Lisbon

[ExExpatriate]

Rents in Lisbon, and in particular how they have risen faster than the rates these ladies charge, disagree with you.

Facts are stubborn things.

Your preferences are your preferences. Your tastes and your money. But a guy who admits he is willing to fork out the equivalent of one hour with an EP girl just to do the sex club thing really shouldn't be arguing costs with anybody.

Its definitely not their overheads which dictate that they need to charge 130+ for an hour (Nuru is 150-170 at many spa's). Their costs are not anywhere near that level.

I don't agree that it's reasonable paying the same amount for a Nuru massage as FS. You even touch on one of the reasons, namely that FS carries a risk.

However, customers are obviously willing to pay as the spa's must be getting enough business to justify the prices. Personally, I won't be returning to any spa at the above prices where there is no chance of FS.

[PresterJohn]

Hi, I know "elefante Branco" means literally white elephant in English.

What does it actually mean?

you can't go wrong with elefante Branco but expect to pay an extra 50-100 (entry + drinks + taxi there and back).

[Harry1217]

Its definitely not their overheads which dictate that they need to charge 130+ for an hour (Nuru is 150-170 at many spa's). Their costs are not anywhere near that level.

I don't agree that it's reasonable paying the same amount for a Nuru massage as FS. You even touch on one of the reasons, namely that FS carries a risk.

However, customers are obviously willing to pay as the spa's must be getting enough business to justify the prices. Personally, I won't be returning to any spa at the above prices where there is no chance of FS.

Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic.

We reference what going rates are here frequently, so the only excuse for not knowing them is laziness. All you need to do is skim four or five pages.

[Mongerer88]

I think many guys on ISG underestimate the ability of full-service escorts to do tantric and to do quality hand jobs, including slow and sensual ones.

I think the best ones to choose are the highest rated escorts. Certainly the ones with an attitude of wanting to please, and ones accustomed to one-hour appointments with the guy cumming twice. A wide variety of service offerings is a plus, as well as CIM. If she specifically mentions sensual massage in her ad, that is a place (or if it is mentioned in a review).

Why? Because she knows a hell of a lot about sex.

She has had older customers who have trouble getting erect and who no longer have enough sensitivity to cum with a condom on. She has learned how to give them a great session and make them cum.

Once a guy is out of the teen and twenties, climaxing twice in an hour is more difficult. The escort has given plenty of hand job finishes for the second cum in an hour.

Escorting is a more difficult job than being a massage lady, and many massage ladies are lazy.

I mention the Nuru Spa in posts due to the never ending questions from guys who are so offended at the thought of treating a sex worker as a professional and making an appointment like every independent and agency escort requests.

But the best escorts know their way around a dick better than any massage lady. All the highest rated escorts, independent or EP, can do Tantric. The lower rated ones at EP would not be good choices. A person wants someone who has a reputation of staying the full hour and trying to please, and offering a second cum, since the second cum is often a tantric session even for younger guys.

Some girls are just better at hand jobs than others. I asked one escort why she is so much better at it than others and she said she learned how to vary her speeds. That is the essence of the tantric process.

Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic..

[ExExpatriate]

Most complaints about bad service or legitimately unreasonable expense can be addressed simply by doing some homework. The internet has been around for a quarter century. It's what this forum is for.

That we've never referenced Genuine Tantric and it is infrequently discussed on other boards should be seen as a yellow or red flag.

All that said, nuru massage without FS fills a certain niche, namely in that there is zero risk of bringing something home from it. For some fellows, that matters. It's easy to see why. If one is going that route, it's totally unreasonable to expect a steep discount against FS rates. If incall escorts are asking for 120 to 150, most massagistas want 100 to 130. They all confront the same. Overhead, so expecting a massagista to go for 80 an hour like it was 2015 isn't realistic.

We reference what going rates are here frequently, so the only excuse for not knowing them is laziness. All you need to do is skim four or five pages.

