Frankfurt

[Kosher Kowboy]

No, I am referring to the Villa Verde industrial area (see below).


On my way back stopped by a club in a hotel (forget the name of the hotel. It is on the first or second floor with outside access). Mostly Eastern Europeans also South Americans/ girls from DR and Caribbean, but, it was 50 E for the whole thing. I am content with LFK and CBJ so didn't ask for anything out of the ordinary. Very friendly. A Moroccan girl kinda talked big game in the club, but fizzled in the room. A Drew Barrymore look alike Maldovan was great though. There were Russians as well.
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I looked at the map, and when you mention the cars all rings a bell now, this area is about 10 minutes south of Legazpi and the big industrial complex I was thinking of houses a club in a hotel which is like the only commercial place on site. Maybe this is the same club, thought it was 60/120 but the girls are all South American and EE and majority of the guys are Spaniards. If the same club it might have been Whiskeria Estark which is in the bottom of the Hotel Diana Plus. The girls stay upstairs. All fucking onsite and you have to buy a drink upon entry. This club is 9 km per google maps. Maybe you went to a different club??

But if back in Madrid, I want to try out Estark, on the Spanish boards for Madrid you will find dedicated forums for this club. Many say half the price of Vive and double the service.

Was it this club?

https://esaschicas.com/showthread.ph...rk-Hotel-Diana

[ECity045]

Curious where this was. I know where they all are just off the Gran Via and Calle Montero. I too found many to be pretty almost tempting but their prices were the same as some of the brothels, I thought the same thing of the girls walking around my hotel area of Berlin, they were everywhere!

No, I am referring to the Villa Verde industrial area (see below).

https://www.google.com/maps/place/Ca... d-3. 7089705.

All the roads in this area had a number of street walkers. At 3 pm, I came across more than 6 or 7 girls not more than 21 years old, very beautiful college girls look, only wanted 20 E for everything. I did enjoy a couple of them in my car. I wanted to take one back to my hotel room near the airport and she didn't want to go. If I had given her 200 E she might have come for two hours or so I think, but, I didn't want the risk at that point. The car play was good. It seems folks drive in, have fun in the car with the girls and leave. The sides of the roads in general were littered with covers (similar to the main drag in LA where street walkers are found) but the cleaners were on the job.

On my way back stopped by a club in a hotel (forget the name of the hotel. It is on the first or second floor with outside access). Mostly Eastern Europeans also South Americans/ girls from DR and Caribbean, but, it was 50 E for the whole thing. I am content with LFK and CBJ so didn't ask for anything out of the ordinary. Very friendly. A Moroccan girl kinda talked big game in the club, but fizzled in the room. A Drew Barrymore look alike Maldovan was great though. There were Russians as well.

Hope I come across such beauties in Frankfurt but I am not expecting to be out after 1030 pm or during the weekend nights.

[Kosher Kowboy]

Some of the streetwalkers in the Industrial area of Madrid were very pretty .

Curious where this was. I know where they all are just off the Gran Via and Calle Montero. I too found many to be pretty almost tempting but their prices were the same as some of the brothels, I thought the same thing of the girls walking around my hotel area of Berlin, they were everywhere!

Are you by chance talking of the area south of Atocha as you head down to that Legazpi area? I hear that is the ' white trash' section of town and all industrial at the end. A Madrid poster once sent me an article about this Legazpi area and it is littered with sleazy Spanish brothels and girls fucking for 5-10-20 Euros in some. Madrid's RLD I think one writer referred to it as. Several girls I am told walk the streets here too. 20 e-25 e cab ride from the Gran Via area.

Is this the area you are referring to?

I think you will do just fine in Germany, the RLD is a cake walk if one knows how to properly pre-screen although like anywhere there will be some lemons, not many. All seemed nice. As others pointed out many nicer than some (far from all) of the arrogant kunts who work in the FKKs and think they are doing us a favor selling us sex. This includes some of my Queens in fact, I simply play their game. Takes two to tango.

I think you will be pleasantly surprised, the stairs are more of a bi*tch than the girls

[ECity045]

Or maybe the late night loud and obnoxious guys who walk in packs and hurl insults at the girls and / or lowball them insulting or simply kick tires and act like jerks. They do come out at night more so than daytime. Maybe this is why I get lucky at night, the girls get to choose between my 50 e or these slimeballs trying to pay 20 e or even less being rude to them! Perhaps I am given a good deal and good service since compared to the other guys there at the time I ' win' by default. Although I would like to think I am nice and respectful. Maybe it is a combo. Or maybe it is part of my plan

I agree with your comments on taking time and Optimist hits a key point to find the girl who is relaxed and unhurried when talking at the door; that is a true seasoned comment from an RLD (any city) goer; I mentioned the same trend when I am shopping, to judge their ' hallway' behavior and watch their eyes. Both great indicators of how the session will go. Their behavior when the door is still open and their behavior once it is closed are much more often related than non-related. Guess the Americans and the Brits think alike

Thanks KK and Optimist for screening suggestions.

