Frankfurt

[FunExplorer]

This forum and thread have been great source of information, and indeed inspiration, for me, so it would be bad form to not leave a report.

In Frankfurt temporarily with work for a few weeks, first time visitor to the city. No friends to call on for company but I hear company can be had in this city for a nominal fee, so onto the web I went to conduct some research. RLD was the first obvious choice but while exploring the city after work on a rented bike I ended up in what I perceived to be a very bad part of town and started pedalling a little bit faster to get the hell out of there, only as I was whizzing through the main thoroughfare did I notice the abundance of red lights on windows, aha. RLD is out, or at least it was until I read forum reports that while a bit seedy it is perfectly safe, so maybe I might take a wander in. However I'm a timid fellow so descending into the heart of sleaze takes some courage, dutch courage to be precise..

Good report from a newbie. Keep it up.

[Optimist]

Havana. Great first report. You describe well the first visit to an FKK: I still remember mine vividly some 16 years ago. Bad news that BBBJ is now an extra.

As for your RLD romance. Many of us have been there also. I always enjoy the bittersweet experience of getting on so well with a worker that the sessions get more and longer, until the inevitable and often difficult parting. Yes you are right: it is the money which counts, but they like some clients more than others.

Cheers.

[Expresso Jim]

Love love loved your report, Havanite. One of the most informative I've read in years. Though it's been 10 years since I've been to the RDL in Frankfurt, I felt like I was walking up those infernal stairs. Back when I was Germany, 2004/2007, lots of Spanish girls and every few from Romania and Bulgaria. Again, good job!

This forum and thread have been great source of information, and indeed inspiration, for me, so it would be bad form to not leave a report.

In Frankfurt temporarily with work for a few weeks, first time visitor to the city. No friends to call on for company but I hear company can be had in this city for a nominal fee, so onto the web I went to conduct some research. RLD was the first obvious choice but while exploring the city after work on a rented bike I ended up in what I perceived to be a very bad part of town and started pedalling a little bit faster to get the hell out of there, only as I was whizzing through the main thoroughfare did I notice the abundance of red lights on windows, aha. RLD is out, or at least it was until I read forum reports that while a bit seedy it is perfectly safe, so maybe I might take a wander in. However I'm a timid fellow so descending into the heart of sleaze takes some courage, dutch courage to be precise. Days go by and I have yet to muster up the courage to venture in, the evening drinking alone in the apartment has become heavier and heavier as the nights went by and one Thursday night with a few in me I decide it's time, down I go. Into the shop on Mosel to buy myself a walking beer first, then into the first Haus I come across, up the stairs, things are not looking good, optics as you guys call it are not good and the stairwells are scruffy, but onwards and upwards I go, to the top, no joy..

[Mechantic]

This forum and thread have been great source of information, and indeed inspiration, for me, so it would be bad form to not leave a report.

In Frankfurt temporarily with work for a few weeks, first time visitor to the city. No friends to call on for company but I hear company can be had in this city for a nominal fee, so onto the web I went to conduct some research. RLD was the first obvious choice but while exploring the city after work on a rented bike I ended up in what I perceived to be a very bad part of town and started pedalling a little bit faster to get the hell out of there, only as I was whizzing through the main thoroughfare did I notice the abundance of red lights on windows, aha. RLD is out, or at least it was until I read forum reports that while a bit seedy it is perfectly safe, so maybe I might take a wander in. However I'm a timid fellow so descending into the heart of sleaze takes some courage, dutch courage to be precise. Days go by and I have yet to muster up the courage to venture in, the evening drinking alone in the apartment has become heavier and heavier as the nights went by and one Thursday night with a few in me I decide it's time, down I go. Into the shop on Mosel to buy myself a walking beer first, then into the first Haus I come across, up the stairs, things are not looking good, optics as you guys call it are not good and the stairwells are scruffy, but onwards and upwards I go, to the top, no joy. Over the road to another Haus, can't remember the number on Mosel, not too much better but on the 2nd or 3rd floor a dark skinned lady doesn't look too bad, 25 eur, OK let's go. Bad move, once the clothes came of the body was not a pretty sight (she was actually a perfectly nice person so I feel bad for such harsh judgement but I can only be honest), and once I had a proper look at her face her skin wasn't in good shape. But I've paid so let's get it over with, I think I'll give a few quick pumps and say thanks and disappear, or so I thought, while going from behind she starts massaging the two veg and things start happening, not to late to bail I think, the little fella thinks differently and starts speeding up, blast off. Shit. Off I go on my rented bike back to the apartment feeling a little bit violated and dirty, maybe this hooring business isn't for me.