[Harry1217]

I'm glad you enjoyed the service. You say you weren't looking for FS as you are cheap but the irony is that you paid very close to the rate for FS. You paid 130 while FS with ladies from EP would have cost 150.

Also, I know you enjoyed the service but being short-changed by 20 minutes actually made it an even more expensive experience. Personally I would be really annoyed if I only got 40 minutes having paid for an hour (even if the service was good).

I actually visited this same place a few weeks ago but I thought I would be getting FS as well. I can't justify paying the same amount for a 'massage' as I would for FS so I'm only going to return to those places which are well reported as providing massage + FS. But I do enjoy an erotic massage so that's why these places also appeal to me.

Let me start with the fact that being a cheap bastard who mostly plays in Brazil, I wasn't looking for FS and didn't ask if it was available. I was, however, on my never-ending mission to find an elusive, mind-blowing tantric service.

Anyway, I didn't find it there either, but I got a pleasant erotic massage with a superb he. Quite expensive for 130 euro, but oh well. That's Europe.

Here are the rates.

Lingam in lingerie: 80 euro for 30 minutes.

"Sensitive" (whatever that means) topless: 100 for 40 minutes.

Tantric in the nude: 130 for 1 hour.

[Xpartan]

Let me start with the fact that being a cheap bastard who mostly plays in Brazil, I wasn't looking for FS and didn't ask if it was available. I was, however, on my never-ending mission to find an elusive, mind-blowing tantric service. Most tantrics in my life were just glorified HJs. I've had exactly TWO real tantric massages in my life that landed me on the Moon: in Hamburg and Siem Reap of all places. But like a true sucker, I keep trying and trying to no avail.

Anyway, I didn't find it there either, but I got a pleasant erotic massage with a superb he. Quite expensive for 130 euro, but oh well. That's Europe.

Here are the rates.

Lingam in lingerie: 80 euro for 30 minutes.

"Sensitive" (whatever that means) topless: 100 for 40 minutes.

Tantric in the nude: 130 for 1 hour.

Nuru: 150 for 1 hour.

I chose Tantric. It was Sunday, and there were 2 girls working, Emma and Kira. Both are Brazilian. We made a 7 PM appointment (went with my buddy). I picked Emma. My buddy took Kira who was available, while Emma was late. She started with a nice light massage then turned me over and finished with a really superb HJ. While it wasn't tantric, it was good enough that I exploded all over the COT. She did short me by about 20 minutes, but I was satisfied and besides I didn't want my buddy to wait for me, so I didn't make an issue about it.

The place is quite upscale with showers in the room. The only thing not everyone will like is that there are cots on the floor instead of a bed or massage table. I had sent a WA message in Google Translate Portuguese, but the receptionist (a young girl who also looks awesome) speaks perfect English, so it's not necessary.

My buddy raved about Kira, and since we reunited at the reception at the same time, I guess, that one wasn't a clock-watcher. Both girls are beautiful with great bodies to match.

https://www.genuine-tantric.com/

[ExExpatriate]

The real virtue of Lisbon in these terms is the plethora of independent, high quality courtesans charging below pan-European rates that can be visited incall and with a high degree of safety.

If one prefers to pay substantially more for the services of a club or to have a pimp / agency that could just as well send a rotten lemon to your door, well. A guy wants what a guy wants. But I believe that guy would be happier somewhere else.

I agree about MulheresVIP. The only sites worth referencing are Apartadox, Portalprivado, Momentosdeprazer, Docemassgem and Somassagens. Everything else is just way to untrustworthy.

[YouFlat]

Most of my communication was via a foreign number. I sometimes get asked to share my live location on WhatsApp just to show that I'm actually in the country and genuinely making a booking.

My best piece of advice is steer clear of MulheresVIP!! Honestly, I'm still fuming at how they waste people's time without any consequences. Maybe it was mentioned before and I missed it but I do really wish I was warned before. The main issue with booking escorts in this lovely city is that there aren't any professional agencies that save everyone time, money and effort by flushing out all these fake profiles and crazy people.

