Berlin

[Angus Magee]

I tried Artemis about 4-5 times and now that the novelty has worn off, I think it is not a great deal! It's great to see 30 or 40 naked girls and just pick one and take her upstairs, but with 80€ entry + 60€ per half hour, you're looking at 140€ for a half hour. If you want kissing or cim you are up to 160€ or more. So I'll still go there every once in awhile, but I prefer to relax, talk and have a girl who is fresh :-) and not in a hurry to go. So I guess 200€ is not so bad for an hour.

You should not be paying any extra for kissing in Artemis. It is supposed to be included in the basic 60 you pay for half an hour. That being said I find that a number of the girls do not kiss. Personally I never push the point as I find that unless a girl is really at least a little bit into the kissing, why bother?

I find also that Artemis requires a but if effort to really get the most from it's available stock of young lovelies. That is, if you try to go there and find that ever elusive GFE you have to invest some time to really search for girls with whom you have some chemistry. Sit, talk, flirt-hard work but somebody has to do it.

My observation on escort agencies is that the higher end ones seem to encourage you to book a girl for multiple hour sessions (i.e. 4 hrs.) with a price that is quite okay when you can afford 150/hour for a 4 hour date.

But if you are going for the hour (at 100 euros) it is a rather hit and miss affair.

[Angus Magee]

Quick question.. which are the best bars and clubs to meet German hotties? Preferably in the centre and upmarket.

Thanks.

Isn't this a bit like asking a pack of dogs where to score free steak?

If I knew that....

Anyway all I can say is that the area around Hackescher Market in Mitte would be a good place to hang out looking for Hotties of all nationalities. There is a strong tourist trade there as well as locals. Rather a young crowd though (by my standards) and you'll have to have your game on I should think.

Also as a place to go on a warm summer evening to hang out and walk, lots of young cute (kind of artsy) girls is on Kastanienallee. from Zionkirschstr. up to the SBahn. There are many outdoor bars & cafes there and I always have thought it may be a good place to meet women. No personal experience though. P4P is maybe just too easy here in Berlin.

I know that I don't really answer your question as you seem to be looking for higher class clubs but I honestly know nothing about this subject as I really don't find clubs much fun. Just saying where I would go if I were a bit more motivated/adventurous.

Good Luck with your hunt and if you do score maybe a short report so that we can all live vicariously through one of our more adventurous brothers.

[Angus Magee]

"What to do?" is a very good question. I think police is of no use. Probably I would have called [or written an email] to these guys: http://www.busd.de/
They seem to offer help in the situations when a girl wants to start or quit the job. Earlier version of their web-page was aslo in Bulgarian and Romanian (not sure about Russian; it's about a year that I havent visited it).

It is very sad to realize that these things are happening. An even though I'm quite sure that most readers in this thread do avoid visiting places which are suspicious of traffiking or any forced service alike, of course this does not solve the problem.

Funny that you should mention this website as it just appeared on the rotlichtadresse homepage.

http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/

In any case I guess it is still active.

Do remember that to be truly anonymous on the web takes a bit of effort.

[I Like Birds]

Am I being too paranoid? Have you ever experienced something similar?

"What to do?" is a very good question. I think police is of no use. Probably I would have called [or written an email] to these guys: http://www.busd.de/
They seem to offer help in the situations when a girl wants to start or quit the job. Earlier version of their web-page was aslo in Bulgarian and Romanian (not sure about Russian; it's about a year that I havent visited it).

It is very sad to realize that these things are happening. An even though I'm quite sure that most readers in this thread do avoid visiting places which are suspicious of traffiking or any forced service alike, of course this does not solve the problem.

[Ash1001]

Quick question.. which are the best bars and clubs to meet German hotties? Preferably in the centre and upmarket.

Thanks.

[Angus Magee]

I realise that this report is getting too long by now, but I really must get this bad vibe off my chest. Should I have explained to the girls and hausmutti that I suspected there was trafficking involved? Ought I contact German authorities anonymousl about my suspicions? How often does a girl come to Germany without speaking a single word of English or German to voluntarily work in a brothel?

Am I being too paranoid? Have you ever experienced something similar?

It is hard to say really what exactly was going on there. I think trafficking may occur in Germany but as prostitution is legal here it is not often too clear if a girl is being coerced or held against her will. And she may have come willingly and then wanted to leave but be obligated in some way, probably financially.

