Lisbon

[Mongerer88]

Yes, they are piling on.

They are convinced on the local board that the good review by BeenBob of Debora Dias is a fake review written by Debora and are suggesting to her that she lower her prices.

But we can see from BeenBob's posting history that it is a legitimate review written by him.

I tried to do a post explaining this on the local board, but it didn't get accepted.

This is why scouring multiple review boards and paying attention to the number of posts that a reviewer has is important.

Joana Montenegro continues to get the overall best reviews across all review boards of all the ladies on the EP lineup. She just got a brand new review on the big American review board from a poster who rated her higher than any of the ladies he has seen in the United States. This is what he had to say about Joanna, who has gotten positive reviews on five different review boards.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/joana-montenegro/

"Braces aside, she has a very cute face. We sat down on the bed and discussed what I was into (kissing and dirty talk), and she obliged. I told I had taken a shower only a few hours prior, so she decided another wasn't needed.

We laid on the bed and got into a heavy makeout session with tongue. Maybe the best kisser of a SW I've ever been with. A fantastic BBBJ followed, all the while she kept her eyes periodically focused on me. I probably could've busted in her mouth if she went another 5 minutes. But the bag followed and we moved into mish. She took it the dick with aplomb and was able to convincingly dirty talk in Portuguese and English (both hot). We moved into doggy and then side mish. By looking into eyes and pumping I was able to pop in the bag.

A great convo in English followed the first pop about her Cabo Verde background, interspersed with spooning and a lot of making out. She tried to make me pop a second time with a HJ, but I can't blame her for not making it happen. Would repeat 100%. ".

[ExExpatriate]

It's really just the basics, I think. Start with a "boa tarde" and use the word please.

This is a business transaction, so there is no harm in being direct, but be polite. After a greeting, I always start with the two most relevant questions:

1) What neighborhood their studio is in? (for incall).

2) What are their rates?

One specific point is you don't want to ask for an actual address immediately. Although you need that if you make an appointment,some ladies are shy about just giving it out to everyone who asks. Often, you will be told to appear at a certain block, and only get the real building and apartment number after you are actually there. So, they'll tell you to go to 300 on October 5th Avenue, and only when you get there do they say it's really 327 and come up to Apt 4E or whatever.

I also do this in Portuguese, and almost everyone uses WhatsApp now. If you don't speak Portuguese, just plug simple phrasings into Google Translate.

After those basics, bring up any other points you may have. Then ask about the time.

If you go ahead and make an appointment, you can ask about English at the end.

For example, I really like kissing. And GFE. I ask specifically about it -- even if it's not her thing, I am telling her I expect it that way. At the same time, I reassure her I don't smoke, implying my breath will be nice. What I don't do is rant about how I had better damn we'll get my kisses.

There really isn't a code or anything about making an appointment. Not in Portugal. It's legal, so there is no cause to beat around the Bush. Just think of it as a business transaction with a contractor. Direct and polite gets it done and goes a long way. Rude makes you someone they may or may not tolerate. In person is much the same; she is there to do a job, yes, but it doesn't help her find a way to dig you if you haven't cleaned up. Some of these guys wait in their hotel room in their boxers or turn up at the incall looking like they just came from a construction site (and maybe he did! They aren't trying, if you get me, so it's a good bet she won't try either.

I guess this bit of newbie question. I'm wondering if the senior members on the board here have any tips on how to converse with the ladies in a manner that is both respectful and direct. Are there any unwritten guidelines on how to flirt with the ladies, what to expect when communicating with the ladies, what are some tactics that work and some that don't to increase the probability of having a good time?

I ask because I'm having multiple conversations with a set of ladies but it's super hard to gauge interest or even build on the conversation. At the same time, I read posts about how some members seem to be getting a lot of traction with the ladies even before they get here.

Appreciate all the insight & perspective. If folks feel uncomfortable sharing on the forum, would be awesome if you could PM me.

I'm flying into Lisbon in the second week of January solo. Would love to meet up with any local members and absorb the culture!

[TellYouNot]

I guess this bit of newbie question. I'm wondering if the senior members on the board here have any tips on how to converse with the ladies in a manner that is both respectful and direct. Are there any unwritten guidelines on how to flirt with the ladies, what to expect when communicating with the ladies, what are some tactics that work and some that don't to increase the probability of having a good time?

I ask because — I'm having multiple conversations with a set of ladies but it's super hard to gauge interest or even build on the conversation. At the same time, I read posts about how some members seem to be getting a lot of traction with the ladies even before they get here.

Appreciate all the insight & perspective. If folks feel uncomfortable sharing on the forum, would be awesome if you could PM me.

I'm flying into Lisbon in the second week of January solo. Would love to meet up with any local members and absorb the culture!