I was genuinely worried a couple of times when making a booking and confirming my address and everything and then end up with a no show and not even an apology or explanation as to what happened or is going to happen. You will be left worried about booking someone else and the first booking rocking up 2 hrs late because they just do what they want here with no agency to regulate.

I am very thankful that I stumbled upon this forum because it does explain and help navigate around but yes I do have a chip on my shoulder about MulheresVIP as they advertise some genuine profiles with fake ones so they make you think they have real people.

Good luck and enjoy your stay. Stick with EP or Apartadox otherwise, you can't go wrong with elefante Branco but expect to pay an extra €50-100 (entry + drinks + taxi there and back).

Thank you for all the useful reports and information on this forum. I'm visiting Lisbon soon and look forward to submitting some reports of my own. It's good to see that I can message Escort Privada in English. Do I need a local number (I. E. Local SIM card) or will they answer international numbers?

[YouFlat]

Thank you.

The answer to all your questions about Catia Bom and services is a Yes! She's not fluent in English but can easily get by.

Thank you for that wealth of great information, especially about Catia Bom. I hope you don't mind a few follow-up questions.

There has been an information request for her on the local board for a while, so your review of her is particularly appreciated.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...Catia-Bom-6582

I assume she speaks some English? There is a lot of demand here on ISG for young, attractive English-speaking independent escorts.

Catia lists Completo in her profile and more importantly wears an anal plug in her ad, so I assume she offers anal sex? And I assume she offers BBBJ as part of the session?

Marta Castro gets a lot of great reviews. If I recall correctly the poster Hawk didn't like her as well as he liked Aurora, so I stopped mentioning her as often in the upper echelon of EP providers, but many guys love her, and your high recommendation of her is very much appreciated. They can all differ in enthusiasm from day to day, so the averaging of many reviews is what is most important..

[Mongerer88]

Thank you for that wealth of great information, especially about Catia Bom. I hope you don't mind a few follow-up questions.

There has been an information request for her on the local board for a while, so your review of her is particularly appreciated.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...Catia-Bom-6582

I assume she speaks some English? There is a lot of demand here on ISG for young, attractive English-speaking independent escorts.

Catia lists Completo in her profile and more importantly wears an anal plug in her ad, so I assume she offers anal sex? And I assume she offers BBBJ as part of the session?

Marta Castro gets a lot of great reviews. If I recall correctly the poster Hawk didn't like her as well as he liked Aurora, so I stopped mentioning her as often in the upper echelon of EP providers, but many guys love her, and your high recommendation of her is very much appreciated. They can all differ in enthusiasm from day to day, so the averaging of many reviews is what is most important.

Hopefully Margarida Vaz improves. It is frustrating. An older provider will never get younger, an unattractive provider will never get prettier, and a fat provider will not usually get slimmer (and even if they do if they were big enough at the start there will always be some reminders of the old days). Margarida has all the attributes that other providers would love to have, or to have back, and she could be the undisputed number one escort in Lisbon with some effort, enthusiasm and dedication. Time will tell if we ever see it, or see it before she is older and less attractive.

Lisbon has its charm, I will outline the pros and cons from my experience here while also providing a few reviews.

A little about myself, I am in my late twenties and regular visitor to Lisbon.

My opinion here is purely based on punting experiences and nothing to do with the people or city or country. I love Portugal, the food, culture and their women.

So here we go;.

There aren't many places in western Europe where you can find escorts at these rates which is a great thing however, you do get what you pay for. I understand the clientele for luxury escorts isn't really here hence why it is difficult to find or replicate those experiences here in Lisbon but a man can try.

The lowest I go for is 150 and the highest I've paid before for a visit is close to $1,000.

