Berlin

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Hi Ozzy/Angus,

I paid a visit to Artemis in March the wonderful Celine was present!

Had 2 great sesions with her. She's very popular. I also wait by the stairs to get her attention.

Balthier

I just got back from a three day trip to Berlin and Artemis. Alas, Celina was home in Lithuania for the time being, but would soon be back as far as I could gather.

As far as the practice of picking up girls by the stairs goes, it reached ludicrous proportion this weekend. At the peak hours there was hardly a girl in the main lounge as they were all being picked up as soon as they got out of the showers after their previous session.

I'm writing a comprehensive report of my trip, but due to pressing work commitments it may take a little while to finish. Look for it in the Artemis thread.

Ozzy

[Amorousman40]

Romy (Spanish) has dark hair and a very cute face - she's basically what I would picture Spanish Señorita to look like (i.e. both complexion and facial features are very Mediterranean). She's maybe 165-170 cm tall, and I dare say 2-3 kilos too much for a washboard stomach, but by no means fat. Her breasts are large and nice with a natural look, but upon further inspection small scars give the game away. She provides one hell of a GFE.

You might add she has the most fantastic arse! I saw her about 2 months ago lieing face down as I left the restaurant and I knew I just had to have her. Unfortunately she was talking with a guy whom she soon went off with. The next day I saw her again in same position aboout 6.30. No hesitation went straight up to her and asked whether she was free. Fantastic session! She speaks v. good English. She's 26 and says she's from Malaga. V. assured. Several of the other girls have similar faces. On the previous day I went with a girl called Carmen 21 Rumanian - there's a picture of her on the website. On this occasion I came v. quickly! She was ok. Later in the evening I went with a girl called Alina I think. Anyway she's from Macedonian - late 20's I would say. Diamond piercing in her belly and clit - excellent performer.

[Balthier]

Romy (Spanish) has dark hair and a very cute face - she's basically what I would picture Spanish Señorita to look like (i.e. both complexion and facial features are very Mediterranean). She's maybe 165-170 cm tall, and I dare say 2-3 kilos too much for a washboard stomach, but by no means fat. Her breasts are large and nice with a natural look, but upon further inspection small scars give the game away. She provides one hell of a GFE.

Celina (Selina ? - Lithuania) is a tallish blond, maybe 170-175 cm I'm guessing. Slim, with perfect natural C-cups and a beautiful face. A truly stunning girl who can give a very energetic and passionate performance to boot. She's been all the rage the times I've visited Artemis and she's been present (she lives in Lithuania and commutes to Berlin every now and then, staying at Artemis). If she gets into the main lounge, she's usually grabbed within minutes, so you need to be on your toes to get a session with her. I've sometimes had to place myself by the stairs or just inside the door from the Automaten to snatch her straight away after she's cleaned herself up from a previous session. The fact that you haven't noticed her makes me fear she's no longer working (oh dear god, I can't stand that thought), as you'd surely take notice if you saw her.

Well with Celina I am drawing a complete blank. But with Romy it could be that I have seen her, and indeed spoken with her, quite recently. That is with in the last month. I can not remember the name, but I did have a chat with a girl who pretty closely matches Rommy's decription. Long straight black hair?

She was not really my physical type so I never ended up having a session with her.

As for Adriana-if you show up before 16:00 on a week day I am 99% certain that she will be there-unless she goes on holiday.

And her face is really quite pleasing. To tell the truth I have certainly been with better looking sp's, but Adriana has an over all good looks & sweetness package that is hard to resist and rare in the world of P4P. She often reminds me of a "naught schoolgirl" type. And her body is ripe-that is in a few years she will probably put on a bit of weight but right now she is succulent and drips Russian nectar. Definitely one of the MR gems.

AM

Hi Ozzy/Angus,

I paid a visit to Artemis in March the wonderful Celine was present!

Had 2 great sesions with her. She's very popular. I also wait by the stairs to get her attention.

