Lisbon

[Oneminuteboy]

Sorry for the multiple posts. A correction on the name White Elephant. It is Elefante Branco. Forgot I had Google Translate on for Portuguese sites, which changed the name.

I got duped and should have known better. Too hungry for sex and the right meat in front of me.

I didn't do research. On this with Elefante Branco like I had done on website outcall / incall. And I'm more upset what this signals towards my bro's than being conned myself. I expected something else when I got there.

I went to Elefante Branco This place had way more girls than men inside. 50 entry fee. Apparently for frequent guest there is no entry fee.

Drink prices are more expensive compared to other places like Body Club. Only difference the ladies aren't pushed to have you buy bottles.

So back to the main reason. After being seated One girl chatted me up. Poor English but wasn't really interested in her. I was holding firm. She asked if her friend could sit. Mistake #1. This girl had a 10/10 body,. I tried to avoid her much as possible during the chat but because her English was better I drifted more towards her.

They chatted in Portuguese and I couldn't understand anything. Mistake #2.

They offered 1 girl 300, or both 200 each. Should have been a warning Mistake #3. I start comparing to Amsterdam prices where thing have gone out of hand and they ask 250-300 an hour for escort excl taxi.

I was delaying, looking to see if there was anything better. But I wasn't chatting with anybody else to gauge the price level.

They told me of a pension close by, 30. I opted for my hotel.

What pushed me over the edge was I had plans with an escort. She bailed on me 20 min before our meeting. So I went with one of the two as I didn't believe in their lesbian chemistry.

Despite the con I had a good fuck. And everything I mentioned was agreed on and executed.

Advice for future bro's.

- Go with somebody who has been here before so you don't pay entry fee. Of that doesn't work, see it as 2 drinks at 25 each.

- Get contact info so you can chat and and meet outside of the venue. Less fees associated with the club.

- Prices to take girls out should be between 100 and 200 depending on the time of the night and the quality of the girl. Even with COVID tax, which is a thing through the escort sites. Gauge it!

- Discuss anything you plan to do with the girl before leaving.

Apologies for this mishap in messing up the market.

For some reason I got a deja vu feeling after she left.

[Oneminuteboy]

Stripclub with an entrance fee of 30 and 1 free drink.

When I arrived there were only 2 groups of 3-4 men. When I left 2 more groups had joined.

Prices as always I floated. Staff guides girls and start talk. Want to order a drink and will take cheapest champagne priced at 90.

Really pushing it. If they see you don't bite they leave friendly.

Every 30-40 min a girl performs on stage.

Lap dances without touch are 50 and with touch 80 in a separate room. And for 100 you get dance on stage.

I took one dance after a talk and few girl drinks.

She said if I took a big bottle (350) she could join me at my hotel for 1 hour. Didn't take the offer as I had 150 max for the girl in mind. (Boy did I get that wrong the next day at White Elephant, see previous post).

She also told me Wednesday and Sunday are busiest days.

And around 4 the connect place called black tie opens op and it becomes a club like White Elephant.

[Oneminuteboy]

I got duped and should have known better. Too hungry for sex and the right meat in front of me.

I didn't do research. On this with Elephant like I had done on website outcall / incall. And I'm more upset what this signals towards my bro's than being conned myself. I expected something else when I got there.

I went to White Elephant. This place had way more girls than men inside. 50 entry fee. Apparently for frequent guest there is no entry fee.

Drink prices are more expensive compared to other places like Body Club. Only difference the ladies aren't pushed to have you buy bottles.

So back to the main reason. After being seated One girl chatted me up. Poor English but wasn't really interested in her. I was holding firm. She asked if her friend could sit. Mistake #1. This girl had a 10/10 body,. I tried to avoid her much as possible during the chat but because her English was better I drifted more towards her.

They chatted in Portuguese and I couldn't understand anything. Mistake #2.

They offered 1 girl 300, or both 200 each. Should have been a warning Mistake #3. I start comparing to Amsterdam prices where thing have gone out of hand and they ask 250-300 an hour for escort excl taxi.

I was delaying, looking to see if there was anything better. But I wasn't chatting with anybody else to gauge the price level.

They told me of a pension close by, 30. I opted for my hotel.

What pushed me over the edge was I had plans with an escort. She bailed on me 20 min before our meeting. So I went with one of the two as I didn't believe in their lesbian chemistry.

Despite the con I had a good fuck. And everything I mentioned was agreed on and executed.

Advice for future bro's.

- Go with somebody who has been here before so you don't pay entry fee. Of that doesn't work, see it as 2 drinks at 25 each.

- Get contact info so you can chat and and meet outside of the venue. Less fees associated with the club.

- Prices to take girls out should be between 100 and 200 depending on the time of the night and the quality of the girl. Even with COVID tax, which is a thing through the escort sites. Gauge it!

- Discuss anything you plan to do with the girl before leaving.

Apologies for this mishap in messing up the market.

For some reason I got a deja vu feeling after she left.

[ExExpatriate]

Veronica is arguably the best lady who has been consistently out in Estoril in recent years. She is Brazilian, a beautiful woman in her late 30's, and unchanged by surgery. Friendly, talkative, speaks good English, a good kisser and a good fuck. I recommend her as the first call for anyone in Cascais or Estoril.

120/ h incall (and, incidentally, has been for a couple of years).

[ExExpatriate]

There is no such thing as "the upper tier". There are still many great courtesans (check my previous posts) that don't ask more than 120 or 100. 150 only on outcalls. That's the "upper tier" that matters. You just have to look for them.

