Lisbon

[Kama Leão]

Kama Leao and all other good people, can you provide full addresses for, E. G, Allure Spa, Heiwa Spa, as well as Buda Center in Estoril and Sakura in Cascais. Are they into more than massage? The more the merrier.

As a matter of fact, I don't even remember the name of the spa where I met Elena Russa. But I do remember it was in Rua Afonso Lopes Vieira, nº 56 B (a cross street from Avenida do Brasil, near Campo Grande). When you get there, you must call her (or text her) and she'll open you the street door. And, as I said before, she's into so much more than just massage... Come to think of it, I actually skipped the massage bit... LOL.

About the other ones you mention I know nothing.

[Pecadozinho]

Probably nothing easier for a tourist than calling, emailing and / or whatsapping Escort Privada (in English) and arranging for a specific lady to arrive at your hotel room at a specific time, knock on the door, and being naked within 5 to 10 minutes of the knock on the door.

With respect to your other comments, anyone is of course welcome to post what they want, but there are some issues to consider.

You seem to prefer walking into an incall without an appointment at a published address with the beforehand knowledge that sex will be available.

1. Europe, with the exception of Germany, has been moving away from the model of a lot of girls sitting around awaiting your arrival in the hope that you will choose one of them. The best looking women, in my opinion, primarily work via appointment. That requires some reasonable communication and appointment making. Technology makes that easier, and it is possible with Google Translate to interact with someone who doesn't speak your native tongue. Many of us would prefer the old walk-in brothel system, but the younger and hotter ladies seem to prefer the efficiencies of scheduling specific appointments and having the freedom to live their lives as they choose while not "in session". Note on this board and on the local board how fewer reviews exist today than a decade ago of walk-in line-up brothels..

Mongere88,

With my paltry 7 posts I can't match you formidable 1400+, but I know my personal limitations. I am not technology-challenged. Still, I do face operational difficulties in communicating while abroad, Google Translate, Whatapp, etc. Notwithstanding. In addition, Irie73's post (#2768) clearly indicates that well-coordinated incalls / outcalls can go sour, too. So if people can share valuable address information on places that offer the full service menu here in this forum that would be lovely. There is room for people like me in the food chain. This forum can be helpful for us, too humbly.

[Dartanian100]

2. Google "photos of typical Portuguese women" and open the Images tab that appears. The Lisbon escorts that you will encounter look a hell of a lot like the 20-30 year olds in those photos. Portuguese women have a distinctive look that often involves a more angular face with a more prominent nose than other parts of Europe. Some guys will find that more attractive than other guys. Same with Romanian girls at FKK clubs, some guys are more attracted to them than other guys. The French reviewer that first recommended EP to me told me that Sara Valente was a great fuck but he thought she was ugly, compared to the French and Russian women he saw in Paris. I saw Sara and when I told him I found her to be very cute (and a good fuck) he thought I was nuts. But the video of her is definitely real (and the dog looks real too). I have seen her three times and still find her to be facially attractive.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...ente-2534.html.

Thanks so much Mongerer88. Sara was high up on my list but I saw some reviews in the local board that said she looked like she was in her 30's. Whats you opinion, does she look close to her posted age of 24? That body looks amazing.

[Mongerer88]

As I follow this this exchange, I can't help thinking that the old-style incall places are a safer bet for the less-experienced, non-locals. EP ladies surely are better looking and likely give better service, but probably not to the less-experienced, and even they appear to be less than advertised (naturally, BTW). So I would be grateful for info on places like the Nuru Spa Lisbon that Lucknow reported and other massage places that provide full service at reasonable cost.

Probably nothing easier for a tourist than calling, emailing and / or whatsapping Escort Privada (in English) and arranging for a specific lady to arrive at your hotel room at a specific time, knock on the door, and being naked within 5 to 10 minutes of the knock on the door.

With respect to your other comments, anyone is of course welcome to post what they want, but there are some issues to consider.

You seem to prefer walking into an incall without an appointment at a published address with the beforehand knowledge that sex will be available.

1. Europe, with the exception of Germany, has been moving away from the model of a lot of girls sitting around awaiting your arrival in the hope that you will choose one of them. The best looking women, in my opinion, primarily work via appointment. That requires some reasonable communication and appointment making. Technology makes that easier, and it is possible with Google Translate to interact with someone who doesn't speak your native tongue. Many of us would prefer the old walk-in brothel system, but the younger and hotter ladies seem to prefer the efficiencies of scheduling specific appointments and having the freedom to live their lives as they choose while not "in session". Note on this board and on the local board how fewer reviews exist today than a decade ago of walk-in line-up brothels.