As for what to do? Probably there is not much to do. I mean an anonymous tip to the police would probably not do much. But I guess I could be wrong.

Myself I have never experienced anything seemingly quite so blatant. But there are bordellos (most in Neuköln or the lower side of Kreuzberg) where I have had a bad feeling about the girls and decided not to return.

As for whether or not the situation of being here and speaking no German or English happens often, I have experienced this even at Artemis. Now to be truthful the girl I remember talking with did speak a bit of German, but it was very basic and just the stuff one might pick up at the club in a few weeks work.

Also Anastasia at Desire Erotik in Kreuzberg speaks only Russian and enough German to tell you the price and time.

I guess you need to follow your conscience with this one CB.

[Charles Browne]

Anyone have experience of Kantstraße. Stuttgarter Platz area as my hotel is there.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

A two-minute walk or less up Kaiser Friedrich Strasse (When I say "up" I mean north, toward Charlottenburg Castle), you find FKK La Folie on the right hand side. I recommend that you read my recent comments about the place and make up your own mind about whether to go there: http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...postcount=2023

I would absolutely go again, since their entrance fee is so low. Just be prepared to take contact with the ladies, even though they look disinterested

Just across the street from La Folie is KSF40 "Modelle" - my recommentation is to give the place a wide berth and to keep walking until you pass. But if you like chubby eastern European girls and 40+ German women who look as if they've had a rough life, by all means ring the bell and ask to see the line-up. They might be solid service providers for all I know. I've seen them get good reviews. But I had a very bad experience there the other night, which you can read about right below your own post.

There are a few tourist traps around Stuttgarter Platz - strip joints where they promise "strip tease and more" if you ask what they have to offer. Don't fall for it.

Hope you get the time to do some mongering, mate!

[Hektor T]

Sorry for the typos earlier.

Yes. It is www.intimer-escort. De (and not com) and the link to Nadia is http://intimer-escort. De/girls/nadia/index.html

The 2nd link is www.berlinintim. De (there was a space before the de in my earlier note).

The 3rd link is http://www.berlin-beauties. De/ (wrote Berliner by mistake)

Reg the note on verkehr ohne kondom below, I have seen ads on kjiji offering this but always accompanied by something called a "schnelltest". I am not sure what it means. As I said before, though my impression was the site was unreliable, local German friends swear by it. May be it has to do with my bad german speaking
DP

These sites seem pretty good. I'm finally starting to get an idea of how the Berlin escort scene works. I think there are lots of very average (not especially attractive) escorts going for 150€/hour, sometimes less. Then for any girl that looks pretty it is at least 200€/hour. Once you get into that price range extra services like oral without condom, french kiss and maybe some other extras are already included.

www.mc-escort.de seems to have more high quality girls. It's in German, but there are two pages that are good

Classified ads
http://www.mc-escort.de/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=49

Call Girls
http://www.mc-escort.de/escort-galer...images.php?c=2

Also there are ads for many high end German agencies (that are more expensive!) and escort reviews (in German)

I tried Artemis about 4-5 times and now that the novelty has worn off, I think it is not a great deal! It's great to see 30 or 40 naked girls and just pick one and take her upstairs, but with 80€ entry + 60€ per half hour, you're looking at 140€ for a half hour. If you want kissing or cim you are up to 160€ or more. So I'll still go there every once in awhile, but I prefer to relax, talk and have a girl who is fresh :-) and not in a hurry to go. So I guess 200€ is not so bad for an hour.

Also: I bet schnelltest means instant HIV test. I wouldn't trust that (or these girls) since the virus can take several weeks to show up in a test!

[Arthur 1759]

http://www.redlightboard.com/subboar...4e5659347295d5

Working in Berlin next week and discovered this info site, sorry if it has been posted before, did not find it by searching. In german but easy enough to follow.

If (BIG IF! ) I have time to mong, due to work commitments, I will post reports. Anyone have experience of Kantstraße. Stuttgarter Platz area as my hotel is there.

Thanks in advance for any tips.

