Lisbon

[Kama Leão]

Of course if you read 200 pages in the forum and finds. One good service girl. That does not make this country a good place for mongering.

I don't know if your problem is one of math or of reading. But one of them it sure is.

[IsaBahn]

The issue is that the vast majority of your experiences appear to be negative, spread across several different countries. That raises the question of whether it is the girls, or whether you should be doing this activity at all. From a quick browse of your reports, it appears you prefer a type of setting where there are lots of ladies to choose from, and you can relax and enjoy the atmosphere too (i.e. Vive madrid, FKK's etc).

Also you're going to wind people up when you've only seen a handful of ladies in Lisbon, and you advise people to stay away from the place, against a backdrop of plenty of positive reports on this forum.

I understand you're Spanish so I would be surprised if you didn't like your fellow Iberian country, unless of course you're not happy with your home country and perhaps the Iberian peninsula isn't the place for you.

I do have high standards.

I did had great experiences (Germany, Madrid, Kyiev, Rio, Bogota) with good reviews and reports.

Bottom line, if you try girls in random and get 1 good out of 10 in Lisbon. This is the rate I am going to give.

If you try random girls in Bogota / Germany and get 5 good or 7 good out of 10 this is the rate this country is given.

Of course if you read 200 pages in the forum and finds. One good service girl. That does not make this country a good place for mongering.

Go to Germany. You will enjoy more. Here is a 150/200 euro p / hour escort agency I had very good experiences (more than 5 times) with in Berlin escort77. Berlin. Sorry if I offended someone but truth had to be told and it is a good practice to report so others will know.

Fore me: Avoid Lisbon.

[Harry1217]

The issue is that the vast majority of your experiences appear to be negative, spread across several different countries. That raises the question of whether it is the girls, or whether you should be doing this activity at all. From a quick browse of your reports, it appears you prefer a type of setting where there are lots of ladies to choose from, and you can relax and enjoy the atmosphere too (i.e. Vive madrid, FKK's etc).

Also you're going to wind people up when you've only seen a handful of ladies in Lisbon, and you advise people to stay away from the place, against a backdrop of plenty of positive reports on this forum.

I understand you're Spanish so I would be surprised if you didn't like your fellow Iberian country, unless of course you're not happy with your home country and perhaps the Iberian peninsula isn't the place for you.

Hi,

Got some nice (and not so nice) responses to my Lisbon review. I would like to fine-tune it.

First of all, it is my recommendation and taste. I somehow couldn't connect to any of the girls vibe, communication and eventually sexual encounter (massage, or escort) and due to time constraint (and payment) I couldn't test ALL the ladies. Unfortunately MY experience was not good and I basically think that sexually mongering is better else where. Even Madrid with VIVE for example. But it is still just MY experience and trying to reflect it to others.

I would like to correct a few things from my previous trip to Lisbon last year. This time I had more time to travel around Portugal and got some good recommendations for restaurants. Portugal is a beautiful place, Sintra is amazing (and huge), the views are marvellous and sea food is delicious (especially in Cascais).

[IsaBahn]

Hi,

Got some nice (and not so nice) responses to my Lisbon review. I would like to fine-tune it.

First of all, it is my recommendation and taste. I somehow couldn't connect to any of the girls vibe, communication and eventually sexual encounter (massage, or escort) and due to time constraint (and payment) I couldn't test ALL the ladies. Unfortunately MY experience was not good and I basically think that sexually mongering is better else where. Even Madrid with VIVE for example. But it is still just MY experience and trying to reflect it to others.

I would like to correct a few things from my previous trip to Lisbon last year. This time I had more time to travel around Portugal and got some good recommendations for restaurants. Portugal is a beautiful place, Sintra is amazing (and huge), the views are marvellous and sea food is delicious (especially in Cascais).