Hopefully, I would not have to deal with packs of obnoxious guys. I have not had to deal with such in Amsterdam. Some of the streetwalkers in the Industrial area of Madrid were very pretty (9/10) and I didnot see them being insulted by anyone. May be I am not out that late- I tend to pack up by 1030 pm. So, we'll see how it goes in Germany.

[Kosher Kowboy]

KK. Thanks for all the info. Yes, my view on pricing is clearly not the whole picture. I should have added that I think one reason I don't get the lowest prices might be that I usually only try the very slim girls. And I am a useless negotiator when it gets under 50. So I am sure others like yourself with more skill and less obsessed with the skinny girls can get 30 euro deals. So, EC, sorry if I misled a little: KK's experience is probably more applicable.

I will now get back to fending off WhatsApp requests.

EC,

Optimist makes some good points here on how he and I may experience different pricing offers that being we aren't exactly fishing in the same ponds and if we are not the same fish so return will always be different. Likewise Lanthano and I fish out of the same pond often (he does do more houses overall but does frequent my favorite two places often or better said I frequent his places) and often we go for different fish and other times some fish we catch are common to both just different services thus a varying price.

Note the houses from past posts where Optimist has had luck (or not) as well as the ones Lanthano frequents and what he pays and enjoys and mine for that matter and keep in mind those locations, what the 3 of us like to pay and the services we all seek and IMHO you should be able to map your way to a successful journey to the RLD; just connect the dots of what is in front of you now and off to the races you go.

[Optimist]

KK. Thanks for all the info. Yes, my view on pricing is clearly not the whole picture. I should have added that I think one reason I don't get the lowest prices might be that I usually only try the very slim girls. And I am a useless negotiator when it gets under 50. So I am sure others like yourself with more skill and less obsessed with the skinny girls can get 30 euro deals. So, EC, sorry if I misled a little: KK's experience is probably more applicable.

I will now get back to fending off WhatsApp requests.

[Kosher Kowboy]

One bonus with rld girls is that I never found one who was in desperate financial need to rescue a sick relative from the jaws of death, and who declared to me that I was the only person in the world she could turn to for money lol "please help me, I have only you in the world"

I am starting to get variations of those stories, I had to adjust my WhatsApp setting for a few so I can ' hide' and not be around for these silly requests. Mom about to lose the house I need money,. I need money to get home to Romania for the holidays. I need money to return to Germany from Romania. My kid is sick and he needs warmer clothes, last year's do not fit him anymore. Or simply, ' Where is my Christmas gift?'...... They are behaving ( some) just like the Latina ones here did in past years when dealing with them. I found myself ( as I did with the Colombia girls in Panama and the Mexican girls too) deleted from the phones of two Romanians now for the first time ever, guess send no money ' get chopped'

Apologies that I am not understanding this as I have not been to the RLD. Care to provide a bit more context? I always treat the providers with respect, so I am missing something.

Want a good service girl? Pay more than standard or go to an FKK.

But yes, there are some there. Treat them with respect and often you'll get a good deal back. Don't be the usual shit that shows up in the RLD that makes me feel sorry for the girls there.

EC, I think he is referring to me

Or maybe the late night loud and obnoxious guys who walk in packs and hurl insults at the girls and / or lowball them insulting or simply kick tires and act like jerks. They do come out at night more so than daytime. Maybe this is why I get lucky at night, the girls get to choose between my 50 e or these slimeballs trying to pay 20 e or even less being rude to them! Perhaps I am given a good deal and good service since compared to the other guys there at the time I ' win' by default. Although I would like to think I am nice and respectful. Maybe it is a combo. Or maybe it is part of my plan

EC.

Just been on a trip down memory lane and found this which may help on the geography.

http://jako.dapnet.de/main-f.htm

Jako did a great job. He was an awesone Master in this business. Not sure when it was last updated, but I do know it is still being used as a reference by German regulars

You mention pricing of 25 to 30. I rarely achieve that, being a foreigner, so don't be downhearted if you pay a bit more than the locals.

