down? Again, will I get a bad rep if I'm just taking girls in the back, doing my thing and not pulling out any additional euros in the process?

Will vary by girl, hence a little talking up front (see 1. above) a good idea. But obviously you say no politely and that is the end of it.

Bad rep in a flat rate-interesting concept. Like bad frog in a swamp.

4. Is there anything to do other than drink and go in the back? I actually don't drink, so I would otherwise be sitting around until my body recharged (which is fine; being in a place like that is a once in a lifetime experience).

No. Nothing to do. If you are lucky and smart, this will be once in lifetime experience.

5. Is it dangerous to walk around outside of the club after 10 pm?

No, both neighborhoods fine.

[FieldJohn]

Same questions, but for Caligula also.

[FieldJohn]

I am looking forward to a trip to Berlin, and am intrigued by this flat rate brothel concept, to say the least. I am staying close to King George and am thinking about squeezing in a visit. I have read all of the previous posts on King George, but I want to see if I could get some clarification on a few things:

1. First, and most important, do I just walk up to a girl I like, introduce myself, and ask if we can go in the back? Or do I need to work up to it, with conversation and / or tipping, if I don't want a bad rep? I hope you can appreciate that the experience of having to do absolutely nothing to get it other than ask politely is a little mind blowing on its own, all else aside.

2. On that, do you typically have to wait for girls to be done with other customers? What is the typical guy to girl ratio?

3. How hard will the women push the extras once you get in the back? Can I simply say as nicely as possible, no thank you, you can just take off your clothes and lie down? Again, will I get a bad rep if I'm just taking girls in the back, doing my thing and not pulling out any additional euros in the process?

4. Is there anything to do other than drink and go in the back? I actually don't drink, so I would otherwise be sitting around until my body recharged (which is fine; being in a place like that is a once in a lifetime experience).

5. Is it dangerous to walk around outside of the club after 10 pm? I want to take public transit there and get those most out of my time, but that means I would leave when it is dark outside.

That's all I can think of for now. Thank you in advance for sharing your experience with me.

[Neurosynth]

I am not seeing the "eye" icon. Where?

To the far left there is a vertical column of squarish buttons starting at the top with a "+" button to zoom in.

Go to the bottom of that column and you will see a squarish button with what looks like a stack of poker chips, or a segmented cylinder.

Roll over that button with your mouse and you will get a drop down menu.

Each entry in that menu has an "eye" to the far left, then a magnifying glass, then a text label describing the layer.

Click on the eye and that will make that layer of the map appear.

[Diet Coke]

OK, I see what I was doing wrong. The drop down menu defaults to grey, and clicking on the text does nothing. From that I thought the menu wasn't working.

But what you have to do is click on the "eye" icon. Then the whole section including text darkens and the pins appear on the map.

And it's a pretty good map. (But limited to Germany).

Thanks!

I am not seeing the "eye" icon. Where?