[ExExpatriate]

I suppose we should ALL be grateful when an angry thumb scores only known poor performers. Serving such a person must be unpleasant. I wouldn't wish that on the ladies I like or wish to call upon in the future. Even from a practical point of view -- bad experiences contribute to burn out.

[Harry1217]

Good points. I find it hard to believe that a person wouldn't find in Lisbon the type of service they are looking for. It's not as if Lisbon ladies are highly conservative or not up for certain things. After all, whether it's a FKK (e.g.) or not, ultimately you're having sex with a lady. Perhaps I'm viewing it too simplistically.

The accuracy of the advertising in Lisbon could be better, as you say. I was specifically looking for a bit of fetish fun, and contacted a couple of other ladies who had BDSM listed, as back-up in case Joana wasn't available. However, when I mentioned it to them, they said they didn't provide it (for example, Sofia Sampaio). More care should be taken to ensure the lady does provide the services listed.

Harry1217, Thank you for the Joanna review. I wish I had been able to see her, but such is life with EP, even when you try to book in advance. And thanks for the groundbreaking Ana Lucia review.

If you take the time to read Avivis's reviews, they are about 85 to 90 percent negative experiences, and if I recall correctly he prefers CBJ instead of BBBJ.

I doubt that there are any other board participants exactly like him. If there are, tgey would be advised to stay away from Lisbon. And perhaps this activity entirely if a person is displeased 85 to 90 percent of the time.

While it isn't as bad as with him, it happens a lot in the forums. A guy who enjoys FKKs who writes for 10 pages trying to find a German FKK in Spain or Portugal ends up disappointed when the experience isn't like a German FKK even when told that no FKKs exist in Spain or Portugal.

I believe I remember that Avivis also dislikes Portuguese food and other customs. Personally, I like the food and the hour or hour and a half of GFE in the room.

Are criticisms valid? Of course. Portugal really doesn't have a BDSM scene, unlike London which obviously does (with dims, switches and subs). But a not insignificant portion of London full-service BDSM providers are CBJ only, which honestly ruins the session for me. When it comes to valid criticisms, Sarah Valente's ad sometimes appears on the BDSM section of Apartadox. It shouldn't, since she doesn't seem to actually do that. Same with anal. EP should quit teasing on items where the ladies rarely deliver. Joanna's review on the Britain site says she does some mild submissive BDSM when comfortable with the customer. Same with Marcela Moniz, who is also anal friendly.

The best way to get the information is to read the reviews. And Lisbon is a soft-pedal place. It is probably best to ask about fetish activities about half-way through the session if the lady seems to feel comfortable with you, and be ready for it to be nicely rejected. That is how I had a tremendous session with EP's long-departed Ana Castro. Portugal sessions are pretty GFE standard, including BBBJ, as can be gleaned from most of the pages. Not sure really what Avivis is looking for in a perfect session, but Portugal doesn't do it for him.

But for the 98 percent of posters who have almost all great sessions in Portugal, so do not say Stay Away, we say, You Should Try Portugal. But as with food, learn to appreciate what is offered in the local culture, not what you want from another culture, or from your imagined hopes and dreams.

Are there ladies to avoid? Of course. EP's Fabiana Lopes just got a dismal review from an experienced reviewer on the local board. But plenty of recommended ladies to see, also.

[Kama Leão]

What I'll do is. Advise people to stay away from ignorant reporting.

Exactly! With so many useful posts and "field reports", you can only go wrong if you choose to ignore them.

[ExExpatriate]

What I'll do is. Advise people to stay away from ignorant reporting.

If you had bothered to either do your own homework or simply ASK, you would have discovered Ariana Pilar has a low rating (and that despite her being Carolina's duo partner). Also, I think it's been years since anyone had anything positive to say about Tantric Moments anywhere, and they've always been an HJ-only place.

Your story screams that you went about things all the wrong way. I post about Cascais regularly, and have a great time in most cases.

This reads like a Kevin's Yelp review. Lisbon rocks. It has its own culture, but so does everywhere else. I don't get why people rave about German brothels, but you don't see me posting on German forums that they suck.

