Lisbon

[SteelBaton]

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

Rafaela 18 A*.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/rafaela-ouro/

Telma Vaz (also advertise as duo with another black girl), 19 A*.

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...2/?list=q93xbd

Beatriz Fernandes 18.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...fernandes-8391

Photos if this jogs anyone's memory.

Thank you again for any help. I haven't contributed here, but have a decade of posts in the Asia forums. And, I WILL report back!

[SteelBaton]

What are peoples experiences with the few Cape Verde girls on the escort sites? I have a growing love for the darker skin. But, know nothing about the general personality of Cape Verde women. Are they scammers or girls with good hearts? Any particular recommendations would be appreciated via PM or post.

Cheers. Mick.

Can anyone provide any information on these ebony girls, or suggest where I might find information. - Cheers Mick.

Yara Cohen, 28, Brazilian.

https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...ara-cohen-4950

Rafaela 18 A*.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/rafaela-ouro/

Telma Vaz (also advertise as duo with another black girl), 19 A*.

https://www.eurogirlsescort.com/esco...2/?list=q93xbd

Beatriz Fernandes 18.

https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...fernandes-8391

[SteelBaton]

What are peoples experiences with the few Cape Verde girls on the escort sites? I have a growing love for the darker skin. But, know nothing about the general personality of Cape Verde women. Are they scammers or girls with good hearts? Any particular recommendations would be appreciated via PM or post.

Cheers. Mick.

[Harry1217]

Absolutely, it now brings Madrid and Barcelona into play a lot more for some of us. There are arguably hotter girls in Spain doing outcall for 200/ HR (and a bigger selection to choose from). There are also several places in Madrid and Barcelona doing incall for 100-120/ HR.

Whilst I can understand the need to increase prices, I don't buy the argument that inflation and cost of living meant a need to increase prices to 200/ HR. They have increased to that level because they believe there is sufficient demand from customers to warrant it. That's their business decision, but as tourists we obviously have other avenues.

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Austin28]

Escort Privada is an outcall agency. All their roster is outcall; they charge a standardized rate; and have their own website.

Apartadox is an escort advertising site, not an agency. EP advertises their entire roster on Apartadox, but Apartadox has many, many more ladies advertising with them than just EP. Their clients represent a mix of incall and outcall or both, and operate in many Portuguese cities that EP does not. They also do their own photos, and because EP always runs ads on Apartadox, all of EP's photoshoots are done by Apartadox.

EP hiked their rate to 200/ HR on January 1st, which really just brings it into line with what most of the primarily incall ladies were asking for to do an outcall. It's not that escorts generally cost 200/ HR in Lisbon; incall with a photo-verified lady runs 120-150/ HR. IMO, it makes outcall generally non-competitive, but I'm fine with 150 for incall.

It remains to be seen if and to what level the independent outcall girls will raise their rates to. Most of them are ex-EP girls, so I think it unlikely they will remain below the EP rate, even though they keep the entire fee (as independents; EP takes a cut of the action). Unlikely, but they would be wise to settle at 170 or 180 -- a sweet spot for them would be more than incall, but less than EP. But that sort of business sense escapes a lot of people, not just working girls..

Thank you for the detailed response. Really helpful.

[ExExpatriate]

Escort Privada is an outcall agency. All their roster is outcall; they charge a standardized rate; and have their own website.

Apartadox is an escort advertising site, not an agency. EP advertises their entire roster on Apartadox, but Apartadox has many, many more ladies advertising with them than just EP. Their clients represent a mix of incall and outcall or both, and operate in many Portuguese cities that EP does not. They also do their own photos, and because EP always runs ads on Apartadox, all of EP's photoshoots are done by Apartadox.

EP hiked their rate to 200/ HR on January 1st, which really just brings it into line with what most of the primarily incall ladies were asking for to do an outcall. It's not that escorts generally cost 200/ HR in Lisbon; incall with a photo-verified lady runs 120-150/ HR. IMO, it makes outcall generally non-competitive, but I'm fine with 150 for incall.

It remains to be seen if and to what level the independent outcall girls will raise their rates to. Most of them are ex-EP girls, so I think it unlikely they will remain below the EP rate, even though they keep the entire fee (as independents; EP takes a cut of the action). Unlikely, but they would be wise to settle at 170 or 180 -- a sweet spot for them would be more than incall, but less than EP. But that sort of business sense escapes a lot of people, not just working girls.

I don't have a lot of experience with Spain, and none post-pandemic, but when I was there what I discovered was that Lisbon and Porto were either equal to or just a little cheaper for ladies of the same quality. And a quick check I just did (hardly conclusive, but still) suggests that is still true.

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Mongerer88]

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

There isn't any difference at all.

EP and its ladies are outcall only.

EP has its own website featuring all of the ladies, and individual ads are taken out for the escorts on Apartadox and other sites like HappyEscorts.

When a lady first works with EP, an Apartadox ad almost always immediately appears.

Later in her career, the escort's Apartadox ad is more likely to appear when she is planning to regularly be on the schedule. Presumably this is because, according to what various EP escorts have told customers, is that once she is more established, she pays for a larger share of her Apartadox ad.

Inflation is a way of life in this business in recent years in all markets, especially in Europe and North America. Sex workers have inflation in their lives, including their work costs.

It will be great for customers if the Lisbon independents, particularly the younger ones, don't continue to increase their prices. But I am doubtful of that.

EP's base price has not increased since the group was formed around a decade ago.