Back home to the web for more research, turns out that apparently spending all of 10 minutes looking in the RLD and taking the first thing that comes along will not yield good results. Tomorrow is another night, back down for another walking beer and some exercise up the steps, went into a few in Taunus and eventually settled on a young Romanian in Rotes Haus, 30 eur for basic 20 minutes, I couldn't finish so gave her another 50 eur for another half an hour as I needed some time, great service from this girl, great body, nice face, passionate in all positions using her hands, offered kissing at no extra cost but I'm not into that. Finished from behind with a great ball massage which I am now becoming quite partial to. Nice massage and conversation after, now you just relax she said, so no rushing out the door, by my watch it was nearly an hour so about what I paid for. Walked down the road with a spring in my step, this is what I was looking for, although in hindsight 80 e for what could have been had for 50 was a lesson learned, but everyone's got to be a newbie at first and these WGs need to get some easy money I suppose, getting shagged for money can't be great life no matter how much cash they earn.

A few other visits with varying results, one stunner who was a complete starfish but I somehow managed to finished in missionary, although I'm glad I visited her because I saw her in the airport a few weeks later looking all prim and proper and that brought a little smile to face. Another petite Romanian who I returned to a couple of times who performed great oral and had a tight little body that had me blasting off in no time at all, once the appropriate position at the rear was taken.

Ok RLD is done, apparently I hear you have these clubs called FKK, which the threads for are filled with conflicting information on which one is best, so I eventually just tossed a coin, Oase it is. Friday evening on the train to Bad Homburg about 7 pm with the sun starting to set, get off the train and need to get a taxi but now the nerves are at me again, I'm having second thoughts, RLD is one thing but an enclosed club on my own might not be my thing. A stroll around Bad Homburg to gather my thoughts and psyche myself up, didn't take long to be fair, straight into a taxi and out we go. I'm not long into my robe and ordering my first beer and young lady called Claudia has got her sights on me and is asking me if it is my first time here (which from my body language walking in she already knows full well the answer to that question), thin and maybe a little athletic, lots of tattoos, absolutely gorgeous in my eyes, leagues above anything in the RLD. Over to the couches we go, I have to say sitting in a dark club in a robe with a beautiful woman in the nude rubbing your leg and staring into your eyes is an intoxicating first time experience, all par for the course I know but we all had to start somewhere. Not long before we are off to the room, absolute stellar performance, I understand from the info here that the I received appropriate service and time for the price, but on reflection the extras to me are just not worth the extra cash, BBBJ and CBJ are one and the same to me when it is a lacklustre BJ, BBBJ would have value if it was a slow sensuous deep throat BJ but without that it's not that much better, definitely not worth paying more for. The best BJ I received was covered and was slow and deep, and was a mind blowing experience, so BBBJ in my opinion isn't the deal breaker on service that everyone here seems to go on about. In future I will stick to basic service for a longer time. I hung around for food, a few beers, used the wellness area, had a sleep, tried to muster up the energy for another pop but it was approaching 3 am and there were more men than women, and no real stunners around, so I'll call it a day and head, 50 e for a taxi back to Frankfurt, plus 70 in and 100 for Claudia, 30 or so on beers, it's a little expensive so not sure if I will return, or at least not until I'm sure I will be able to muster up two pops in one visit.

So the trip is coming to an end now, FKK ticked off the list, another week left and feeling a more than bit merry after a few beers with work crowd one evening so may as well check out the RLD again, very bad move. Very bad.

