Lisbon

[ExExpatriate]

It died out because of internet. Before internet era girls had to actually go look for customers, now customers find them through online ads and WP. It's safer and more discrete and I like it more this way because street walkers would attract pimps and other shady individuals. If someone wants to see girl actually before you can go to brothels pretending to be massage spas, city center is filled with them. It allows the business to operate in higher-end areas of the city (like Saldanha) or residential buildings and attract customers that want to discrete.

To that I would also add the legalization of the sex work, while leaving pimping / brothels illegal. While there are many fictions for working around this, it still leaves plenty of safe space for independents to operate without fear of being harassed by organized crime.

[RedIce7]

Portugal seems to either forcibly detract, or not be desirable to, the lowest rung of the scene. It does not have the Asian massage places where the women live and work at the facility, eating their meals from a portable hot stove, just as it doesn't get Roma streetwalkers to join the last ranks of the few drug-addicted women still on the streets. I don't know if the relatively low Portugal price of a mid-to-upper level sex worker (compared to the rest of Europe and the Western World) simply makes Portugal of no interest to dirt poor Asian ladies and the gypsies, or if Portugal Vice has a way of shutting it down that isn't publicized.

It died out because of internet. Before internet era girls had to actually go look for customers, now customers find them through online ads and WP. It's safer and more discrete and I like it more this way because street walkers would attract pimps and other shady individuals. If someone wants to see girl actually before you can go to brothels pretending to be massage spas, city center is filled with them. It allows the business to operate in higher-end areas of the city (like Saldanha) or residential buildings and attract customers that want to discrete.

[Mongerer88]

I would be glad to see it wither away, at least for Lisbon. I imagine it will persist in other parts of the country.

I know it was alive and well a decade ago. Although I have always disdained that sort of thing, I would cross a major SW area on my way home. It was hard to miss. I also remember seeing these SW hanging out in front of isolated back roads in different areas, places one would cross when going to the more remote beaches. So clearly the locals knew where to go look for them.

It is disappearing worldwide, thank god.

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/why...S6G64YROT65N4/

I can't think of an advantage to its existence for anyone, particularly the sex workers.

Where it still appears to exist in Europe are places where there are women who simply have no resources at all, not even the funds to take out an advertisement and accept appointments on a smart phone. Of course some seed capital is necessary for incall or transportation to outcall.

Portugal seems to either forcibly detract, or not be desirable to, the lowest rung of the scene. It does not have the Asian massage places where the women live and work at the facility, eating their meals from a portable hot stove, just as it doesn't get Roma streetwalkers to join the last ranks of the few drug-addicted women still on the streets. I don't know if the relatively low Portugal price of a mid-to-upper level sex worker (compared to the rest of Europe and the Western World) simply makes Portugal of no interest to dirt poor Asian ladies and the gypsies, or if Portugal Vice has a way of shutting it down that isn't publicized.

[ExExpatriate]

I would be glad to see it wither away, at least for Lisbon. I imagine it will persist in other parts of the country.

I know it was alive and well a decade ago. Although I have always disdained that sort of thing, I would cross a major SW area on my way home. It was hard to miss. I also remember seeing these SW hanging out in front of isolated back roads in different areas, places one would cross when going to the more remote beaches. So clearly the locals knew where to go look for them.

But that's exactly the point: because the vast majority of escorts has managed to make a living working from appartments with no need of the harsh scene of SW, this is quickly vanishing. Intendente, for instance has become a trendy cafe / restaurants spot for tourists with only the odd junkie as a souvenir of the "bad ole times".

[Stradivari]

But that's exactly the point: because the vast majority of escorts has managed to make a living working from appartments with no need of the harsh scene of SW, this is quickly vanishing. Intendente, for instance has become a trendy cafe / restaurants spot for tourists with only the odd junkie as a souvenir of the "bad ole times".

That's bad news for the lovers of the street scene but good news for the girls, all in total a good reason to be happy. Still astonishing that it happened. What is special with Lisbon that they managed to achieve what many other large cities did not achieve? But this is going off topic now.

[Kama Leão]

I was trying the area of Martim Moniz and Intendente three times at around 7 pm, 9:30 pm and around midnight. No WG to be seen except some very sincere drug users at a bus stop called "Socorro" / Rua the Mouraria. I walked some 100 ft down the are. Dos Cavaleiros but I started feeling unsecure and turned around.