2. Prostitution is legal in Portugal, but pimping, pandering and operating a brothel is not. Many massage parlors where bbbjtcim is offered just might not be too eager to indicate on their website that they have 10 ladies on staff offering bbbjtcim. Don't forget that one of Lisbon's best known line-up brothels, Michelle's, was in fact shut down.

3. Similar to number 2, even if law enforcement isn't involved (and there is very little law enforcement activity in Portugal with respect to this activity), many apartment brothels technically violate the terms of their lease. If the exact nature of their activities is posted online in the same post as their exact address, they could have problems with a landlord. Also, for the independents, a few use the apartment where they live, as did a lady I saw not long ago in Barcelona. Pretty sure she wouldn't appreciate having her exact apartment address and unit number posted online.

For most of Europe other than Germany and for North America, the standard technique for incall is for the approximate location (nearby street intersection) to be listed online so that a person can get very near the address prior to the appointment, and for him to get the exact address, including the keypad code (if any) a few minutes before the appointment time. Those exact details are generally not posted online.

It is always a good idea to have WhatsApp, Google Translate, and the foreign numbers one through nine in numerical and ordinal format handy for any last minute translations, although most buildings in western Europe actually use English numbers. The street names are well marked in Portugal, taxis are inexpensive, and people are friendly. So plenty of guys here on ISG are able to do incall quite easily without exact addresses and apartment numbers being published.

[Pecadozinho]

Hi,

A follow-up on my previous post. As Kama Leao recommended Elena Russa, I looked up Docemassagem's Centros & Spas page at http://www.docemassagem.com/centros_e_spas.html. At least one or two places advertised there have been mentioned in this board as offering a broader menu than what their web pages specify. The problem is that in most cases there is no street / floor / apt address, and communication is always difficult.

So, Kama Leao and all other good people, can you provide full addresses for, E. G, Allure Spa, Heiwa Spa, as well as Buda Center in Estoril and Sakura in Cascais. Are they into more than massage? The more the merrier.

Regards,

PZ.

[Pecadozinho]

The guy on the other review site who told a similar story had a lot of posts all over the world. If I recall correctly, he booked three hours and she left after a half hour or so and insinuated that if he complained she might allege that he did something inappropriate.

My question for CrazyJerome is whether he knew of this site prior to the booking? If so, why did you use them?

As I follow this this exchange, I can't help thinking that the old-style incall places are a safer bet for the less-experienced, non-locals. EP ladies surely are better looking and likely give better service, but probably not to the less-experienced, and even they appear to be less than advertised (naturally, BTW). So I would be grateful for info on places like the Nuru Spa Lisbon that Lucknow reported and other massage places that provide full service at reasonable cost.

[Mongerer88]

With just one post under your belt your story sounds suspicious. Even if it's genuine, if you pledge 1000 euros before even having seen the girl and handed over the money after seeing for yourself she was not the right girl, you asked for it.

The guy on the other review site who told a similar story had a lot of posts all over the world. If I recall correctly, he booked three hours and she left after a half hour or so and insinuated that if he complained she might allege that he did something inappropriate.

My question for CrazyJerome is whether he knew of this site prior to the booking? If so, why did you use them?

[XXL]

I ordered Eva last Thursday for a date of 10 hours. One hour before the date they would call me in the hotel. At that moment they told me to pay to the driver 940 EUR...

With just one post under your belt your story sounds suspicious. Even if it's genuine, if you pledge 1000 euros before even having seen the girl and handed over the money after seeing for yourself she was not the right girl, you asked for it.

[Mongerer88]

Sorry this happened to you. It is not the first time that the Unforgettable Escorts agency has been reported to do this. There was a similar report on the international section of the big American review site for Unforgettable Escorts.

I am copying this section from my post #1785 of March 19,2016 to note their affiliates that you should also not use.

"There are a couple of agencies and conglomerates to be cautious of. A group of independents came together and formed Best Escorts Portugal, which appeared promising since many of the ladies had been operating independently for a long time, but in the very first review of them on the big American review site, an experienced reviewer indicated that he received a blatant bait and switch and terrible performance.