Went in an out of a few Houses but didn't see much that took my fancy and wasn't in the mood for repeating one of my previously found regulars. One last Haus, 1st, 2nd, 3rd floor nothing, up to 4th floor, nothing taking my fancy, time to go, on my back down past one of the floors a face is peering out smiling at me from one of the doors right beside the stairwell that I would not have been able to see into on my way up, my eye is caught, I must say Hello,. Young dark skinned and haired lady from Bulgaria who is exactly my type, WG or not, alluring smile and nice manner, 30 EUR, sounds good, I'm in. She tells me she has been here for only four days, whether she has worked before that I never got to find out but I suspect maybe not, as this was very much a GFE experience, yet to become jaded and learn to keep these sex crazed men at a safe distance. I'm blown away, amazing body, let's me get right in close with no pulling away, her hands all over my body, heavy breathing, eye contact, I'm actually staring to forget where I am and am becoming passionate, 20 minutes isn't enough, lets bump up to 30 minutes for 50 eur. Unfortunately I had too much to drink and could not finish so had to wrap things up, I'm a bit dazed cycling down the road, I've found one these hidden gems that I keep reading about. I'm counting down the hours the next day eager to get back to the apartment and cleaned up and back down to this woman. I was not disappointed, eager to see me (or rather the crisp 50 in my pocket) as soon as the door closes I'm greeted with a big hug and her perfume is already stirring something up inside me, service this time was even better, probably without drinking I just experienced it better, amazing finish, best of all my visits on this trip. I give her another 50 and hang around for another 30 minutes for a great massage and we chill out and chat, this was a bad move, there was too much eye contact which was having an effect on me, after finishing I should have disappeared into the night. The 100 eur hour long session was repeated another couple of times and I regret to say some feels were caught, I was worried about my body being infected but it ended up being my mind. Ridiculous of course, she played the part required to sucker a guy into coming back, not to mention the sheer absurdity of being attracted to a woman taking yards of cock on a nightly basis, so I snapped out of it rather quick and just chalked it up to loneliness from being alone in an unfamiliar city for an extended period of time, but I do think about that girl now in a very "what if" type of way, another time another place another universe. It did give me a glimpse into the humanistic side of things which started to mess with my head, to think there are fathers, brothers, and shudder to think even boyfriends, all over Europe unaware that there darlings are holed up in a squalid flat in Frankfurt getting drilled 10 or more times a night for 30 euro a go. Or to shudder even more about it, they are aware and are perfectly ok with it it, even may be the ones controlling and benefiting from it. There are future husbands out there who will be besotted with these beauties batting their eyelids, none the wiser of their sordid past, middle aged children holding hands with their darling elderly parent some time around 2080 who will be absolutely aghast at the confessions coming from the mouth of a delirious morphine filled former WG, I only hope the grandchildren aren't also in the room to hear it!

I'll be back during the summer for some more fun, lessons learned. Bargain harder, learn some German, try to finish quicker - 30 our in and out no massage or chilling out in the room after, lose some weight so going up and down those stairs is easier, work really is required to get good service in RLD, but you save the train / cab fare and entrance cost to FKK so it's not all bad. Didn't try any escorts so might give that a go next time, along with a visit to a different FKK.

[FunExplorer]

I have explored Frankfurt RLD. Not bad. A short walk from the Hauptbanhof. Yes, some stair climbing, but a choice of young 20's from Spain, Poland, Italy, Hungary and Germany. Not that many Romianians. The places are clean and perfectly safe. It does feel sleazy, and the stairs and hallways are the walk of shame of sorts. The clubs have a thin veneer of more than pure sex seeking.

The Romanians are so concentrated in the FKK clubs that I am starting to wonder if they are somehow part of an organised scheme. I don't think I met a single non-Romanian at the several clubs I visted in different cities and countries. Many girls lie about being Romanian or claim to be Moldvian. So the clubs are filled with cigarette smoke (or still smokey even with a leaky smoking room), noisy, and the girls sharky and wanting to seal the deal in the least amount of time and upsell. The clubs make out like they are exclusive, but at the core dress up a RLD with some spas and so-so food (though the Wellkum club is excellent, but has the same passive smoking thing). You need to wash your hair at the end because you and your gown smell of cigarette smoke..