Balthier

[Angus Magee]

Hi everyone,

Firstly. Thanks to you all, the reports and info on here are extremely helpful to know how the Berlin scene works!

Hi,

Thanks for the report.

I have not visited LD I or II for quite some time but always found them both to be a bit hit & miss. Sometimes there were lots of girls, and on occasion I was turned away as no girls were available. I generally found that they had more, and better, girls available in the evening.

As for quality of service, also hit & miss. I had a few great sessions there, was a regular of one girl who has since left. I also experienced some truly awful sessions. I remember once experiencing a bj that was so bad I actually asked the girl to stop. Almost unheard of I think.

As for Liberty-IMO one of the best in Berlin. I am always treated well there and leave with a smile on my face. I guess Liberty is one of the reasons I gave up going to places like LD I & II. I mean the price is just slightly higher while the atmosphere and quality of girl is way, way higher at Liberty.

[Angus Magee]

If you prebook a girl in a brothel and when you meet her and don't like her, can you ask to see a line-up or will they be upset at you?

In other words, if you prebook a girl, are you obligated to fulfill it?

Hi,

A good question...

Theoretically I would say that you are not obligated until you hand over the fee. In practice though it would not be quite so easy. When you pre book the hausmutti will greet you and then bring you the girl with whom you will discuss prices, length of stay etc. If at that time you decide that she is not what you are looking for you will have to say this to her and ask again to see the hausmutti. Now for me this would not be easy. Maybe for you it would be. I think perhaps I would be able to do it in my mother tongue (diplomatically) but in German it would be hard.

Would they be upset? It probably depends upon the establishment. The better, more service oriented places would not be-or at least they would not show it. The less service oriented places might give you some attitude.

And I have experienced a couple of times that the girl with whom I have pre booked was not available when I arrived. Once the customer before me had extended and then the girl was going home. Once a punter had showed up before me and and claimed that he had an appointment with the girl I had booked. Both times I took it with good humor and asked when the girl would be working again. Just to say that unexpected cancelations can happen both ways and as I say, the better bordellos know this.

[Timewaster]

If you prebook a girl in a brothel and when you meet her and don't like her, can you ask to see a line-up or will they be upset at you?

In other words, if you prebook a girl, are you obligated to fulfill it?

[Jim Power]

Hi everyone,

Firstly. Thanks to you all, the reports and info on here are extremely helpful to know how the Berlin scene works!

Alas, I didn't have as much time as I would have liked in Berlin but I tried a few places. Artemis would have been good for me but not enough time to do it justice!

Having spent a few days on my feet with one thing and another, I dropped into one of the Thai massage parlours (this one: http://www.longma-thaimassage. De/). Choose the 40 minute "traditional" service with Nicky. Had a wonderful massage; very intense, authentic; with a happy ending! Offered drinks afterwards, all for €40, what a bargain. Felt very refreshed afterwards!

Later that day I visited Liberty (http://www.libertyberlin. De/index_2.html). Unfortunately I hadn't checked out the closing time (10pm. Had just assumed it would be much later, as so much else is in Berlin), and arrived there just as it was closing. They let me in for a "quickie". 20 minutes, €20. I saw Klaudia. I actually really liked this place and would return, the rooms are large and well appointed; the ladies friendly and the price.competitive. I enjoyed my 20 minutes!

The following day I went back to La Dolce Vita II (http://www.pinupmodelle. De/home. Htm), a place I'd visited a few years' ago, with excellent results! Not so this time though unfortunately. Maybe it was the time of day (2pm ish). There were three girls on, two of who were too large for my taste. The slim girl, Ina, was very attractive, and I have to say, had the best breasts I've seen in some time. All natural, size appropriate to frame, pert etc. However, I didn't feel a warm personality at the outset and very nearly left without choosing any of them. But having travelled a little out of the town I thought I'd go with it anyway (30 mins, €50). Ah, I should have trusted my instincts and left. A dismal punt, I'm sad to say in my bottom three of all time. Little/no interest during the time we shared (20 minutes). Didn't like receiving oral except for a concentrated effort on her clit. When I ventured further south, I discovered why: a most unpleasant smell! At that point I decided to do the deed and leave hastily.