[ExExpatriate]

Although every corner of the internet is infested with internet fuckwad theory, the local board has a large minority of *sshats for regulars. They are cheap, spiteful, and don't want foreigners either on their board or bedding "their" escorts. Nor are they particularly respectful of the ladies, which is a real problem when it comes to making public reports; I for one have felt uncomfortable with knowing I'm sending a j*ck*ss who will take out his issues on a lady I like and contribute to her burn out.

That extends to some of the mods, which is why the rules are so unevenly / unfairly enforced there. And I don't participate there because of this latter point.

Emphasis on "large minority. " It's not tiny, but it's far from everybody. The real problem is some of the mods are part of the jerk club.

The attitude towards EP is an example. I understand that if you live in Portugal, getting a hotel room just to have an hour with an escort is an added expense. I lived there myself, and some years ago 150/ he was 50% higher than the going incall rate to boot. But some guys deal with it, some guys bypass it, and some bitterly resent it. Like the girls aren't allowed to choose how they want to do something and owe these punters something.

The reaction to Carolina Belmont/Helena de Melo is a good example. She went independent and knows her value. She charges +20 over EP. Plenty of Portuguese guys seem perfectly happy with that, but there is that cluster of jerks who were already bitching about EP and clutter up the board groaning about it. All that is keeping in mind that the going rate for an incall lady who charges 120/h to do an outcall is 180.

A factor here is that most EP girls and indie outcall girls are part-timers, they don't want to work as much as a full-time or bother with the overhead, and/or prefer catering to tourists. Having heard the stories from my two lovers who were once Portuguese escorts, it's not hard to see why.

[BeenBob]

Thank you for the review. She is a new lady and I am intending to see her myself in the new year if possible.

I actually think the WhatsApp picture makes her look a bit different to the advertisements, but she still looks good.

It is good that she is on EscortPrivada, so there is no extra taxi fare or any of that nonsense.

I actually prefer an outcall to my hotel because it makes for a much better ambience during the session; moreover I tend to stay in nice hotels and the rooms are much more comfortable than the incall rooms. Someone commented earlier that there is no need or reason for us to do outcalls but I definitely prefer them.

They are commenting on the local board that you are a promoter of Debora, and that your review may not be genuine! I think this stems from several recent reviews which appear to be done by people affiliated with the ladies.

Rebeca Diniz has had a stream of good reviews on the local board recently, and if you look at the reviewers' profiles it is highly unlikely that they are not genuine. Nevertheless, the writing style and nature of the comments on some of them are similar. I know there were some negative comments about her which were deleted on the local board, I'm not sure why. I remember a very popular Dutch review board which used to collude with brothel houses in Holland to delete negative comments etc. There was a suggestion a while back that perhaps sites such as EscortPrivada write their own reviews to boost ladies' bookings. I always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism when reading reviews. By the way, I am not doubting the authenticity of Debora's review. I'm just making some general observations!

That sucks if that's what they think. I don't know how not to be other than genuine but I'll let that remain their problem. Had I not enjoyed it I more than likely wouldn't have said anything.

[Mongerer88]

Thank you for the review. She is a new lady and I am intending to see her myself in the new year if possible.

I actually think the WhatsApp picture makes her look a bit different to the advertisements, but she still looks good.

It is good that she is on EscortPrivada, so there is no extra taxi fare or any of that nonsense.

I actually prefer an outcall to my hotel because it makes for a much better ambience during the session; moreover I tend to stay in nice hotels and the rooms are much more comfortable than the incall rooms. Someone commented earlier that there is no need or reason for us to do outcalls but I definitely prefer them.

They are commenting on the local board that you are a promoter of Debora, and that your review may not be genuine! I think this stems from several recent reviews which appear to be done by people affiliated with the ladies.

Rebeca Diniz has had a stream of good reviews on the local board recently, and if you look at the reviewers' profiles it is highly unlikely that they are not genuine. Nevertheless, the writing style and nature of the comments on some of them are similar. I know there were some negative comments about her which were deleted on the local board, I'm not sure why. I remember a very popular Dutch review board which used to collude with brothel houses in Holland to delete negative comments etc. There was a suggestion a while back that perhaps sites such as EscortPrivada write their own reviews to boost ladies' bookings. I always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism when reading reviews. By the way, I am not doubting the authenticity of Debora's review. I'm just making some general observations!

That is a problem with review boards. They can't see that BeenBob is a respected senior member here with experience in Brazil and Portugal. And they probably won't accept a comment noting that, even though it would be beneficial for the readers there.