Well highly individualist opinion. I have met other than Romanians in several FKK clubs. Just the last week in Sharks I had girls from Macedonia, Czech, Hungary and it would be incorrect to generalize. In my opinion there can be no comparison between FKKs and RLD, later being cheap version. Have you not come across girls puffing off in RLD?

[TimmyH]

I was in Frankfurt recently. First time. Made a booking with Julia from Eurogirls, https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...e=search_julia.

We had set an appointment at my hotel and on time she knocked on my door. I opened and woooow. A truly beautiful girl on the otherside and she was more then welcome in to my room.

We had a little chat just to get to know each other and relax and she is really easy to talk too. She really made me feel comfortable. Took a shower and went to bed. She started with a massage and which got more and more intense. We started to kiss and it was real DFK. She was dressed in black underwear and which eventually came off as we continue to kiss and caress each other. At this point my friend was really hard, so she then started with a blowjob for about 10 minutes. I had to tell her to slow down. I went down on her, where she was newly shaved. That sweet pussy juice. Yummy. Then we started to fuck like rabbits. Different positions, different places in the room until the climax and were I couldn't hold off anymore.

Afterwards we continued to talk and just chill until the time was out and she went for a shower and then goodbye.

The date with Julia was terrific and she really gave this GFE. It was never uncomfortable. If you are into DFK and GFE, set up an appointment with Julia. I give her 5 out of 5 stars! Wooow!

Had the similar experience with her, great girl. Definitely will contact her or Clara again when I am back to Frankfurt.

[Coupe66]

On the same point about Romanian women claiming to be something else, I wrote the following on another post 2 days ago.

'By the way, if any working lady tells you she is Italian, this is 99 % sure to be crap. She is probably Romanian, the language is similar so its easy for them to learn Italian. Likewise if they say they are Greek or Spanish its very likely to be nonsense too. In years of mongering I have only come across 1 Spanish woman and no Italians or Greeks! Anyway, if I get a bullshit answer to a simple question such as 'Where are you from?' I would never go with them, because if they're dishonest about that, how can you trust them to provide the service they promised? Such a dumb thing to lie about, I couldn't care less where they're from, just don't lie, that's all I ask. How can I tell? Looks, behavior, years of experience, them not knowing anything about the city they say they're from, and when they start chatting to each other in an East European tongue that's also a bit of a giveaway!

[Member #4643]

Phallus. I am not sure where you get the information from to make those statements of absolute truths about RLD and FKK. As you say, you are telling us things which many of us do not realise, but which you do.

If you were to say that hour report was just your opinion then fine, but, in my opinion, what you state as fact will grossly misinform any new member trying to find out about the Frankfurt area

RLD better value than FKKs?. I guess you have been very unlucky in FKKS.

You say not many Romanians in the Frankfurt RLD. but, for example, Spanish and Italians. How do you know that they were not Romanians. Did you know that almost all romanians in Germany can speak Spanish or Italian? So many times I have met a girl claiming to be from Spain or Italy, only to find in every single case they were Romanian (they all admitted it)

How do you know that RLD girls have more freedom when to work?.

I cannot weigh in with much data on this discussion, but I can say that Optimist is correct about the RLD girls being mostly Romanian. Tonight, after two sessions at Sharks, I decided to take the train to Frankfurt and check out the RLD. I did relatively little exploring, but I did go to an Eros Centre to check out the ladies. They were a lot more sexy / pretty girls than I had imagined, and they mostly said they were Romanian. I starting chatting up a 25 ish year old who told me she was Spanish. Naturally, I started speaking Spanish with her. After a few minutes, I asked her if she was really from Spain, as her Spanish had a lot of funny sounds ("tch" sounds) and was clearly not the accent of a native speaker. She told me she was half Spanish, her father being Romanian. My father was from New Jersey, and my Spanish was much better than hers.