I have a long memory. They cried foul over going from 80 to 100 too. Some of the exact same people are crying about 120 now. It is not mostly about Brazilian gold diggers asking for 200 a pop, although that is a problem.

Furthermore, we basically agree that 120 is a fair price for an incall, and that 200 is too much. On the rest, I agree to disagree.

[Kama Leão]

Those complainers act as if refusing to pay, the best ladies will lower their prices and do. What exactly? Serve more guys per day with less enthusiasm? Idiots.

The point is that many - and I mean MANY - of those that started suddenly charging absurd prices offer a lousy service, much, much worse than it was the standard before. The majority (though not all) are Brazilian gold diggers who como to stay for two or three months on a tourist visa and hope to make the most without offering anything close to good. These are not at all "the best ladies".

You can find some good providers who still work at 100 e / h, but many are now at 120. The upper tier are at 150/ h now. What I advise you to reject is anyone asking 200/ h for an incall. There are women as good or better available at 120 or 150..

There is no such thing as "the upper tier". There are still many great courtesans (check my previous posts) that don't ask more than 120 or 100. 150 only on outcalls. That's the "upper tier" that matters. You just have to look for them.

[ExExpatriate]

When I first began delving into the world of Portuguese courtesans, massagistas, escorts and putas (sometimes, by accident) several years ago, the price for 1 hour com convivo was moving up from 80 to 100 e. The upper tier providers moved up to 120 e per hour.

Now it is moving up again. This is only natural: these ladies are working and costs go up. On the local board, they do nothing but gripe about it, but I don't think it is unfair to see a mild rise in pricing after several years.

The median monthly income. In Portugal has risen by some 300 euros in that time, and even more in Lisbon. Those complainers act as if refusing to pay, the best ladies will lower their prices and do. What exactly? Serve more guys per day with less enthusiasm? Idiots.

You can find some good providers who still work at 100 e / h, but many are now at 120. The upper tier are at 150/ h now. What I advise you to reject is anyone asking 200/ h for an incall. There are women as good or better available at 120 or 150.

These are incall rates. Outcall is always a notch higher. EP is outcall only and at 150 for the time being.

[ExExpatriate]

She is back: https://docemassagem.com/massagista/athena/.

Athena is a goddess, as the name implies. I last saw her almost 3 years ago, and at that time she had a style that was sensual, but animalistic.

I have no idea what her terms are now, but if you want a nuru massage with he only, go inquire.

[ExExpatriate]

Seeing as how she was very well-reviewed on the local board, I called on this Estoril-based Brazilian lady. And she is very Brazilian -- tanned, blonde, implants, slender, sharp facial features. Her style too: aggressive and more porn star than GFE; the kisses were huge flounders.

I would agree with the locals on this one, except for what happened at the end. I like longer appointments, and after a great first round, she offered me a massage. I figured, eh, I have time, so why not relax instead of push myself and her for a quick round 2? After the massage, she announced she had to go and we would only do an hour. So she pulled a little trick on me.

Let's call this one neutral, and make it very good indeed if you book her for just half an hour. 150 / h, 80/ half h.

[Oneminuteboy]

Go no further: Luciana Melo https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...Melo-4439.html is one of the very best cortesans in Lisbon. BBBJ, DATY, a delightful GFE, and definitely BIG BREASTED.

Thanks for the recommendation.

[MrMontanelas]

Thanks, but just to be clear regarding the terminology, incall is where a customer goes to see the lady at her location.

I believe that Escort Privada is still outcall only?

You're right.

Escort Privada is outcall only.

Spa is incall, at their own premises.

Thanks for the heads up.

[MrMontanelas]

Can you share some more information about the women here? Are they average looking? Are you able to choose when you arrive? What is the cost for "full service"?

You can just go and ask for a presentation, for a relax massage (that would be a full service).

Girls are generally good looking and liberal, some of them stunning.

Very high end experience.

Prices etc you can call and ask, they depend on timing and type of massage.

[Kama Leão]

This is going to put more pressure on the kettle to find a big breasted queen

Go no further: Luciana Melo https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...Melo-4439.html is one of the very best cortesans in Lisbon. BBBJ, DATY, a delightful GFE, and definitely BIG BREASTED.

[Oneminuteboy]

Hello there,

Are there any recent reports for Adelia?

Going to visit Lisbon in the future and thought I might go for her.

I have plans to visit her next week.

I once tried to set something up with that one. It never happened. She specializes in longer appointments, so setting something up to take advantage of that requires some trouble. She cancelled at the last minute, and she was not nice about it either. It was the nastiest exchange I have ever had, in fact.

Her reviews on the local board are from several years ago -- you would really need to dig to find them now, but they were a very mixed bag. Massage Republic has some glowing write ups, but after my own minor experience I think those are fishy, since that is the only place I see her advertising.

Ok, this is really concerning. Especially after Mongerer88 his post. I'm made a reservation early on to supplement my SB adventure but will probably cancel.

This is going to put more pressure on the kettle to find a big breasted queen

[Mongerer88]

Bianca is definitely chubby and, to my taste, was a disappointment. Mechanic with little involvement. Escort Privada has much better, I guess.

Based on the reviews of Bianca, I think your summary is likely very accurate.

On the subject of much better offerings, this lady, Maria Conceicao, just got another excellent 9 out of 10 review on the local board, confirming the services listed on her page. Attitude and love of sex is very important for an escort, and Maria seems to have those traits even in her early 20's.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/maria-conceicao/