There is a conglomerate of escort services that link to each other. Easy Outcall Escort, Unforgettable Escorts, Attraction Escorts, Lissabon Escorts, Delightful Escorts, Flirt Escorts, Escorts Lisbon, Cascais Escorts, Estoril Escorts, and Algarve Holiday Escorts that appear to be one big agency. There are very few, if any, reviews of this group other than a blatantly fake review on this site that a guy got called out on. I tried to communicate with them once and I found them to be rude. I did not have a good impression of them. ".

Seriously guys, don't use Google Searches to find escorts anywhere in the world without verifying what you find by reading reviews on sites like ISG and / or local review boards for Portugal.

The sites that pop-up first on Google Searches in the sex industry are often ones that pay people in India to type their names in over and over on Google. Then they rip off customers. There is a lot of sleaze in this business.

This "conglomerate" that includes Unforgettable Escorts is really bad news. They target unsuspecting foreigners who find them via internet searches and they have no trustable positive reviews on any site.

I ordered Eva last Thursday for a date of 10 hours. One hour before the date they would call me in the hotel. At that moment they told me to pay to the driver 940 EUR.

Then the girl arrived with the driver. It wasn't the girl from the picture. She was a older and white. But looked OK. But definitely not so hot as the girl in the picture. I paid the driver.

[CrazyJerome]

I ordered Eva last Thursday for a date of 10 hours. One hour before the date they would call me in the hotel. At that moment they told me to pay to the driver 940 EUR.

Then the girl arrived with the driver. It wasn't the girl from the picture. She was a older and white. But looked OK. But definitely not so hot as the girl in the picture. I paid the driver.

After three hours the girl faked she got miserable. She told me to contact the agency and left. The agency didn't react on any e-mail and didn't answer any phonecalls from me. It was clear to me my money is gone. 1040 EUR. Three hours included extras would be 500 EUR. 540 EUR were gone.

Conclusion: photos are fake and never pay the driver.

This agency is a big scam.

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EDITOR's NOTE: This report was originally written in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING and thus was edited to normal case text. Writing in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING in the internet equivalent of shouting and is thus is prohibited on this forum.

In the future, please do not write reports in ALL CAPITAL LETTERING. Thanks!

[Mongerer88]

Thanks for this. I'll be there next week for a few nights and am now rather cautious about the site. It's too bad, there are some nice looking pictures on there. Any other tips for a newbie in Lisbon?

1. Study the films. Apartadox has a video for each lady, and video is more difficult to "photoshop" than photos. If you study Paula Borges ad over and over again like you were the Warren Commision analyzing the Zapruder JFK Assassination film, I am pretty sure you can tell that her butt is 10 to 20 percent larger in the video than in the pictures. She still appears to be a pretty good fuck to me based on the video, though.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...rges-3422.html

If weight is a huge thing, you can clearly tell that Carlota is slimmer than her older sister Carolina in the video. And the EP profiles list Carlota as eight kilograms lighter than Carolina. So pay attention to these little differences, because they will be more pronounced in reality.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhante-Carolinad'AlmeidaeCarlotad'Almeida-3219. Html.

2. Google "photos of typical Portuguese women" and open the Images tab that appears. The Lisbon escorts that you will encounter look a hell of a lot like the 20-30 year olds in those photos. Portuguese women have a distinctive look that often involves a more angular face with a more prominent nose than other parts of Europe. Some guys will find that more attractive than other guys. Same with Romanian girls at FKK clubs, some guys are more attracted to them than other guys. The French reviewer that first recommended EP to me told me that Sara Valente was a great fuck but he thought she was ugly, compared to the French and Russian women he saw in Paris. I saw Sara and when I told him I found her to be very cute (and a good fuck) he thought I was nuts. But the video of her is definitely real (and the dog looks real too). I have seen her three times and still find her to be facially attractive.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...ente-2534.html

I reviewed Barbara Mello a zillion pages ago under her old EP name and was upfront that I wasn't particularly attracted to her face, especially compared to the 18 year-old blonde Ana Castro (no longer active) who I had seen the night before. But many of her reviews say the reviewer found Barbara to be pretty. So these things are hard to reconcile. If you aren't attracted to the "Portuguese look" or to a specific lady, remember you get deeper penetration in doggie style anyway.