In the end, she gave me a covered suck and a fuck for 30 euros. She actually covered my penis with a paper towel with a slit in it, and then put the condom on. When I asked her about upgrading to a BBBJ, I got a discourse on hygiene and the importance of her family. Nevertheless, it wasn't a bad experience (she actually seemed to get into the sex when she mounted my hooded and shrouded penis), but certainly not GFE.

As Sharks is open until 5 am, I am on my way back. Frankfurt is definitely a great place to spend a Saturday night!

[Optimist]

Phallus. I am not sure where you get the information from to make those statements of absolute truths about RLD and FKK. As you say, you are telling us things which many of us do not realise, but which you do.

If you were to say that hour report was just your opinion then fine, but, in my opinion, what you state as fact will grossly misinform any new member trying to find out about the Frankfurt area

RLD better value than FKKs?. I guess you have been very unlucky in FKKS.

You say not many Romanians in the Frankfurt RLD. but, for example, Spanish and Italians. How do you know that they were not Romanians. Did you know that almost all romanians in Germany can speak Spanish or Italian? So many times I have met a girl claiming to be from Spain or Italy, only to find in every single case they were Romanian (they all admitted it)

How do you know that RLD girls have more freedom when to work?.

[The Cane]

I am not trying to be negative here.

Well, for not trying you sure are doing a damn good job of it! If you think those RLD prostitutes are going to "like" you more, or like having sex with you more than the FKK tutes do, then you're just kidding yourself. I get the points about lower costs and such, but you're being naive if you think those girls don't get "thrashed about" and "fucked out" just like an FKK girl can. In fact, I think it's worse because more guys are going to go there because it's cheaper. FKK's are more a "man with money" thing. Guys who can't afford the FKK scene (that would be one hell of a lot) are going to go "thrash them" at the much cheaper brothels instead. Have fun with that! To each his own, and according to one's means.

[Pahllus Maximus]

I have explored Frankfurt RLD. Not bad. A short walk from the Hauptbanhof. Yes, some stair climbing, but a choice of young 20's from Spain, Poland, Italy, Hungary and Germany. Not that many Romianians. The places are clean and perfectly safe. It does feel sleazy, and the stairs and hallways are the walk of shame of sorts. The clubs have a thin veneer of more than pure sex seeking.

The Romanians are so concentrated in the FKK clubs that I am starting to wonder if they are somehow part of an organised scheme. I don't think I met a single non-Romanian at the several clubs I visted in different cities and countries. Many girls lie about being Romanian or claim to be Moldvian. So the clubs are filled with cigarette smoke (or still smokey even with a leaky smoking room), noisy, and the girls sharky and wanting to seal the deal in the least amount of time and upsell. The clubs make out like they are exclusive, but at the core dress up a RLD with some spas and so-so food (though the Wellkum club is excellent, but has the same passive smoking thing). You need to wash your hair at the end because you and your gown smell of cigarette smoke. Almost all offer bare back blow job and maybe kissing for extra. The reality is that kissing a girl who has had 10 cocks explode in her mouth that night is not the most appetising of experiences. The FKK girls are mostly scheming and all business. Oase is full of hookahs glowing as people puff away.

That is an interesting side note: smoking is strongly correlated with addictive behaviour and brain reward centres. You have to wonder about us and the girls and what percentage are smokers.

In summary: FKK's are noisy, smokey and have about 95% up-selling Romainians cruising like sharks. I am not saying all Romanians are like that, just the ones that seems to be mass imported by some hidden scheme that places them in the FKKS. They have pools and spas and a buffet. At the end though, they are smoke filled noisy brothels. Once you factor in sunk cost entrance fees, up-selling costs to get decent service, lung damage from 7 or more hours of breathing in smoke, hearing damage from noise, and EUR50-120 for each pop (in Romanian definition, bored looking girls lying there like a starfish, no kissing, short machine gun blowjob and then insisting you come as fast as you can), it starts to feel like a sausage factory (literally as well as figuratively). They know most guys will have 2. 6 pops. Most girls screw about 7 -10 men on a shift.