Hi guys,

As usual I report from another city around the world. See my other reports, from Kiev to Rio via Bogota and more.

Lisbon, is a city to avoid. 90% bad experiences for me, maybe a few mediocre. I had one good experience with Caroline Belmont but she stopped working unfortunately.

Went to a massage called Tantric Moments: https://www.tantricmoments.pt/en/ - got in with a smiling Brazilian with huge fake boobs. Got a very low quality massage with handjob at the end. No pussy touching. No kissing. 180 euro for one hour. Waste of money. I tried to check what is happening in other massage parlours. Got in, usually only two girls on the shift, not something thrilling, so I decided to pass and go back to the hotel.

I tried to book some girls from apartadox, most of them wanted 150 euro per hour, but since my hotel was in Cascais they wanted extra 30 euro to get here. I said I will book the Uber, but no, they wanted me to charge up their phone or pass the money upfront through a different shadey way. Now this for me is a very RED flag so I decided not to book any of them. Eventually I found a girl that was chatty on the phone and agreed for me to call her an Uber.

So I booked the girl called Ariana Pilar https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ana-pilar-6673 and it was a disappointment:

1. The good things: She arrived on time. She charged 150 euro for hour. She is not ugly but not good looking either.

2. Bad things: She is not the girl from the photos. She have darker skin. Dirty colour blonde hair.

3. She was very boring in bed. Not terrible just again, boring.

4. We took a shower, had vanilla quiet sex and she left.

I sometimes pay 800 euros for an hour for BDSM girls in Berlin. I can pay a lot. I can pay a bit (in Colombia) but I expect value per money. This was not it. Even the Brazilian girls which in Brazil are so much fun transform to be boring in Lisbon. Go figures.

I have yet to find something worth it in Lisbon. Stay away.

Aviv.

[Mongerer88]

Harry1217, Thank you for the Joanna review. I wish I had been able to see her, but such is life with EP, even when you try to book in advance. And thanks for the groundbreaking Ana Lucia review.

If you take the time to read Avivis's reviews, they are about 85 to 90 percent negative experiences, and if I recall correctly he prefers CBJ instead of BBBJ.

I doubt that there are any other board participants exactly like him. If there are, tgey would be advised to stay away from Lisbon. And perhaps this activity entirely if a person is displeased 85 to 90 percent of the time.

While it isn't as bad as with him, it happens a lot in the forums. A guy who enjoys FKKs who writes for 10 pages trying to find a German FKK in Spain or Portugal ends up disappointed when the experience isn't like a German FKK even when told that no FKKs exist in Spain or Portugal.

I believe I remember that Avivis also dislikes Portuguese food and other customs. Personally, I like the food and the hour or hour and a half of GFE in the room.

Are criticisms valid? Of course. Portugal really doesn't have a BDSM scene, unlike London which obviously does (with dims, switches and subs). But a not insignificant portion of London full-service BDSM providers are CBJ only, which honestly ruins the session for me. When it comes to valid criticisms, Sarah Valente's ad sometimes appears on the BDSM section of Apartadox. It shouldn't, since she doesn't seem to actually do that. Same with anal. EP should quit teasing on items where the ladies rarely deliver. Joanna's review on the Britain site says she does some mild submissive BDSM when comfortable with the customer. Same with Marcela Moniz, who is also anal friendly.

The best way to get the information is to read the reviews. And Lisbon is a soft-pedal place. It is probably best to ask about fetish activities about half-way through the session if the lady seems to feel comfortable with you, and be ready for it to be nicely rejected. That is how I had a tremendous session with EP's long-departed Ana Castro. Portugal sessions are pretty GFE standard, including BBBJ, as can be gleaned from most of the pages. Not sure really what Avivis is looking for in a perfect session, but Portugal doesn't do it for him.