My income has gone up since then, and my daily living costs sure have, too.

We all want the lowest prices, with the same looks and service level, but that isn't realistic. The best sex workers do this activity because they can earn mire money and have more flexibility than what are often called "civilian" jobs. The pay and flexibility for those alternative jobs has increased, which is the biggest driver of sex work inflation.

[Austin28]

What's the difference if the same girl list on both EP and ApartadoX?

Is ApartadoX more like incalls and EP purely outcalls?

If both are outcalls, then will there be difference in rates?

I agree with the other posters, that 200 E / HR would make Lisbon less attractive compared to Barcelona and Madrid.

[Harry1217]

Well, what an increase by EP! 33% in one whack is not to be sniffed at. Basically at 200/ HR it means that people who may have preferred Portugal to other countries, may now opt to visit other countries more.

As mentioned in the comments below, there are excellent incall providers at 100-120 / HR and that is still a competitive rate compared to other european countries. So if you don't have a great preference for outcall, it perhaps doesn't change things that much given the number of EP ladies is relatively small in comparison to the total number of girls working in Lisbon. Lets just hope the EP move doesn't trigger price rises across the board, including incalls!!

I very much prefer outcalls in a nice hotel room, rather than an incall in perhaps not the most luxurious of surroundings. It completely changes the ambience of a meeting, but that's just my personal preference.

I also generally liked EP for a number of reasons which we touched upon before.

Paying an extra 50/ HR is no issue for me, and well within my affordability. So I certainly won't stop visiting Lisbon but my plan to go 3 or 4 times this year may now be just once or twice, because 200/ HR just changes the mindset even if you can afford it. Who doesn't like to feel they are getting a good deal?! The fact that I like Lisbon as a city does help. I also like to view things positively and it'll force me to explore other countries! (though I'm sure I won't stray too far and will probably stick to Iberia).

[ExExpatriate]

I don't recall anyone who is working specifically in Barrio Alto or an immediately adjacent neighborhood at this time, so nothing in walking distance. I'd be interested to know if anyone remembers someone who is in that area. The nearest I recollect from inquiries is over in Graca, and if you are going that far you may as well Uber / Bolt / Metro over to where most of the action is: the zone between Marques de Pombal and Entrecampos.

In terms of spas, there are three that reliably offer massage with FS: L'Essence, Nuru and Klass. Their combined roster is pretty long. If I remember correctly, Dara and Carolina at L'Essence were reviewed locally and got good marks. I don't remember about any of the girls at Klass or Nuru, due to issues with having to identify them from various ads. It is sometimes confusing.

If you are thinking of a nuru massage with HJ ending or similar, I recommend two independents over going to any spa.

https://www.somassagens.com/massagis...sensual-lisboa

https://www.somassagens.com/massagis...sensual-lisboa

Hey all! In Lisbon for a week in the Barrio Alto (area. Any recommendations on a good massage parlor that you can also get an he? Thanks!

[ExExpatriate]

Yup. I suppose the thing is that this particular part of the story has come full circle for me. Once upon a time, having a hotel room in central Lisbon was a given, but EP / outcalls generally were relatively expensive. So, I rarely used them. Then incalls and EP equalized for a run of a few years, so I did both, depending on my fancies and circumstances. Now EP / outcalls are relatively expensive again, so I doubt I will be using them much.

"There are still some excellent providers around asking 120/ h". That's what is important not to forget. And I mean excelent. And, in some cases, even less than that and still excellent. And I mean excelent.

But if you refuse to see beyond the EP horizon, things will get more difficult, that's for sure.

[Deexy]

Hey all! In Lisbon for a week in the Barrio Alto (area. Any recommendations on a good massage parlor that you can also get an he? Thanks!

[Kama Leão]

(there are still some excellent providers around asking 120/ h)

"There are still some excellent providers around asking 120/ h". That's what is important not to forget. And I mean excelent. And, in some cases, even less than that and still excellent. And I mean excelent.

But if you refuse to see beyond the EP horizon, things will get more difficult, that's for sure.

[ExExpatriate]

A while back, I told you fellas to enjoy EP at 150/ h, because it would not last. I'm surprised they went all the way up to 200, though.

For some perspective, in the late 2010's, pricing in and around Lisbon worked like this. EP was asking 150/ h. The average incall was 100/ h, the girls who thought they qere worth more wanted 120, and with HJ nuru massages going for 80.

When the average incall jumped from 100 to 150 (there are still some excellent providers around asking 120/ h), EP suddenly became very competitive. I know for my part, I went from calling them only when I actually couldn't go out for incall easily to choosing purely by preference. Good times.

Now I'll go back to mostly incall. It's the math. Four incall hours costs the same as three outcall hours. Moreover, many incall ladies are asking for 200/ h for their outcall services, so if that is what I must pay, the roster for that kind of service got a lot wider. That is why I'm surprised they went all the way up to 200 -- they scratched out their own competitive price advantage. 170 or 180 would have made more sense, and is less shocking than a 33% increase.

Of course, the independent outcall-only girls (Flora, Catia, Frederica, Carolina) will all no doubt go to 200 or higher.

I'm not a cheapskate, but it's also not fun to get jipped. So, a word to the wise: check what the going rate is first. Don't get conned -- there will certainly be some fluctuations coming.

[Cheappy]

Thanks for a great report.

Re: Rebeca Diniz. Does the 150/ h fare include the anal service?

Yes, it's included! She was trying very hard. In my case, it wasn't successful because it was my problem.