In terms of massage parlours, as per previous posts on here, these are very bad value for money. You paid nearly as much as for an escort who will go the whole way and most of them just do HJ and some don't like guests to touch anything. So definitely another vote here against massage parlours.

Moving in to escorting sites; these are all independent websites and so unlike.

Most other countries / cities where bookings are made via agencies, these are all direct with the ladies so you do get many that fake ages etc.

Apartadox & EP are the two most prominent here. Most reliable but not to be confused with reliable (most girls I booked from here can't stick to a booking schedule or agreed times).

Lots of fake profiles on Euro escort girls website for Lisbon.

MulheresVIP. Multiple bait and switch fakes. If they won't come to your apartment or Airbnb and say they'll only go to a hotel then most likely they are fakes. How do I know this? I booked incalls because I wasn't going to book a hotel room and twice it was a bait and switch. At least I didn't get robbed I guess but still well annoying and waste of time. Totally unprofessional.

Portal Privado. Real girls but low quality selection.

My best experience here at finding an attractive lady has been going myself to elefante Branco and taking her home. So forget about day time bookings.

Mayte. From Apartadox looks like she's in her early 30's. Arrived late, I would give her a 6/10.

Aurora Alfaite. Attractive lady probably in mid to late 20's, speaks English, has good chat. Doesn't like cunnilingus. I'the give her 7/10.

Margarida Vaz. Very attractive probably 20 year old girl but very mechanic experience and yes leaves 15 mins early. Doesn't know how to give a proper blowjob but body was insane 7/10.

Sabrina Barbosa. Cute little Brazilian or cape verdian lady, didn't speak much English. Wasn't my most memorable experience so 6/10.

Soraia Albuquerque. Cute local girl next door kinda girl. I think she has had a back injury or was born with a twisted spine or something. Nice lady but not my type 6/10.

Ariana Pilar. Arrived late, nice body, didn't smell very hygienic and looks older than profile states. 4/10.

Vera Guerra. Made 2 bookings, lady agreed and confirmed she was coming and then some wild crazy stories about why she can't make it, car problems and I don't know what. Decided to not fall for these stories for a third time and won't ever book again.

Catia Bom. Young girl probably 20, does all services advertised, cute with a few birth marks but all in all I would say she wants to please so 8/10.

Marta Castro. Probably my fav here in Lisbon. Very attractive, does all services with pleasure and smiling. Her aim is to please. 9/10.

Barbara Gouveia. Definitely not the age she is advertising, I would say a 40 year old with the body of a 20 year old is the best way to describe this booking. She has good chat and she tries to please 5/10. Low score is for the dishonesty about age because I'm young so I wouldn't normally go for someone approx. 15 years older.

There are others whose profiles are now taken down that I saw 2 years ago etc. And I don't remember their names so have been left out.

I don't know if I'll come back or be active here but thought to share this in the hopes to help others not fall for the catfish and bait and switch tricks and to share my understanding of how things work in this city.

I hope this helps and respect to everyone taking the time to help the rest of us out.

[Harry1217]

Thank you very much for the tip. This worked! I would never have figured this out without your help.

I had this issue too. It took me some time to get around it. My Google Translate was messing with the letters. Try visit the page in Portuguese and answer the question in this language. When I switched between Portugese and English, the capital letters also changed. Good luck!

[YouFlat]

Lisbon has its charm, I will outline the pros and cons from my experience here while also providing a few reviews.

A little about myself, I am in my late twenties and regular visitor to Lisbon.

My opinion here is purely based on punting experiences and nothing to do with the people or city or country. I love Portugal, the food, culture and their women.

So here we go;.

There aren't many places in western Europe where you can find escorts at these rates which is a great thing however, you do get what you pay for. I understand the clientele for luxury escorts isn't really here hence why it is difficult to find or replicate those experiences here in Lisbon but a man can try.

The lowest I go for is €150 and the highest I've paid before for a visit is close to $1,000.