But for the 98 percent of posters who have almost all great sessions in Portugal, so do not say Stay Away, we say, You Should Try Portugal. But as with food, learn to appreciate what is offered in the local culture, not what you want from another culture, or from your imagined hopes and dreams.

Are there ladies to avoid? Of course. EP's Fabiana Lopes just got a dismal review from an experienced reviewer on the local board. But plenty of recommended ladies to see, also.

There are so many well reviewed girls on the tens of pages here that it is a bit harsh to advise people to stay away from Lisbon.

One thing that is indisputable is that Lisbon, like many other cities around the world, has been on a slow decline for many years. By all accounts, the best times were actually when the internet was in its infancy. But there are still good experiences to be had, if you follow the recommendations in this forum.

It's also not fair to compare to a South American country like Brazil, which is a few thousand miles away and has all manner of other considerations. But i agree it would be strange if you plonked a girl from Brazil to Lisbon and her service went downhill, given she would be earning more in Lisbon! I can tell you that Lisbon trumps other European Cities such as London and Amsterdam, in my opinion.

Obviously, even well reviewed girls may not deliver or may not turn out to be what you wanted.

Massage can indeed be very frustrating when there is no kissing and even touching is restricted. I actually popped in to Tantric Moments last year, and I had 3 or 4 ladies introduce themselves, but just didn't get a good feel. And the 180 price also put me off (bearing in mind full service at your hotel can be had for 150). I did get a very good sensual massage at Genuine Tantric (but no kissing and limited touching).

[Harry1217]

There are so many well reviewed girls on the tens of pages here that it is a bit harsh to advise people to stay away from Lisbon.

One thing that is indisputable is that Lisbon, like many other cities around the world, has been on a slow decline for many years. By all accounts, the best times were actually when the internet was in its infancy. But there are still good experiences to be had, if you follow the recommendations in this forum.

It's also not fair to compare to a South American country like Brazil, which is a few thousand miles away and has all manner of other considerations. But i agree it would be strange if you plonked a girl from Brazil to Lisbon and her service went downhill, given she would be earning more in Lisbon! I can tell you that Lisbon trumps other European Cities such as London and Amsterdam, in my opinion.

Obviously, even well reviewed girls may not deliver or may not turn out to be what you wanted.

Massage can indeed be very frustrating when there is no kissing and even touching is restricted. I actually popped in to Tantric Moments last year, and I had 3 or 4 ladies introduce themselves, but just didn't get a good feel. And the 180 price also put me off (bearing in mind full service at your hotel can be had for 150). I did get a very good sensual massage at Genuine Tantric (but no kissing and limited touching).

Hi guys,

As usual I report from another city around the world. See my other reports, from Kiev to Rio via Bogota and more.

Lisbon, is a city to avoid. 90% bad experiences for me, maybe a few mediocre. I had one good experience with Caroline Belmont but she stopped working unfortunately.

Went to a massage called Tantric Moments: https://www.tantricmoments.pt/en/ - got in with a smiling Brazilian with huge fake boobs. Got a very low quality massage with handjob at the end. No pussy touching. No kissing. 180 euro for one hour. Waste of money. I tried to check what is happening in other massage parlours. Got in, usually only two girls on the shift, not something thrilling, so I decided to pass and go back to the hotel.

I tried to book some girls from apartadox, most of them wanted 150 euro per hour, but since my hotel was in Cascais they wanted extra 30 euro to get here. I said I will book the Uber, but no, they wanted me to charge up their phone or pass the money upfront through a different shadey way. Now this for me is a very RED flag so I decided not to book any of them. Eventually I found a girl that was chatty on the phone and agreed for me to call her an Uber.

