Amsterdam

[BlrNiceMan]

Walked by Amsterdam red light district last week. Women were tempting but was scary as the women looked unwell and some looked a bit manly. One common thing was big breasts and the breasts all looked artificial.

[HoHum]

But it's 40% my fault for having drunk too much. She was a nice enough person but I paid for an 1 HR of straight sex and she was totally misguided in what she was doing.

- The photos were obviously 15-20 years out of date but I could live with that.

- I setu.

- Obviously trying to get a pop ASAP and bail. Actually, she insisted her job was only to get the guy hard, make him pop and that's it. So, in her mind, paying for extra time doesn't even come into it. It's a half hour mentality masquerading as a 1 HR service.

- Terrible BJ and HJ. Not for lack of trying on her part. But just a jackhammer approach and all teeth, too. It was counterproductive and my fella retreated to protect himself from the abuse.

- Trouble getting it up due to booze, cold temps and teeth. Things started going right when I took control, started just enjoying her body, got hard and started having a fun, slow time in missionary. Of course, she hates it because I'm using the time I paid for, she complains about slow fucking being out of bounds because it's "making love", not "having sex" And she complains that missionary crushes her boobs. Seriously. She halts it while I'm finally enjoying myself, then it all slides to a sad, floppy end.

We actually talk about these issues and yeah, I don't she's malicious so much as misguided with a pinch of scammy.

[Mogwai]

It's important to negotiate at the door, and to not leave things unspecified until inside. It gives you a chance to detect a ripoff without making any commitment yourself. Once inside girls, and especially ripoff girls, will assume you now owe them for a "standard" session at the bare minimum. And your leverage for getting additional services will be greatly diminished.

This applies to the main RLD ('de Wallen') in Amsterdam in particular, because there are many ripoffs there, but not so much to other RLDs in the Netherlands.

By the way: if you want to leave because you cannot come to an agreement and the girl says you now owe her for a "standard" session at the bare minimum.... well: just leave. Don't let them intimidate you. It's even against the law if she tries to keep you in her room against your will.

[Mogwai]

I appreciate the response. Excuse my ignorance on these topics, but why would I need to be secretive about it with the other girls or the door person? It seems that one of the great benefits of legal prostitution is the ability to clarify terms beforehand. Why can't I just say at the door that this is what I want and this is what I'm willing to pay, and then the door person shows me the options of who is willing to provide the service?

I was assuming that you want to visit window girls in a RLD. So the 'door person' is the girl herself. The reason that you need to be secretive about a BBBJ (or anything else bareback for that matter) is that services without condom are considered as not done among most of the girls. 'Officially' anyway. But in the privacy of their room things can be different.

If you want to go to a club, or a private house as we call them ('privhuis' in Dutch), it will be much more difficult to get exactly what you want, because in a club you cannot negotiate with the girls beforehand. You have to choose one of the girls, pay for her and then you go to a room without knowing if she's willing to do anything without condom.
And of course you never discuss your wishes with a doorkeeper (if there is any).

[Neurosynth]

I appreciate the response. Excuse my ignorance on these topics, but why would I need to be secretive about it with the other girls or the door person? It seems that one of the great benefits of legal prostitution is the ability to clarify terms beforehand. Why can't I just say at the door that this is what I want and this is what I'm willing to pay, and then the door person shows me the options of who is willing to provide the service?

It's important to negotiate at the door, and to not leave things unspecified until inside. It gives you a chance to detect a ripoff without making any commitment yourself. Once inside girls, and especially ripoff girls, will assume you now owe them for a "standard" session at the bare minimum. And your leverage for getting additional services will be greatly diminished.

It's probably a good idea to make sure your conversation is not overheard by other girls. Girls who give too much for too little will feel the wrath of other girls who resent it and view it as a threat to their own businesses.

[Runlikethesun]

Your best bet would be to go to The Hague (Doubletstraat) or Alkmaar (Achterdam). A BBBJTC is available there with some providers for about 35 to 50, depending on age, nationality and looks.
Ask discretely for it in the room, not at the door! Or at least not within hearing range of other girls.

Be aware though that quite a lot of girls are willing to give you a BBBJ but not TC (not in their mouth anyway). So be very clear about what you want. Some girls might even refuse you if a BBBJ is all you want and no FS, because they find it too exhausting.

In Amsterdam it's more difficult to get than in The Hague or Alkmaar.

I appreciate the response. Excuse my ignorance on these topics, but why would I need to be secretive about it with the other girls or the door person? It seems that one of the great benefits of legal prostitution is the ability to clarify terms beforehand. Why can't I just say at the door that this is what I want and this is what I'm willing to pay, and then the door person shows me the options of who is willing to provide the service?