[Charles Browne]

have you ever started a session with a girl, where everything just felt wrong to you? if so, what did you do about it?

i've visited berlin for about a week now, and have had several nice encounters in the fkk scene. but before i report on them, there is something i need to get off my chest. on the evening of easter friday, just as my trip to germany was about to end, i went up to an old apartment style brothel just across the street from fkk la folie on kaiser friedrich strasse 40 for a "quicky" which turned out to be quicker than anticipated.

back in the autumn of 2004 i visited modelle kfs40 http://www.kfs40.de/modelle.html three times. i had two sessions with a very thin young german girl called pamela (pam) and a session with a tall, bubbly black girl called tracy, who had a set of c-cup natural tits the like of which i have never seen since. i really liked the establishment, so i felt a return visit was in order:

upon arrival at the address, i rang the doorbell and was buzzed in. quick jog up a flight of stairs, then greeted discreetly by the "hausmutti" of the evening. i was shown into a room and the line-up was presented. i don't remember all the names, but i am sure about natalie, katia, julia - most around 25-30 years old i would say, and none would rate higher than a 4 on my list. one of the girls was very thin and looked quite elfin at first glance - unfortunately, i seem to have lost her name, but it was something like "trixie" - since i like thin young-looking girls, i went for her.

the hausmutti disappeared and the girl i had chosen (let's say she was called "trixie" for the sake of brevity) appeared, accompanied by one of the other girls who explained that since trixie spoke neither german nor english, she would handle the negotiations and then leave us to our business. that threw me off a bit, because communication is always important, but nonetheless i followed the girls to a room. i went for the 20 minutes for 35 euro deal, because that was all i had time for.

as i undressed and trixie peeled off her panties and bra, the sharper light of this new room revealed that she had something of a skin condition, and that her elfin face didn't look quite so young and appealing up close. rather, she looked anorexic and sickly. i tried communicating with her and got something like a reply when i tried asking where she was from. not russia, not ukraine, but maybe romania. i got a nod to that name, anyway. she seemed very shy, yet determined to make the session work as she put down a blanket on the bed and lay down.

i got so far as to lie down beside her. i caressed her leg and buttock quite gently and searched her eyes for some kind of connection, but she only looked away and seemed uncomfortable about making eye contact. she also took no initiative of her own, and when i tried placing her hand on my scrotum she obliged, but made no effort to do anything other than hold it there. i also nothed that her (yellow) teeth were worn down to stumps - presumably by anorexia and bulimia.

again, i tried to communicate, but she looked away, smiled as if either very shy or frightened and attempting to hide it. there was nothing sexual or sensual about us lying there, just a big chunk of uncomfortableness on both parts (if there is such a word).

as you might have guessed, i had gotten the "victim of trafficking" vibe by this time, and i felt very bad and uncomfortable about the whole situation. i excused myself, got up and started to dress. she looked at me questioningly for a while, but since we couldn't communicate there was no way for me to explain why i was leaving. i just made some soothing noises and mumbled "kein problem" and left.

i told the girls in the waiting room that i was leaving, and they seemed intent on making me stay and explain why i was leaving, but i felt so uncomfortable that i simply had to get out and away. besides, two seconds in that room would have clogged my lungs with tobacco smoke. i left without asking for a refund and without really wanting one. i made sure to say nothing bad about trixie.

i realise that this report is getting too long by now, but i really must get this bad vibe off my chest. should i have explained to the girls and hausmutti that i suspected there was trafficking involved? ought i contact german authorities anonymousl about my suspicions? how often does a girl come to germany without speaking a single word of english or german to voluntarily work in a brothel?

am i being too paranoid? have you ever experienced something similar?

[Angus Magee]

Acting on information on this thread, I visited Salon Prestige last December while on a “grand tour” of Germany. It was my first experience on the mongering scene in Berlin, and I’m afraid it didn’t amount to much.

Thanks for the report. Salon Prestige is the "sister" bordello to Liberty in Schöneberg. One would think that the two places would be very similar in terms of service and girls. This has not been my experience.

Now to be fair I have visited SP perhaps 3-4 times. Liberty is a regular haunt of mine. My sessions at SP have ranged from not very good, to okay. Never have I had a spectacular session there. I am not sure why this would be. The girls on the home page always look fine but there is something about the service in the place that is lacking IMO.

No doubt one can also have a so-so session at Liberty. Maybe I am just lucky with my choice of girls at Liberty but it is rare that I leave there feeling really dissatisfied.

Anyway-next time you are in Berlin I would recommend Artemis or perhaps drop me a line and if I am able I will send along a tip of who to see at Liberty.

AM

[Rocketboy0]

Acting on information on this thread, I visited Salon Prestige last December while on a “grand tour” of Germany. It was my first experience on the mongering scene in Berlin, and I’m afraid it didn’t amount to much. ...