I cannot imagine that a huge city like lisbon has nothing more than the escort scene but I did not discover it. And, in fact, I did very well with the escorts I tried, at least with Bela Soares.

But that's exactly the point: because the vast majority of escorts has managed to make a living working from appartments with no need of the harsh scene of SW, this is quickly vanishing. Intendente, for instance has become a trendy cafe / restaurants spot for tourists with only the odd junkie as a souvenir of the "bad ole times".

[JohnD00]

Cheers mate.

Will try my luck and report back with anything.

Hi JohnDOO, I had a quick look on SA and the profiles of the ladies I saw are currently not there. I suspect they only reactivate them when they're looking for a date.

Stirling.

[Stradivari]

I was wandering around the area east of Martim Monz last night around 10 pm and saw no streetwalkers. Lots of guys in the streets hanging out and drinking but no action that I could discern. I'll check out Eduardo VII, Rua do Conde de Redonde and Anjos in the next couple of days because I'm staying nearby. Mansanto Forest is huge and wouldn't know where to begin.

I was trying the area of Martim Moniz and Intendente three times at around 7 pm, 9:30 pm and around midnight. No WG to be seen except some very sincere drug users at a bus stop called "Socorro" / Rua the Mouraria. I walked some 100 ft down the are. Dos Cavaleiros but I started feeling unsecure and turned around.

I cannot imagine that a huge city like lisbon has nothing more than the escort scene but I did not discover it. And, in fact, I did very well with the escorts I tried, at least with Bela Soares.

[Stirling]

Thanks for additional comments Stirling.

I've seen on the other countries / locations boards that the guys were sharing the links of the SA ladies.

Don't know if that is allowed over here. But would you be willing to share the ones you got lucky with?

At 250 for overnight. It does really make it worthwhile.

As it stands. I might be going towards the mixed route of trying SA + the vetted ladies from EP already posted over here.

Cheers to all again.

Hi JohnDOO, I had a quick look on SA and the profiles of the ladies I saw are currently not there. I suspect they only reactivate them when they're looking for a date.

Stirling.

[JohnD00]

Thanks for additional comments Stirling.

I've seen on the other countries / locations boards that the guys were sharing the links of the SA ladies.

Don't know if that is allowed over here. But would you be willing to share the ones you got lucky with?

At 250 for overnight. It does really make it worthwhile.

As it stands. I might be going towards the mixed route of trying SA + the vetted ladies from EP already posted over here.

Cheers to all again.

Lots of discussion and all good points. I believe Lisbon is the perfect city for SA. From my point of view, there was little financial risk. As mentioned in my previous post, I secured the company of young women for dinner and overnight stays for 250. Now, I planned on going out for dinner anyway, so all I had to bear was the additional cost for another individual. If, after dinner, she bailed, so be it. The date essentially would have cost me nothing and I had the enjoyment of a dinner companion. And, on returning to my room I could have called one of the available ladies on Apartadox or EP. Fortunately for me, all 3 dates worked out perfectly.

In other large centers where the ask is significantly larger, the risk might be amplified. However, given the relatively cheap cost associated with mongering in Lisbon, seemed like a worthwhile risk in my opinion.

P.S. As to whether the ladies I saw where escorts or former escorts. The first lady I have no idea, but I wouldn't be shocked tom learn she was a former working girl. The 2nd lady I saw, not a chance. She's a young ex-pat recently arrived in Lisbon..

[ExExpatriate]

When I tried the SA thing, I wrote many of the ladies were active or inactive escorts. Being as familiar as I am and having a long memory, I ran into at least one familiar face on every page of the SA search engine, and often more than one. Even so, it was well under half the total. 1/5 or 1/4 would be more accurate.

Within the group that were familiar from escort ads, most were inactives.

I didn't mean to imply most of the girls on SA were current or former escorts. Quite the contrary. Pros are a noticeable percentage, but not an overwhelming presence.

[Stirling]

Lots of discussion and all good points. I believe Lisbon is the perfect city for SA. From my point of view, there was little financial risk. As mentioned in my previous post, I secured the company of young women for dinner and overnight stays for 250. Now, I planned on going out for dinner anyway, so all I had to bear was the additional cost for another individual. If, after dinner, she bailed, so be it. The date essentially would have cost me nothing and I had the enjoyment of a dinner companion. And, on returning to my room I could have called one of the available ladies on Apartadox or EP. Fortunately for me, all 3 dates worked out perfectly.

In other large centers where the ask is significantly larger, the risk might be amplified. However, given the relatively cheap cost associated with mongering in Lisbon, seemed like a worthwhile risk in my opinion.