3. Have a plan with an escort. The reviewer who didn't get second rounds or all the advertised services didn't mention DATY or much about the lady's personality during the session. The more you work her off, or at least give her a massage, after Round One while having some conversation, the less likely she is going to start watching the clock. If you don't find her particularly attractive compared to the pictures, probably not a good idea to let her know that. I believe there was a philosopher, Confucius perhaps, who said that you can't put a flower in an asshole and call it a vase.

4. Know yourself. I would be willing to bet you 150 euros that if we saw the non-photoshopped pictures of the Gallery lady and the other ladies in the recent review, there would be little difference. There are a tremendous number of guys who really enjoy the German FKKs, Madrid's Vive nightclub, and Lisbon's Gallery. A few drinks, some good food, music and conversation make a woman appear much more beautiful than she might otherwise be (Mongerer88 not Confucius that time). It is a lot more like real dating, and there is some real-life normal build-up before the act is completed. Seeing an escort involves anticipation centered around one's imagination that is fueled by pictures (which are photoshopped as every photo of every woman on the Internet is. How often do you meet a cute waitress and go look her up on Facebook and find her pictures show whiter teeth, blonder hair and bigger boobs than what you just saw while eating your burger? A meeting with an escort is one of the only times in your life that your dick will be inside her 15 minutes after you first meet her. That doesn't appeal equally to everyone, and guys who prefer a more "normal" introduction, will in my opinion rate the ladies higher than they will traditional outcall (or apartment incall) escorts.

[Kama Leão]

Any other tips for a newbie in Lisbon?

Read the last 5 or 6 pages from this thread and, according to your preferences, select a few candidates; text them in advance; on the eve of your arrival, check if everything is settled.

Besides the ones mentioned on the previous pages, try this Siberian beauty: https://www.docemassagem.com/massagista_elena_russa_31/. She provides BBBJTC, A-levels, DATY, FFK and, of course her beautiful pussy service.

Enjoy the stay!

[Dartanian100]

Thanks for this. I'll be there next week for a few nights and am now rather cautious about the site. It's too bad, there are some nice looking pictures on there. Any other tips for a newbie in Lisbon?

First of all, thank you all for all interesting information.

I've just maid a trip to Lisbon and this is my review:

- Rita Alves (150 / 1 h).

She was not my first choice but after having tried to contact several escorts of "escortprivada" via whatsapp, I was told that she was the only one available for a short-term appointment.

She is very nice nextdoor looking girl. She is in her early thirties. She has few kilos more than what you can see on her photos.

She is very dedicated to what she is doing, and has a nice conversation.

[Mongerer88]

Thanks Mongerer88.

If I were to reach Lisbon on Nov 25, how many days before should I start texting the ladies. Not sure if the ladies maintain a calendar and how soon their appointments fill up.

Also, do you believe I can get ladies on a Sunday evening? Being a business trip, I only have Sunday and Wednesday evening open.

Thanks!

Send text and / or email (do both with Escortprivada) 7 days before and follow-up 1 day before even if you have already booked a session. If scheduling in advance, Sundays are not a major problem with EP and most independents, just don't send a message on Sunday wanting a session on that same day that you haven't already scheduled. All providers in Portugal seem iffy about checking email and messages on a Sunday.

[First Timer1]

There are no legal problems with doing either outcall or incall in Portugal. The selling and purchasing of sex is legal in Portugal. Certain ancillary activities, such as pimping and pandering, are illegal (as is the case in every country of the world). Technically, maintaining a true brothel is illegal (as the shut down of Michelle's indicates) so the incall places with several ladies are usually categorized as massage parlors. Hotels are guest-friendly. Usually the lady can just come up to your room and knock on the door. For the few hotels with elevator keycards, you just meet her in the lobby. Hotel occupants are allowed to have guests up to their room. Portugal is not like South America.

For what it is worth, there is much less "policing" with respect to outcall escorting in the United States than commonly believed. It is easier to get an escort up to your room in the US than in many countries in South America. Law enforcement in the US doesn't send policewomen into hotels for an outcall appointment and arrest customers after some level of sexual activity has occurred. That is an urban myth perpetuated by bad TV shows. Law enforcement stings involving hotel rooms are incall oriented. In the US, a customer purchases time and companionship rather than sex, and outcall is much less risky for the customer.

Thanks Mongerer88.

If I were to reach Lisbon on Nov 25, how many days before should I start texting the ladies. Not sure if the ladies maintain a calendar and how soon their appointments fill up.

Also, do you believe I can get ladies on a Sunday evening? Being a business trip, I only have Sunday and Wednesday evening open.

Thanks!