So I booked the girl called Ariana Pilar https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ana-pilar-6673 and it was a disappointment:

1. The good things: She arrived on time. She charged 150 euro for hour. She is not ugly but not good looking either.

2. Bad things: She is not the girl from the photos. She have darker skin. Dirty colour blonde hair.

3. She was very boring in bed. Not terrible just again, boring.

4. We took a shower, had vanilla quiet sex and she left.

I sometimes pay 800 euros for an hour for BDSM girls in Berlin. I can pay a lot. I can pay a bit (in Colombia) but I expect value per money. This was not it. Even the Brazilian girls which in Brazil are so much fun transform to be boring in Lisbon. Go figures.

I have yet to find something worth it in Lisbon. Stay away.

Aviv.

[IsaBahn]

Hi guys,

As usual I report from another city around the world. See my other reports, from Kiev to Rio via Bogota and more.

Lisbon, is a city to avoid. 90% bad experiences for me, maybe a few mediocre. I had one good experience with Caroline Belmont but she stopped working unfortunately.

Went to a massage called Tantric Moments: https://www.tantricmoments.pt/en/ - got in with a smiling Brazilian with huge fake boobs. Got a very low quality massage with handjob at the end. No pussy touching. No kissing. 180 euro for one hour. Waste of money. I tried to check what is happening in other massage parlours. Got in, usually only two girls on the shift, not something thrilling, so I decided to pass and go back to the hotel.

I tried to book some girls from apartadox, most of them wanted 150 euro per hour, but since my hotel was in Cascais they wanted extra 30 euro to get here. I said I will book the Uber, but no, they wanted me to charge up their phone or pass the money upfront through a different shadey way. Now this for me is a very RED flag so I decided not to book any of them. Eventually I found a girl that was chatty on the phone and agreed for me to call her an Uber.

So I booked the girl called Ariana Pilar https://www.apartadox.com/acompanhan...ana-pilar-6673 and it was a disappointment:

1. The good things: She arrived on time. She charged 150 euro for hour. She is not ugly but not good looking either.

2. Bad things: She is not the girl from the photos. She have darker skin. Dirty colour blonde hair.

3. She was very boring in bed. Not terrible just again, boring.

4. We took a shower, had vanilla quiet sex and she left.

I sometimes pay 800 euros for an hour for BDSM girls in Berlin. I can pay a lot. I can pay a bit (in Colombia) but I expect value per money. This was not it. Even the Brazilian girls which in Brazil are so much fun transform to be boring in Lisbon. Go figures.

I have yet to find something worth it in Lisbon. Stay away.

Aviv.

[Harry1217]

A couple of reports from a very short trip. Both outcall to my hotel and booked via EP.

Joana Montenegro.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/

She is well reviewed across many different boards, and I concur with recent reports saying she still looks good! The EP pictures do give a good representation of her, perhaps not as photoshopped as other girls (EP overall isn't as bad as sites like PortalPrivado which have excessive photoshopping). She's around 30, tall for a girl, and has a lovely body resembling the pictures.

The best way to describe her service is she will give you a PSE, and cater for fetishes, if that's what you want, without Anal (which she politely said she didn't enjoy).

Gave a great BBBJ with a CIM at the end, kissed as much as I wanted, and she loves energetic and high-speed intercourse. It felt like a rigorous workout by the end! Open to every position under the sun, and loves intense doggy. On 1 hour appointments, I struggle to get hard again after I pop, so I had to manage her enthusiasm.

Just a lovely lady with so signs of burn-out despite having been going for a few years. Speaks good English which does help. Stayed just over an hour with no clock watching. Definitely one of my best experiences.

Ana Lucia.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/ana-lucia/

I don't think there are any reports about this lady, surprisingly, so I've taken one for the team here. I say surprisingly because she has a bit of a unique look and I would have thought she would appeal to many. Having said that, I personally prefer fuller and more curvy figures! But I certainly found Ana attractive; when she arrived at my hotel in jeans I was happy with what I saw - tall and youthful with long dark hair in a ponytail (I'm sure the hair was a wig but it was hard to tell).

I was equally happy once she undressed in the room. I would actually say she looks better than in the EP pictures but they do give a good representation.