Take your time, find a girl who is relaxed and unhurried when talking at the door, and then you have more chance of finding a good service girl. I have even had girls sit and chat with me after the main part of the session, and share their beer (unusual, but not unknown), and even offer a second round for free (only happened once)

I agree with your comments on taking time and Optimist hits a key point to find the girl who is relaxed and unhurried when talking at the door; that is a true seasoned comment from an RLD (any city) goer; I mentioned the same trend when I am shopping, to judge their ' hallway' behavior and watch their eyes. Both great indicators of how the session will go. Their behavior when the door is still open and their behavior once it is closed are much more often related than non-related. Guess the Americans and the Brits think alike (sometimes).

But I am not in full agreement with Optimist (rarely happens, thru DNA sharing via some common girls I think our thought processes are often in sync) that you won't find what you want for 25-30 as they all tell me that (actually 20-30) but like the Sharks once did they all think I am German, greet me in German, I reply in German and for whatever reason the prices quoted seem no different than the slew of reviews on German sites have girls quoting and being paid, in fact I see some of the locals paying more and for less. Comes back to what Lanthano said, be nice and respectful and do not behave like the jerks and you will be fine. He also mentioned for better service go to an FKK (which may be true but FKK vs RLD is an apple to an orange) but he also hinted pay a little more so maybe tossing them an extra 5-10 Euros will get you what you want. If that is the case just toss them the few extras, not like you live there, you can't go daily and adjust to the inventory and asking prices you can only pay who is available at that time and work the offers on the table as like myself you are on a schedule and it is not a 24/7/365 option for you so do what is best for you! Your cock, your time, your money make the best of it (just be nice to them, they are good girls, like my Gypsies).

Optimist, impressive map even outdated as Lanthano points out still provides a good guide to the naked eye who has never been there; reminds me of the early 2 Ks when we went to the Mexican border towns, we had maps just like that except you could actually click on the room and sometimes a picture would pop up of the girl and / or notes on what she does and links to her reviews.

[ECity045]

Don't be the usual shit that shows up in the RLD that makes me feel sorry for the girls there.

Apologies that I am not understanding this as I have not been to the RLD. Care to provide a bit more context? I always treat the providers with respect, so I am missing something.

[ECity045]

EC.

Just been on a trip down memory lane and found this which may help on the geography.

http://jako.dapnet.de/main-f.htm

Jako did a great job. He was an awesone Master in this business. Not sure when it was last updated, but I do know it is still being used as a reference by German regulars

You mention pricing of 25 to 30. I rarely achieve that, being a foreigner, so don't be downhearted if you pay a bit more than the locals.

Thanks very much Optimist. This map is great. I will heed your warning about the 25 to 30. That is a bummer then, and with my pickiness I may find it difficult to achieve that. But, I can do is easily walk away in general, so this good to know.

[Optimist]

Lanthano. Thanks for the correction.

As for rld vs FKK, I'll bow out as I haven't been to rld for six months. In the past I always struck very lucky in rld, which is why I kept going back. The secret is largely as you say.

One bonus with rld girls is that I never found one who was in desperate financial need to rescue a sick relative from the jaws of death, and who declared to me that I was the only person in the world she could turn to for money lol "please help me, I have only you in the world"

[Lanthano]

EC.

Just been on a trip down memory lane and found this which may help on the geography.

http://jako.dapnet.de/main-f.htm

Jako did a great job. He was an awesone Master in this business. Not sure when it was last updated, but I do know it is still being used as a reference by German regulars

You mention pricing of 25 to 30. I rarely achieve that, being a foreigner, so don't be downhearted if you pay a bit more than the locals.

Take your time, find a girl who is relaxed and unhurried when talking at the door, and then you have more chance of finding a good service girl. I have even had girls sit and chat with me after the main part of the session, and share their beer (unusual, but not unknown), and even offer a second round for free (only happened once)

I am sorry I don't have any reliable update info on girls as I have not been for six months

Good luck

A bit dated, E55 and BG 10 (unless I missed it each time) don't exist anymore. But still an ok reference.

I'm not sure how relaxed they'll be, it's still a mostly fast-food service there.

Want a good service girl? Pay more than standard or go to an FKK.

But yes, there are some there. Treat them with respect and often you'll get a good deal back. Don't be the usual shit that shows up in the RLD that makes me feel sorry for the girls there.

[Optimist]

EC.

Just been on a trip down memory lane and found this which may help on the geography.

http://jako.dapnet.de/main-f.htm

Jako did a great job. He was an awesone Master in this business. Not sure when it was last updated, but I do know it is still being used as a reference by German regulars

You mention pricing of 25 to 30. I rarely achieve that, being a foreigner, so don't be downhearted if you pay a bit more than the locals.