FWIW. To my shame I have only a few words and phrases of German, certainly not enough for decent communication or negotiation. But found that it wasn't a problem in any of the places above.

I do love the city (for all sorts of reasons! ) and hope to return soon. In the meantime, good luck everyone!

Cheers

Jim

[Penvagano]

Hello again,

I'm looking a girl who offers fisting anal at Berlin (introduce my hand into her ass). If somebody could help me thanks.

[Angus Magee]

Another user (Jason Czecago) at the prague forum posted this article.

"Berlin's "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate".- a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a. M. And 4 p. M. "

"fees have fallen as low as 30 euros in some parts of Berlin and elsewhere, she said. "

Any comments guys? Angus?

Well I certainly haven't seen any discounts being offered in the higher end bordellos (KD, Liberty, Royal) and Artemis recently raised it's entrance fee by 10 Euros. Mon Rouge does offer the "early bird special" (100 Euros/hr. before 16:00 on weekdays) but this is not new as far as I know. And they certainly don't advertise this as a crisis special. It is mentioned nowhere on their web site.

I have seen some of the lower end places advertising frequent flyer specials. But personally I am very service oriented when choosing a bordello or an sp. That is, if the service I get is lousy I will not return for a second session even if it is cheaper. I'd rather pay a bit more and feel satisfied.

Cheap sex is cheap sex. There is a market for it but if I was running a bordello I would look at improving the service the monger receive and bring them back in the door this way. If the girls are being asked to do more for less, eventually this will reflect in the customers being unhappy, unsatisfied and they will just start looking around for a place that does satisfy. No matter how many deals you offer.

I think offering P4P services is a business where you really have to look at the psychology, the reasons men come though your door, in order to improve service and thus keep them coming back to spend their money.

[Timewaster]

Another user (Jason Czecago) at the prague forum posted this article.

"Berlin's "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate".- a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a. M. And 4 p. M. "

"fees have fallen as low as 30 euros in some parts of Berlin and elsewhere, she said. "

Any comments guys? Angus?

Economic Crisis Hits German Sex Industry

By ERIK KIRSCHBAUM, Reuters

BERLIN (April 22) - It did not take long for the world financial crisis to affect the world's oldest profession in Germany. In one of the few countries where prostitution is legal, and unusually transparent, the industry has responded with an economic stimulus package of its own: modern marketing tools, rebates and gimmicks to boost falling demand.

Creating Their Own Stimulus Package
Photo caption:
'It's no secret that nearly every profession around the globe is feeling the effects of the economic crisis -- even prostitution. In Germany, where the world's oldest profession is legal, prostitutes have created their own version of a stimulus package. Brothels, like the GeizHaus in Hamburg, above, are offering, among other things, discounts to help lure back customers.'

Some brothels have cut prices or added free promotions while others have introduced all-inclusive flat-rate fees. Free shuttle buses, discounts for seniors and taxi drivers, as well as "day passes" are among marketing strategies designed to keep business going.

"Times are tough for us too," said Karin Ahrens, who manages the "Yes, Sir" brothel in Hanover. She told Reuters revenue had dropped by 30 percent at her establishment while turnover had fallen by as much as 50 percent at other clubs.
Skip over this content "We're definitely feeling the crisis. Clients are being tight with their money. They're afraid. You can't charge for the extras any more and there is pressure to cut prices. Everyone wants a deal. Special promotions are essential these days."

Germany has about 400,000 professional prostitutes. Official figures do not distinguish between the sexes and the number of male prostitutes is not known, but they account for a small fraction of the total and are treated the same under the law.

In 2002, new legislation allowed prostitutes to advertise and to enter into formal labor contracts. It opened the way for them to obtain health insurance, previously refused if they listed their true profession.

Annual revenues are about 14 billion euros ($18 billion), according to an estimate by the Verdi services union. Taxes on prostitution are an important
source of income for some cities.