Ana is actually 30 next year, rather than the 22 stated on EP. However, she could pass for 22-24 as she has a youthful looking face with not an ounce of fat on her body and the breasts of an 18 year old (just like the pictures).

Her personality is the opposite of someone like Joana. Ana is quiet and whilst she speaks English, it is limited (had to use google translate a lot). She also comes across as a bit inexperienced despite her relatively mature age and having been doing this for over 18 months. Luckily no burn-out syndrome as such. Inexperience is fine however, providing the girl is willing to take direction and show some enthusiasm, which Ana did.

She is health / hygiene conscious and is a bit reluctant with certain things -kissing was not always full on DFK, and she initially denied FIV (but eventually accepted it with enthusiasm). The OWO was also not the best I have had (a bit lacking in pressure). That was despite me feeling a genuine connection with her during the meet and her actually telling me that she liked me! She's training to be a dentist, and the health side of that showed if you get my drift!

She was happy with everything I requested (open to all positions and she's flexible) & does actually provide a CIM finish. She brought some toys along with her and we had a bit of fun with those. Even played a bit of role-play. I really enjoyed going down on her and must have spent around 20 minutes of the booking doing that. Didn't ask about anal but I don't think she provides it.

Stayed the full hour and she didn't ask for the money until the end - I had left it on a table nearby. That for me is always a good sign.

I only saw Ana because other ladies were not available (I had booked the short trip late and didn't have much time to schedule). Ana was far down on my list, and although I enjoyed the meet, I'm not sure if I would see her again as there are so many others I want to see. I would recommend her but with the caveats described above (comes across inexperienced, possibly no anal, some services not full on due to hygiene obsessions).

[ExExpatriate]

Oh yeah, Carlos. I'm not arguing. Just answering the question.

In my own pursuits, I mix EP with incalls, depending on the timing and circumstances.

If you are in Lisbon proper, EP never charges for transport. That only comes up for outlying areas, like Estoril or something. Also, I've never had an outcall in Lisbon, EP or not, start the clock at any time except the time of her arrival. That would be very, very unusual IME.

As a rule, most incall ladies in Lisbon don't even want to do outcalls. They are especially disinterested in doing outcall for strangers. So, the mark-up is steep, they ask for travel fare, etc. The more extras they want, the less they really want to go out for work in the first place.

[Carlos Primeros]

ExExpatriate. You are right concerning EP and predominantly white girls. No disagreement.

With out-call you have to pay also for the transport of the girl and their time comming to you. One hour turns out to be then only 30 minutes. For my part I would not like to have a working girl in my private residence. But this is only a personal matter.

Classificadosx is certainly to be taken not only with one grain of salt. There is a lot of fake going on. Agreed to that as well. Seeing an incall. Girl. If she is opening the door and is a total fake, I simply turn around an leave. Easy as that. It certainly happened to me as well. But after a while you have filtered out a certain number of girls which are ok. That is the advantage of living in a place like Lisboa.

I do not travel anymore extensively as before and I have everything here in front of my door.

Carlos Primeros.

Retired King of Portugal.

[ExExpatriate]

1) Since this board is mostly patronized by visitors, and visitors have a hotel room, that expense is built-in for us. Outcall with EP is cheaper than with other predominantly incall escorts.

2) If you want an under 30 Portuguese girl, rather than Brasilians or Africans, EP is where most of them are.

3) EP used to be pricey. Nowadays, 150/ h is in the same ballpark as the better incall escorts.

4) ClassifcadosX? Ha! I do keep an eye on it, but most of those ads are unverified. Many are easily seen as fake. And most of the verified girls there also have ads placed on photo-verified sites.

I encourage these guys to try incall pretty often, but I understand why they do not. Now you know.

Hi folks,

I am wondering all the time why there is all the time a hype with the EP. Girls. They are expensive and you have quite often a bad service or a bait and switch.