Berlin

[Member #4658]

Fellow mongers,

A quick look around the usual Berlin interweb pages suggests (obviously) business is still going on. I urge you to man up and resist the urge. Any girls still doing this are under financial pressure. There are far fewer of them than normal. Same with mongers. Both sides in this duet are clearly risk takers. Add to this what is becoming more and more clear that large segments (data still new and unreliable but easily +15-20%) of the population show no symptoms yet can still transmit Covid-19. All this in effect is concentrating risks to and from any girls still working. Some might even at some point reduce prices if they are under enough pressure.

Berlin is on lock down (and hence cock down) til at least 20 April. There are lots of discussions to possibly massively expand testing and issue certificates to those who have been found to have antibodies and hence some immunity (for who knows how long-possibly 6-12 months). Thus in the P4P zone, there might be some solutions that would allow gradual relaxing, but it would also likely mean a serious bit of tracking via mobile phones and risks to privacy. This is purely highly dubious speculation at this point. Possibly more will become clear around 20 April, but more likely things will stay in limbo some more weeks. But as P4P intimacy remains a key way to spread things, hard to believe the authorities will take their foot off the brakes any time soon.

The stress of the whole deal, the loneliness, the increased desire from warmer weather and longer sunlight all will build pressures to hook up. Use your big brain and til this whole mess stabilizes, just don't. Protect yourselves, protect the girls, protect us all. Do a solid and show solidarity. Thanks.

[Member #4658]

I don't think the elderly would care as long as they not causing problems. If they wanted to they could have pressured the local government to close them years or even decades ago.

You really do not seem to understand how radically different the situation is now. This has nothing to do with cultural attitudes to P4P where risks are mostly between consenting adults; it is what to do in a pandemic that is still not fully understood, which spreading rapidly, and which poses astronomical health, financial, and social risks to the general population. We are not in Kansas anymore, Todo.

[Member #4665]

You know, after watching the documentaries and doing the research legalizing and regulating the sex industry seems actually way more morally responsible than making everything illegal. The people who oppose legalization due to moral reasons actually base their decisions on dogma so that makes them dogmatic and at the same time These people are more morally irresponsible than Those who support legalization. When it comes to this topic from this specific point of view the obvious moral answer isn't the correct answer.Sometimes right and wrong is way more complicated than it appears to be.

The virus is affecting many Different types of businesses in a negative manner. Hopefully if the sex industry suffers it will be due to Health and scientific reasons not dogmatic beliefs.

[BaltiX]

For well over 100 years, Berlin has always had a fairly tolerant sexual culture. (If you have not, watch the great German TV series "Babylon Berlin" But like anywhere, there are conservative folks who think sex should be practiced in only certain ways. In the Western World, Berlin is surely at the top of cities when it comes to P4P activities. More conservative interests have been unable to convince the authorities to reign it in, either on grounds of morality or even health. All the HIV and STD worries have barely affected the scene beyond large and fairly effective public campaigns for condoms ber alles and safe sex, though this does vary a bit E. G. Bayern / Bavaria has been less tolerant of BBBJs for years (while of course it goes on there as well). And the recent prostitution law tries to also tighten things up a little.

But Covid-19 is clearly way more contagious than its viral and bacterial cousins, and it also seems to be at least partly asymptomatic. So serious intimate fluid exchanges between multiple partners (from not just kissing, but simply being close, having the virus on hands etc.) is a pretty good way to spread a pandemic (until herd immunity kicks in or vaccines emerge) and in case you have not noticed, this would be just about as far from social distancing as you could get. This provides a powerful public health argument to intervene as the potential consequences go way beyond affecting 2 consenting adults..

I don't think the elderly would care as long as they not causing problems. If they wanted to they could have pressured the local government to close them years or even decades ago. Berlin is progressive on sex work even by German standards.

[Member #4658]

Why do some people think authorities will use the Coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to shut down the sex industry?

For well over 100 years, Berlin has always had a fairly tolerant sexual culture. (If you have not, watch the great German TV series "Babylon Berlin" But like anywhere, there are conservative folks who think sex should be practiced in only certain ways. In the Western World, Berlin is surely at the top of cities when it comes to P4P activities. More conservative interests have been unable to convince the authorities to reign it in, either on grounds of morality or even health. All the HIV and STD worries have barely affected the scene beyond large and fairly effective public campaigns for condoms über alles and safe sex, though this does vary a bit E. G. Bayern / Bavaria has been less tolerant of BBBJs for years (while of course it goes on there as well). And the recent prostitution law tries to also tighten things up a little.

But Covid-19 is clearly way more contagious than its viral and bacterial cousins, and it also seems to be at least partly asymptomatic. So serious intimate fluid exchanges between multiple partners (from not just kissing, but simply being close, having the virus on hands etc.) is a pretty good way to spread a pandemic (until herd immunity kicks in or vaccines emerge) and in case you have not noticed, this would be just about as far from social distancing as you could get. This provides a powerful public health argument to intervene as the potential consequences go way beyond affecting 2 consenting adults.

And more conservative interests will likely jump on this. So who knows, in a panic, people may be more open to restricting P4P. Certainly large FKKs clubs will be attractive targets, as will apartment bordellos especially sited all over the city, often near elderly neighbors. Both exist in small enough numbers that would be sort of easier to monitor unlike the maybe 1000 girls in Berlin doing this on their own. The pressure on politicians to do this will be significant.