Prostitution is also legal and regulated in the Netherlands, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary, Greece, Turkey and in some parts of Australia, and the U.S. state of Nevada.

In other countries, such as Luxembourg, Latvia, Denmark, Belgium and Finland, it is legal but brothels and pimping are not.

'Creative Solutions'

Berlin's "Pussy Club" has attracted media attention with its headline-grabbing "flat rate" -- a 70-euro admission charge for unlimited food, drink and sex between 10 a.m. and 4 p.m.

"You've got to come up with creative solutions these days," said club manager Stefan, who requested his surname not be published. "We're feeling the economic crisis, too, even though business has fortunately been more or less okay for us so far.

"Our offer might sound like it's too good to be true, but it's real. You can eat as much as you want, drink as much as you want and have as much sex as you want." Stefan, who runs other establishments in Heidelberg and Wuppertal besides the Berlin club, said the flat rate had helped keep the 30 women working in each location fully employed.

Other novel ideas used by brothels and prostitutes include loyalty cards, group sex parties and rebates for golf players. Hamburg's "GeizHaus" is especially proud of its discount 38.50 euro price. The city has Germany's most famous red-light district, the Reeperbahn, in the notorious St. Pauli district.
Anke Christiansen, manager of the "GeizHaus," said the effects of the economic crisis were clear. "The regular customers who used to come by two or three times a week are only coming by once or twice a week now."

A "GeizHaus" client, who gave his name as Pascal, said: "Naturally we're all feeling the effects of the crisis." He added that he could no longer afford his usual two or three visits a week.

Guenter Krull, manager of the "FKK Villa" in Hanover, concurred. "The girls are complaining, too, because business is bad and I worry that it's all going to get even worse.

Contingency Plans

Ecki Krumeich, manager of upmarket ##### Club in Berlin, said he resisted pressure to cut prices, although senior citizens and taxi drivers get a 50-percent discount on the 80-euro admission fee on Sundays and Mondays.
"Naturally, we're keeping an eye on the overall economic situation and making contingency plans," said Krumeich, who said his "wellness club" is one of the largest in Europe with about 70 prostitutes.

"Our philosophy is: we provide an important service and even in a recession there are some things people won't do without. Other downmarket places might cut prices but we decided we won't do that. In fact, we raised prices by 10 euros in January."

Stephanie Klee, a prostitute in Berlin and former leader of the German association of sex workers, said even if a few luxury brothels were weathering the storm because of their wealthy regular clientele, many were struggling.
"Just about everyone's turning to advertising in one form or another," she said. "If the consumer electronics shop and the optician come out with rebates and special promotions, why shouldn't we try the same thing?"
While she and her colleagues might have had five or six clients per day a year ago that had fallen to one or even none.

Klee worries, however, that the crisis has led to "price dumping" in some cities -- fees have fallen as low as 30 euros in some parts of Berlin and elsewhere, she said.
"You'll find a lot of customers trying to negotiate prices down now," said Klee. "A 30-year-old came up to me and said 'I lost my job so will you give me a discount?'."
She and others said they were alarmed that amateur prostitutes -- mostly women with low-paid careers -- were increasingly turning to prostitution to make ends meet.

"More and more women are moonlighting on the weekends," said Ahrens. "They're not able to get by with their main job and are in pretty dire straights. For some it works out okay but it's tough for some others and they often don't stay very long."

Additional reporting by Bettina Borgfeld; editing by Andrew Dobbie

[Angus Magee]

I am going the last week of May 09. I have been reading here a lot. Would appreciate some quick help as to where to stay in the city, reasonable hotel? Or other accomodation, and near the action. Are there FKK clubs in Berlin city or couples places that allow single men?

Thanks for your help

There is one FKK in Berlin, Artemis, and a whole thread dedicated to this establishment. I suggest that you have a look at the Artemis thread and then if you have any more specific questions it will be easier to help you find what you want.