Many of you may not realise this, but the girls use lidocaine / xylocaine / lignocaine to numb their pussies and some use cervical pads as well. They are very much thrashed mattresses and have had hundreds or thousands of cocks in their mouths, pussies or ass. They are in the acting business. They need to smile and act sexy to us, downplay the business side and act as if they like us. I am not trying to be negative here, just explaining the economics and forces behind their constant upselling. One very pretty gypsy girl I had a pussy that no longer closed. It had a permanent black hole from so much cock. Pretty yes, but a loose pussy and lost interest in sex a long time ago after she reached the thousands. There is a limit of cock. Most girls can only manage a maximum of 40 cocks a week before they feel sore, depending on size and how long hammered for. Call this term average maximum cock per week (AMC). Also, the FKK clubs are very controlling, they make the girls parade naked and are forced to be on display, which is similar to shopping malls that force shops to open.

Passenger revenue per mile (in this case, punter revenue per pussy): the maximum ratio is about 8 cocks a day (they take off two days a week, so 40 ACM divided by 5). If we take a median gross of EUR600 per girl of pussy sold per shift, the clubs get a third. The more men the girls service the lower their FKK charge and net profit, but this is constrained by AMC. A woman can only handle so much throbbing cock. This is why upselling is so common. It is the revenue optimisation given the weekly AMC.

So they 60 to get in, about EUR156 for the girls paid by the punter, the girls who pay the FKK's about EUR120 to get in (that may include a room for them to sleep in) and therefore a FKK tax of about 10 to euros per customer. The men are out for about EUR220 per shift, the girls (depending on upselling) gross between 350 to 700 (230 to 580 net per shift). The FKK's get roughly EUR 200 for every person you see in the club. If we take a median gross of EUR600 per girl of pussy sold per shift, the clubs get a third.

The RLDs allow the girls more freedom of when they want to work, some share a room (thus lowering the overhead), they do not have to parade around etc. That is why the RLDs are cheaper, Frankfurt being an extreme case. Girls sharing a room break even after just two customers. Compared to short time in say Bangkok of THB 1000 excluding bar fines, (rate: 25.9758 per Euro), Frankfurt competes at THB 1,154.92, making Europe a good deal.

So all in all, The RLDs are excellent value, comparatively smoke free, clean and more choice. No buffet but you can use nearby restaurants and gyms with the savings.

[MichaelDeAdnre]

I was in Frankfurt recently. First time. Made a booking with Julia from Eurogirls, https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...e=search_julia.

We had set an appointment at my hotel and on time she knocked on my door. I opened and woooow. A truly beautiful girl on the otherside and she was more then welcome in to my room.

We had a little chat just to get to know each other and relax and she is really easy to talk too. She really made me feel comfortable. Took a shower and went to bed. She started with a massage and which got more and more intense. We started to kiss and it was real DFK. She was dressed in black underwear and which eventually came off as we continue to kiss and caress each other. At this point my friend was really hard, so she then started with a blowjob for about 10 minutes. I had to tell her to slow down. I went down on her, where she was newly shaved. That sweet pussy juice. Yummy. Then we started to fuck like rabbits. Different positions, different places in the room until the climax and were I couldn't hold off anymore.

5 out of 5? You sure she has no cons? You mentioned all the pros but can you clarify just a thing about her which may was unpleasant for you?

[Vito Corleone]

There should be a website for germany for english speakers where you cud list all the scammers.

Yes! I agree! There should be one!

[Mobeen]

I think we should all be thanking him for his post.

As for me, after reading it, I'm much less inclined to try out any escorts. You pay 200 euros for a girl you've never even seen, and hope she gives good service?

Sounds like a rip-off to me.

There should be a website for Germany for English speakers where you cud list all the scammers.

[Lanthano]

Did you go away without asking since you booked her for 2 hours if that's the case you should have taken the rest of the money back.

I think we should all be thanking him for his post.

As for me, after reading it, I'm much less inclined to try out any escorts. You pay 200 euros for a girl you've never even seen, and hope she gives good service?

Sounds like a rip-off to me.