But in true Berlin (and elsewhere) fashion, even now, a short look around escort and indie websites and review sites suggests lots is still business as usual, as you would expect amongst stupid thrill seekers, lonely folks, and girls whose incomes have been clobbered. To my shock, I even saw a swingers party posted for this week (W T F?? - Don't ask me but not so difficult to find). Just in case there is any doubt, it is beyond reckless Russian roulette to be thinking about P4P now.

It is telling that if you read the Berlin Senate ordinance in German (I think Piefke posted a link some days ago) that currently governs what is closed, of the 4 key sectors mentioned, prostitution and massage is the 4th. It is a significant force in the Berlin economy-a friend and I once made a guess about number of girls, number of men per day, average payments, then hotels, food, airfares (a not so small volume of traffic from Italy, the UK, Scandinavia arrives at Artemis on the weekends, etc.) the whole sector could be 3+ % of the Berlin economy. Though at the moment it seems almost impossible to imagine with the daily grim case and death numbers, in time, this disaster will fade or at least become managable. But that could easily take 12-18 months and we will just have to see how this plays out. We are way off charted waters. It is difficult to imagine things returning to the way they were, anytime soon. Especially with the risks of multiple infection waves over time.

[BaltiX]

Why do some people think authorities will use the Coronavirus pandemic as an excuse to shut down the sex industry?

[Piefke]

Welcum to Berlin, traveller!

Each arrival takes one protection mask only, please! Have a look here:

https://interaktiv.morgenpost.de/cor...land-weltweit/

[Member #4658]

I am planning on visiting Berlin with my girlfriend. We are more interested in threesomes with other girls only. Which clubs or FKK clubs would be suitable for this? Thank you.

First, you have to know everything is completely shut down here til at least 19 April. For the P4P scene, I think it is likely to remain closed for longer. We are only beginning to hints of what might start to happen https://www.thelocal.de/20200325/mer...es-of-revealed but all of this is just speculation and it will depend on how things go the next weeks. Very unlikely things have peaked here. Then there is also the not so little detail about very tight restrictions on flying into Germany, indeed the entire EU. Even most Berlin hotels are essentially closed. So to make any trip planning now is simply foolish, not to mention impossible.

When the day arrives and things do slowly, perhaps only temporarily, get back to normal, any of the 10 ish better bordellos:

See http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...ginner-s-Guide.

http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...rmany-Brothels - look at Berlin threads.

Would be open to this though you should call ahead as it may vary from place to place. Royale, van Kampen, MonRouge, Prestige would be good choices. The revamped King George Bar or pricier Bar Rouge in Mitte could be club-like options. FKK Artemis does not allow it.

Most anything else involves swinger clubs or gangbangs. However, there are also hundreds of independents girls and escorts who would be open to this.

But we are many, many weeks away from any of this being a realistic option. And who knows which clubs will survive this either economically, or if the authorities decide to use this pandemic as an opportunity to reduce the whole sector.

[Chilaxin]

I am planning on visiting Berlin with my girlfriend. It will be our first experience trying something like this. We are more interested in threesomes with other girls only.

Do you have any suggestions on which clubs or FKK clubs would be suitable for this? I know there are a lot of swingers club but that is not exactly what we are looking for. Any point in the right direction would be much appreciated.

Thank you.

[Member #4658]

You should search for their stage names in the Smalltalk part of the LH Berlin subforum. Or browse. They are in the topic. All are from March.
https://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc...d.php?t=270861
BTW: You cannot be reached by PM (yet).

Thanks Piefke. Did not search SmallTalk. But did search whole Forum and Berlin girls.

I am all too well aware of the PM limit; I hope by May that will change. Just in time for maybe (ha ha) life getting back to normal.

As of tonight in Berlin, and elsewhere, we seem light-years from normal, almost confined to where we live.

[Piefke]

LH is not easy to search-have tried and tried. Can you or Piefke kindly send a link to the report. Cheers.

Hello BoneRanger69,

You should search for their stage names in the Smalltalk part of the LH Berlin subforum. Or browse. They are in the topic. All are from March.

https://huren-test-forum.lusthaus.cc...d.php?t=270861

BTW: You cannot be reached by PM (yet).

[BaltiX]

You know there is Swedish IDG thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...hp?205-Sweden. Lots of info if you simply have patience. Not the right thread here to ask but see https://www.realescort.se https://www.sex-tjejer.com/escorts/girl/stockholm https://rosasidan.ws/ads/11 But if you have questions, please continue and ask in the Swedish ISG thread.

This is just another example of why the so called "Swedish model" will not work.

[Member #4658]

Can you open up Sweden case how to do (I am writing from Sweden).Thanks.

You know there is Swedish IDG thread http://www.internationalsexguide.nl/...hp?205-Sweden. Lots of info if you simply have patience. Not the right thread here to ask but see https://www.realescort.se https://www.sex-tjejer.com/escorts/girl/stockholm https://rosasidan.ws/ads/11 But if you have questions, please continue and ask in the Swedish ISG thread.

[Member #4658]

Well there was also a bit of drama while I was away too that could have had bad consequences. I take it you're on the LH forum too?

LH is not easy to search-have tried and tried. Can you or Piefke kindly send a link to the report. Cheers.

[EnglishAbroad]

Thank you, EnglishAbroad.

For your final report (and your remark in LH)! Lucky you, that you made it back from Berlin.

Well there was also a bit of drama while I was away too that could have had bad consequences. I take it you're on the LH forum too?