And there are also swingers clubs here in Berlin that do accept single men, albeit at a higher entry fee. And there is no guarantee that you will even get laid. Depends upon the night and your own style etc.

I have no experience with swingers clubs as they do not really interest me.
But ask me about Artemis....

[Jackyo]

I am going the last week of May 09. I have been reading here a lot. Would appreciate some quick help as to where to stay in the city, reasonable hotel? Or other accomodation, and near the action. Are there FKK clubs in Berlin city or couples places that allow single men?

Thanks for your help

Any person visiting Berlin for the first time must read Angus' (our resident Berlinmeister) authoritative and encyclopedic posts on what to see and do in the Bundeshauptstadt.

This is a link to all three posts:

http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=776330

Hotel recommendations? Use the search function above and you shall find.

My personal favorite is Hotel Bogota off the Ku'damm.

[Jodi In Heat]

I am going the last week of May 09. I have been reading here a lot. Would appreciate some quick help as to where to stay in the city, reasonable hotel? Or other accomodation, and near the action. Are there FKK clubs in Berlin city or couples places that allow single men?

Thanks for your help

[Ozzy Ozzman]

Well with Celina I am drawing a complete blank. But with Romy it could be that I have seen her, and indeed spoken with her, quite recently. That is with in the last month. I can not remember the name, but I did have a chat with a girl who pretty closely matches Rommy's decription. Long straight black hair?

AM

Yes, Romy's got long, dark hair, though I'm not sure whether it's black or dark brown. It's difficult to tell in those dim lights. She speaks English well with what I (English not being my first language) perceive to be a tiny hint of an American accent. Anyway, the description I've given of her could probably fit a couple of other girls I've seen at Artemis as well (one amongst them being an Argentinian IIRC), so it may not necessarily have been Romy you were speaking with.

Well, in a little over a week I'll be at Artemis to see for myself who's there and who's not. It'll be a considerable disappointed if neither of the two mentioned girls are present, but at least I can take comfort in knowing that there will be an abundance of other beautiful girls there who can "take care of" me. Oh, the anticipation.

Ozzy

[Angus Magee]

Romy (Spanish) has dark hair and a very cute face - she's basically what I would picture Spanish Señorita to look like (i.e. both complexion and facial features are very Mediterranean). She's maybe 165-170 cm tall, and I dare say 2-3 kilos too much for a washboard stomach, but by no means fat. Her breasts are large and nice with a natural look, but upon further inspection small scars give the game away. She provides one hell of a GFE.

Celina (Selina ? - Lithuania) is a tallish blond, maybe 170-175 cm I'm guessing. Slim, with perfect natural C-cups and a beautiful face. A truly stunning girl who can give a very energetic and passionate performance to boot. She's been all the rage the times I've visited Artemis and she's been present (she lives in Lithuania and commutes to Berlin every now and then, staying at Artemis). If she gets into the main lounge, she's usually grabbed within minutes, so you need to be on your toes to get a session with her. I've sometimes had to place myself by the stairs or just inside the door from the Automaten to snatch her straight away after she's cleaned herself up from a previous session. The fact that you haven't noticed her makes me fear she's no longer working (oh dear god, I can't stand that thought), as you'd surely take notice if you saw her.

Well with Celina I am drawing a complete blank. But with Romy it could be that I have seen her, and indeed spoken with her, quite recently. That is with in the last month. I can not remember the name, but I did have a chat with a girl who pretty closely matches Rommy's decription. Long straight black hair?

She was not really my physical type so I never ended up having a session with her.

As for Adriana-if you show up before 16:00 on a week day I am 99% certain that she will be there-unless she goes on holiday;-)

And her face is really quite pleasing. To tell the truth I have certainly been with better looking sp's, but Adriana has an over all good looks & sweetness package that is hard to resist and rare in the world of P4P. She often reminds me of a "naught schoolgirl" type. And her body is ripe-that is in a few years she will probably put on a bit of weight but right now she is succulent and drips Russian nectar. Definitely one of the MR gems.


AM