[Mogwai]

I'm likely to take a trip to the Netherlands this spring and wanted to know what I would have to do (and pay) to get a BBBJTC.

Your best bet would be to go to The Hague (Doubletstraat) or Alkmaar (Achterdam). A BBBJTC is available there with some providers for about 35 to 50, depending on age, nationality and looks.
Ask discretely for it in the room, not at the door! Or at least not within hearing range of other girls.

Be aware though that quite a lot of girls are willing to give you a BBBJ but not TC (not in their mouth anyway). So be very clear about what you want. Some girls might even refuse you if a BBBJ is all you want and no FS, because they find it too exhausting.

In Amsterdam it's more difficult to get than in The Hague or Alkmaar.

[Stykler]

This is my first post on this forumthanks to all the contributors here for putting together this great resource. I'm likely to take a trip to the Netherlands this spring and wanted to know what I would have to do (and pay) to get a BBBJTC. That's really all I'm into. I'm in my thirties and moderately attractive if that makes any difference. Thanks for any insights.

Good luck.

[Runlikethesun]

This is my first post on this forum—thanks to all the contributors here for putting together this great resource. I'm likely to take a trip to the Netherlands this spring and wanted to know what I would have to do (and pay) to get a BBBJTC. That's really all I'm into. I'm in my thirties and moderately attractive if that makes any difference. Thanks for any insights.

[Mogwai]

There isn't an opportunity to wash yourself before or after the sex.

This is new to me. As far as I know all of the rooms in the RLD have a sink with hot and cold running water.

[Zorp 001]

I recently got back from my trip to Amsterdam and I have a couple of things to share about the sex scene. Of course there is the red light district with the windows that everybody knows and talks about. But I think that really this is just a spectacle and I wouldn't really consider that good sex. It's usually 50 euros for a quickie and unfortunately this is what the girls are really looking for. There isn't an opportunity to wash yourself before or after the sex. In my opinion, it is even debatable to be a sex form really.

There are also a lot of escort agencies in Amsterdam, as I've learned. Most of the escort agencies are very professional and at the same time very clinical. I really prefer the "what you see is what you get" mentality that I got used to in German speaking countries. The base prices for escort in Amsterdam are already high and extras on top for everything like kissing, etc. I've made two bookings, and I sent the girls away both times. This might seem rude, but at that price it was necessary and reasonable. The images they had on the site were not accurate at all. Also, 1 hour, only 1 shot which is never fair.

All in all, the scene in Amsterdam is diverse with many options to choose from, but I didn't really have a successful experience to say the least.

[El Ted]

Tried Sweet Thai massage today. There were only two ladies available when I arrived. None of them were more than a 5 on a scale from 1 to 10, so I just went with the one who opened the door. Said her name was Saa. I chose the one hour oil massage with happy ending and paid 70 Euro. After a quick shower she stripped down to her panties (good body, lovely boobs) and went to work on me. Not the absolute best massage I've ever had, but far from the worst. Flipped me over, finished me off and then completed the massage for the remaining time. Not much chemistry or chatter going on, but she did a reasonably good job. Would I repeat? Probably. I really liked that they have proper rooms and not just a thin curtain between customers. The rooms I was in was large with a big bed and a jacuzzi (did not use that, think it's extra money). They also offer body-to-body massage (80 Euro for an hour) and full service (I think that was 140 Euro).

[Mogwai]

The last few visits to Amsterdam I've been to quite a few Chinese massage places, and they have always given extra services (minimum hand relief). This time I've been to two, and not even a whiff of anything besides the massage. And these were places close to RLD: Yi Fang near De Pijp and Ni Hao near Wallen. Is this the normal situation now?

Yes, I'm afraid it's the normal situation now. The extra services are considered as illegal prostitution. If the authorities find traces of semen they can fine or even close the place.

[El Ted]

The last few visits to Amsterdam I've been to quite a few Chinese massage places, and they have always given extra services (minimum hand relief). This time I've been to two, and not even a whiff of anything besides the massage. And these were places close to RLD: Yi Fang near De Pijp and Ni Hao near Wallen. Is this the normal situation now?

[TheLight]

Sad to read such report. I was in RLD several years ago and I had there good experiences with beautiful Bulgarian girls. But they can speak my native language, and we have similar mentality and I have any problem with them. We did things like in dirty porno and they liked it. But this year in August I had a bad experience in Barcelona with Latin girls. In one brothel I was refused and in another was ripped off by two girls.