At first, I felt that my lack of German was crucial for my having such a bad experience. It may still be the case, but on reflection I came to the verdict that there was too much there that didn’t make me comfortable. The strict time-keeping, for starters, and the lack of enthusiasm of the provider could not be all blamed on bad communication skills. ...

The whole FKK experience appealed much more to my tastes. Too bad I did not find the time to visit Artemis while in Berlin!

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Really I think just bad luck-I've met 2 wonderful players at Prestige- many repeats. With small places, and the pressure to choose quickly, it can happen that the chemistry is just bad. Just because she is hot, doesn't mean she's comfortable with you, or the situtation. Always always worth talking at least a little before choosing-you can easily do it before she leaves the room and the next comes in. Normally you can feel the vibe, read body language. The FKK advantage is you can take more time for small talk. But of course sometimes it just happens and it doesn't work out, regardless of where.

I find talk first a bit (most do speak some English-it's more important that you try and just laugh about it, and give a short massage before going for it helps a lot. It's just kind of crazy to expect all women to just close the door, and hop to it (some do, some and really most don't- they are different.) It takes 2 to tango. It's all about being open and comfortable.

Don't give up on the small houses because there really are some great experiences on offer. Art'ms and its other city sisters have their charms but some times it feels like a bahnhoff. And with their prices going up, the small places can actually be a better deal.

[Coriolanus]

Acting on information on this thread, I visited Salon Prestige last December while on a “grand tour” of Germany. It was my first experience on the mongering scene in Berlin, and I’m afraid it didn’t amount to much.

I reached their location on a cold afternoon, ringed the bell and was greeted by a business-like lady that led me to a room. With my zero-German skills, I understood that I was to wait in the room for the available girls, who would stop by so I could make a selection. Only two showed up: first came a fairly good-looking long-legged brunette, and after her a much older and almost unpleasant-looking woman. Let us just say I was not spoilt for choice.

The desk lady came back and we settled the price with a combination of gestures and writing (60 Euro for 30 minutes, paid in advance). Next, I just had to wait in their very nicely appointed room for my lady to return. She didn’t take long, and came in looking at me in a funny way, as if asking, “Why the hell aren’t you undressed already”?

Then we proceeded to one of the most mechanical encounters I remember having. The girl was pretty, the setting was nice, but the vibe was wrong. It happens, I guess. It didn’t help that she gave me a covered BJ. I rushed to end the session and was happy that she left the room before the half hour was over.

At first, I felt that my lack of German was crucial for my having such a bad experience. It may still be the case, but on reflection I came to the verdict that there was too much there that didn’t make me comfortable. The strict time-keeping, for starters, and the lack of enthusiasm of the provider could not be all blamed on bad communication skills.

That impression was only reinforced later on in my trip, once I visited FKK Samya in Cologne (I've posted a report on that in the FKK Samya thread). I was not yet acquainted with the FKK concept, and that first experience was an eye-opener. The whole FKK experience appealed much more to my tastes. Too bad I did not find the time to visit Artemis while in Berlin!

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[Angus Magee]

artemis=only small/normal tits.

I'm sad

So what can I do?

It's impossible to live this dream?

No I would not say that at all. There are some very large chested ladies at Artemis. Just that when you show us your ideal girls I see that they are
extraordinarily endowed and that you may not find someone quite with those dimensions.

[Estief]

i found this ad on rotlichtadresse:

http://www.rotlichtadresse.de/

she claims to have the biggest natural breasts in berlin.

http://www.geiles-modell.de/

but...she seems to be older and not really as "hot" as the examples you sent.
as rocketboy mentions, there is a trade off as with breasts of this size you are getting into bbw territory.

you might also try herz down in templehof.

http://www.herzberlin.de/

thanks a lot angus for the links.....

there does seem to be a couple of ladies there that might not completely fit the bill but pretty close.

and i have to say that i have never seen at artemis breasts of the dimension that you like. but then i might not notice as the following is a link to a girl who i find to have pretty much the perfect breasts.

http://www.royalgirl.de/models/php/o...deWord901]</a>

shall we say that our tastes differ.

"and i have to say that i have never seen at artemis breasts of the dimension that you like"

thanks a lot angus, your links are good but this bad new is too bad.

artemis=only small/normal tits.

i'm sad

so what can i do?

it's impossible to live this dream?