In terms of massage parlours, as per previous posts on here, these are very bad value for money. You paid nearly as much as for an escort who will go the whole way and most of them just do HJ and some don't like guests to touch anything. So definitely another vote here against massage parlours.

Moving in to escorting sites; these are all independent websites and so unlike.

Most other countries / cities where bookings are made via agencies, these are all direct with the ladies so you do get many that fake ages etc.

Apartadox & EP are the two most prominent here. Most reliable but not to be confused with reliable (most girls I booked from here can't stick to a booking schedule or agreed times).

Lots of fake profiles on Euro escort girls website for Lisbon.

MulheresVIP. Multiple bait and switch fakes. If they won't come to your apartment or Airbnb and say they'll only go to a hotel then most likely they are fakes. How do I know this? I booked incalls because I wasn't going to book a hotel room and twice it was a bait and switch. At least I didn't get robbed I guess but still well annoying and waste of time. Totally unprofessional.

Portal Privado. Real girls but low quality selection.

My best experience here at finding an attractive lady has been going myself to elefante Branco and taking her home. So forget about day time bookings.

Mayte. From Apartadox looks like she's in her early 30's. Arrived late, I would give her a 6/10.

Aurora Alfaite. Attractive lady probably in mid to late 20's, speaks English, has good chat. Doesn't like cunnilingus. I'the give her 7/10.

Margarida Vaz. Very attractive probably 20 year old girl but very mechanic experience and yes leaves 15 mins early. Doesn't know how to give a proper blowjob but body was insane 7/10.

Sabrina Barbosa. Cute little Brazilian or cape verdian lady, didn't speak much English. Wasn't my most memorable experience so 6/10.

Soraia Albuquerque. Cute local girl next door kinda girl. I think she has had a back injury or was born with a twisted spine or something. Nice lady but not my type 6/10.

Ariana Pilar. Arrived late, nice body, didn't smell very hygienic and looks older than profile states. 4/10.

Vera Guerra. Made 2 bookings, lady agreed and confirmed she was coming and then some wild crazy stories about why she can't make it, car problems and I don't know what. Decided to not fall for these stories for a third time and won't ever book again.

Catia Bom. Young girl probably 20, does all services advertised, cute with a few birth marks but all in all I would say she wants to please so 8/10.

Marta Castro. Probably my fav here in Lisbon. Very attractive, does all services with pleasure and smiling. Her aim is to please. 9/10.

Barbara Gouveia. Definitely not the age she is advertising, I would say a 40 year old with the body of a 20 year old is the best way to describe this booking. She has good chat and she tries to please 5/10. Low score is for the dishonesty about age because I'm young so I wouldn't normally go for someone approx. 15 years older.

There are others whose profiles are now taken down that I saw 2 years ago etc. And I don't remember their names so have been left out.

I don't know if I'll come back or be active here but thought to share this in the hopes to help others not fall for the catfish and bait and switch tricks and to share my understanding of how things work in this city.

I hope this helps and respect to everyone taking the time to help the rest of us out.

[Shaidester]

I saw her twice. Extremely attractive, pretty face with an amazing body, one of the more beautiful escorts I've ever been with. Looks about 20-22 years old. More tan (which suits her) compared to her pictures on EP. She speaks decent English.

She definitely will try and leave before the hour is up. In my case, she stayed long enough for 2 rounds and then left shortly after, which was fine with me.

Definitely not a GFE experience or passionate sex, but I was satisfied (again, she is very attractive), she did open a bit the second time I booked her, so maybe she is someone that improves with repetition.

[Shaidester]

Found a hidden gem based off some reports off the local board, Ellen from classificadosx (offers massage + full service). I saw her a few times, the reviews are pretty spot on: amazing body, very cute face, however she wears a mask the entire time with the exception of moving it to the side for the blowjob (which is very good).

If you can get past the fact that she wears the mask + covered BJ, then I highly recommend. Very affordable also.

https://www.classificadosx.net/pt/an...-disp-ate-as-1