P.S. As to whether the ladies I saw where escorts or former escorts. The first lady I have no idea, but I wouldn't be shocked tom learn she was a former working girl. The 2nd lady I saw, not a chance. She's a young ex-pat recently arrived in Lisbon.

Stirling.

[JohnD00]

Been looking around further. And apart from SA. I found there's another sugardaddy like app. SB -Secret Benefits- is that used in Portugal also? Or any others like SA?

Of course apart from Tinder and OKCupid.

I will be having nearly 3 full days by myself with 3 days busy with work during the day with free evenings. Hopefully will be able to have some nice time.

Cheers all.

Good essay, Mongerer. I'll just add / confirm a couple of things.

Hiring and outcall escort for a date is expensive. One can and should neogitate, but lets say you were trying this with Carolina Belmont, and asked for four hours. She would start by asking for 800 euros. (because she's been trying to apply a tourist tax lately). Compare that against 250-300 flat going rate for SA. The ladies negotiate over these longer periods, but that is what you'd most likely be climbing her down from.

So for the dating style format, the only guy who should call someone like Carolina is one who is already staying at the Four Seasons. Ha!

I can confirm that many -- but certainly not most -- girls on SA are either current or former escorts. When I gave it a try a few years ago, I saw several familiar photos and faces. Most, however, were "retired. " They weren't advertising as escorts or massagistas on the regular advertising sites anymore. I suppose you could say they were still escorting, via SA, but infrequently and with the liberty of screening and declining clients..

[ExExpatriate]

You need to ask yourself if you value the time and companionship that occurs other than sex. If so, that is great, but also ask yourself if you would prefer the certainty of booking a well-reviewed escort who is known to speak English for a long enough period of time to include a meal and perhaps some tourism. There are an endless number of them. Several EP ladies, and independents such as Carolina Belmont and Rebeca Diniz are good candidates also.

You will never convince me that many of the ladies on SA in Lisbon are not also working as escorts. One humorous post on the local board regarding the Lisbon dinner clubs involved a local John figuring out which ladies in their nice evening dresses worked as incall escorts during the day offering 30 minute sessions.

Good essay, Mongerer. I'll just add / confirm a couple of things.

Hiring and outcall escort for a date is expensive. One can and should neogitate, but lets say you were trying this with Carolina Belmont, and asked for four hours. She would start by asking for 800 euros. (because she's been trying to apply a tourist tax lately). Compare that against 250-300 flat going rate for SA. The ladies negotiate over these longer periods, but that is what you'd most likely be climbing her down from.

So for the dating style format, the only guy who should call someone like Carolina is one who is already staying at the Four Seasons. Ha!

I can confirm that many -- but certainly not most -- girls on SA are either current or former escorts. When I gave it a try a few years ago, I saw several familiar photos and faces. Most, however, were "retired. " They weren't advertising as escorts or massagistas on the regular advertising sites anymore. I suppose you could say they were still escorting, via SA, but infrequently and with the liberty of screening and declining clients.

I mentioned my semi-retired lady? She is exactly the type who might have switched to SA for a time... except she didn't need to. She had some old clients who could see her during her former incall hours, she genuinely liked them, and she treated it in a way that didn't feel like the job anymore. So she would make some time from her day job for it.

I firmly agree about the time angle. It's why I don't pursue SA. One would need to be in Lisbon for at least several days and have full command over their time to make good use of the SA format.

[Harry1217]

Yes, for bookings / meets of 1-2 hours, many people may consider that they want the certainty of a well-reviewed escort. However, I can see people rolling the SA dice if they want outcall bookings of several hours or overnights; the EP rate for overnights is 1200 whereas people are reporting SA overnights at 250 - that is quite a difference! I say outcall bookings because the escort incall rates for overnights appear to be far less than 1200, making SA less financially beneficial.

It stands for Seeking Arrangement.

You need to ask yourself if you value the time and companionship that occurs other than sex. If so, that is great, but also ask yourself if you would prefer the certainty of booking a well-reviewed escort who is known to speak English for a long enough period of time to include a meal and perhaps some tourism.

If you go through the hassles of communicating with them, and accept the risk of a disappointment occurring, you might snag a great evening with a college-aged lady who might not have otherwise done escorting. In my personal opinion, for Lisbon, it is not worth the effort and possibility of disappointment, compared to booking a reviewed and recommended escort for whatever time and activities you want.