Take your time, find a girl who is relaxed and unhurried when talking at the door, and then you have more chance of finding a good service girl. I have even had girls sit and chat with me after the main part of the session, and share their beer (unusual, but not unknown), and even offer a second round for free (only happened once)

I am sorry I don't have any reliable update info on girls as I have not been for six months

Good luck

[Lanthano]

Don't go to Palace. Convenient but one clear notch down from O or S. Personally I find Oase a bit sharky of all things and Sharks a bit more laid back. But that's just me. Either is great but skip Palace.

Surprise surprise.

Link to your post : http://www.InternationalSexGuide.nl/forum/showthread.php?p=2253320

[ECity045]

Also, learn to read these girls eyes and it just isn't the eye contact. These girls read our eyes, I can see it, no pun intended. Do the same. I have yet to have one bad session in the RLD of Frankfurt, the opposite in AMS but I was also a kid back than, ran about a 65-75 percent rate of good sessions, so far (fingers crossed) I have yet to muff a punt in the RLD. Shooting fish in barrels if you play your cards right. I would also suggest to ' make a friend' on each floor who will point you to others who will take care of you.

Thanks for the quick reply KK. I will at least do a walk through of various places once on a weekday. I would perhaps go to Sharks one day, but these RLDs are enticing at 20 to 25. I am not into BBBJ or AO, so as long as the girl is friendly and ready for multiple positions with some LFK I would be all set.

[Kosher Kowboy]

I get it that E44 and T32 are next to each other. But, it is really hard to gather all the information that is there in 1000's of posts. Although when one is physically there it might get easier, it would be immensely useful for newbs if one of you RLD regulars (KK, Optmist, Lanthano) could post a list of the houses, it will be a great reference.
Cheers.

The two are next to each other and E44 has two entrances, if facing it there is one on the left a dinky little annex, the right one is the one you go up. My advise is if new just stick to E44 and T32 or not, just walk any house. I went to T32 for one reason and one reason only and it all worked out yet others find exactly what I like in other houses. In fact one can almost ignore what I or anyone has written and go pave your own path. One guy went to T32 and couldn't find AO, I went there because a friend did and he found nothing but AO. Lanthano loves T32 (I think) but he doesn't go for AO so there you have it, the RLD is a giant mixing bowl with a bunch of tutes tossed in to it and placed in different houses. Exploration is the only answer. There may seem like a lot but most are concentrated within feet of each other over a small area of just a few streets. It is far from the massive sprawling RLD that Amsterdam is. T / E streets form a cross and most houses you or anyone have read about are all within a 2 min walk of this intersection.

Also keep in mind between Lanthano, Optimist and myself you are looking at three (all very nice) but extremely different guys when it comes to style, desires, tactics and so on. Lanthano and I seem to fish out of the same pond while Optimist who seeks much what I do fishes with better success elsewhere. There really is no rhyme or rhythm to the RLD, IMO one just has to go and start. Optimist seems to have luck in T34 while a guy I know asked for AO there and nearly got tossed out the window by a herd of angry girls.

FWIW a few great reports have been coming out of T27 recently, probably worth a peak. AO and non AO reports.

Since I am there so infrequently, for me I am going to stick to what works, only change a losing game and for me T32 and E44 work just great but I plan to work on T27 (coat tail a tad) and also check out T34 the Rote Haus. I know why Lanthano doesn't like it from his posts and from knowing him and having had many a mongering discussion but we vary greatly despite our common love for mongering and the enjoyment of filling others in thru writing. One reason he doesn't like it is why I think it may work for me and I combine that with what I know of the style of Optimist and I think I know exactly what to do in that place to hunt down a poorly behaved woman just reading between the lines of both gents.

I can give you one tip however that seems to also have been the same in Amsterdam. 15-25 years apart in the times I visited but the same holds true. In my experiences and I can not speak for any others there is a time when the girl in the window, the doorway, the stool outside etc engages the passing john in conversation. More times than not the girls who have tried to rush me in to the room and spend less time talking and / or answering questions are also the ones who are going to rush you the fuck out once the door closes. Pass on them. Most likely if you need an extra minute to cum or a little extra patience from her to get off you won't get it; instead you will get a ' times up' or ' more time will cost you more.' Play your cards right from the get go and avoid them.

Also, learn to read these girls eyes and it just isn't the eye contact. These girls read our eyes, I can see it, no pun intended. Do the same. I have yet to have one bad session in the RLD of Frankfurt, the opposite in AMS but I was also a kid back than, ran about a 65-75 percent rate of good sessions, so far (fingers crossed) I have yet to muff a punt in the RLD. Shooting fish in barrels if you play your cards right. I would also suggest to ' make a friend' on each floor who will point you to others who will take care of you.