EP has an upper echelon of ladies with many good reviews, a group of ladies such as Debora and Marcela Moniz with an outstanding review or two that we all hope will continue, a large number of ladies such as Sara Valente who some guys (including me) love and others don't, a ton of unreviewed ladies, and as ExExpatriate noted some consistent under-performers and recent burnouts. The only thing I question on that part of his list is Catarina Rodriguez. She got a lukewarm 6 and a 7 out of 10 on the local board, but good reviews and mentions on other review boards, so I would put her on the YMMV list instead of the Don't See / Possible Burnout list.

In general, the guys on the local board don't like EP. And EP knows that and doesn't live or die based on reviews there. They don't like that EP doesn't offer incalls, without cutting them any slack on the point that if an agency in Portugal offers incall, it starts getting perilously close to possibly violating the laws against pimping, pandering and operating a brothel. Those laws are less of a concern when two or three ladies share a trick pad. Do the same for twenty or thirty ladies who advertise with prices and services on a common website, and who knows what might happen. They are much safer legally being a consortium of independents who each have their own phone number and who only do outcall, with the agency serving as a mechanism to share advertising costs and providing scheduling assistance.

The other related issue is of course price. In addition to needing to a local needing to get a room if he doesn't feel comfortable having her come to his house, the local is paying 20 to 30 euros more per hour than a typical incall independent. And 75 percent or so of the reviews on the local board are for 30 or 45 minute one-cum sessions. So EP costs even more on a per cum basis if the customer climaxes once in the hour, which is the case for many middle-aged and older men who aren't travelers from sex-deprived countries.

And it isn't just EP. They turned like crazy against Carolina Belmont when her rate went even higher than EP's, she announced she was outcall only, and her minimum session length is one hour, with a preference for longer sessions including dinner.

This kind of shit is why we lose so much sex work talent to the Sugar Baby system by the way. Which would a cute little 18 year old prefer? Fuck three or four guys a day with half-hour incall sessions for 60-80 euros each, or be treated like a Queen, or at least like someone who is appreciated and respected? Is it any wonder that almost every lady reviewed favorably on the local board is 30-45 years old?

Rebeca Diniz is a bit of an exception. I have Whatsapped her and plan to see her on the next trip, which unfortunately won't be for a while. She clearly has an I Want to Please attitude in her responses. I just hope she doesn't get burned out, because I am not overly impressed with the conservation and long-term thinking of the guys on the local board.

[ExExpatriate]

So long as I'm here, I think it's a useful service to review EP girls who are known to be bad actors or are suspect.

Vera Guerra -- she's a hot young thing, but a complainer and a time waster.

Mafalda Melo -- she is suspected to be Nicole Forte / Monica Melo, who is gross and probably a drug addict.

Vanessa Figueriredo -- this profile dates from six or seven years ago, and neither the age or the photos are updated.

Catarina Rodriguez, Barbara Gouveia, Julia Nobrega -- recent reports on these ladies suggest a strong chance they are burned out, but still working.

[ExExpatriate]

I hear you about incall vs. Outcall. EP is reasonably priced right now, and if you already have the hotel room, it makes sense to take advantage of it. Whether I go incall or outcall depends on a handful of variables. The one thing that doesn't make sense is paying a primarily incall escort to do outcall, because it costs so much more than either EP or her incall business.

That some ladies create fake profiles to do fake reviews of themselves and / or their roommates is a much commented upon practice on the local board. These are usually easy to spot, because the fake profile has only 1-3 very positive reviews and few or no other posts to its name, and these are things you can see next to the post.

Suspicion on this score is so much the case that a newbie posting an upbeat review is invariably accused of being a fake profile.

Still, it's a relatively minor problem on the local board (and here, for that matter). It's surprising the escorts don't resort to the trick more often or adopt a more sophisticated and systematic approach. One would think the ladies with crap reputations would be very motivated to whitewash themselves a little.

[Harry1217]

Thank you for the review. She is a new lady and I am intending to see her myself in the new year if possible.

I actually think the WhatsApp picture makes her look a bit different to the advertisements, but she still looks good.

It is good that she is on EscortPrivada, so there is no extra taxi fare or any of that nonsense.

I actually prefer an outcall to my hotel because it makes for a much better ambience during the session; moreover I tend to stay in nice hotels and the rooms are much more comfortable than the incall rooms. Someone commented earlier that there is no need or reason for us to do outcalls but I definitely prefer them.

They are commenting on the local board that you are a promoter of Debora, and that your review may not be genuine! I think this stems from several recent reviews which appear to be done by people affiliated with the ladies.

Rebeca Diniz has had a stream of good reviews on the local board recently, and if you look at the reviewers' profiles it is highly unlikely that they are not genuine. Nevertheless, the writing style and nature of the comments on some of them are similar. I know there were some negative comments about her which were deleted on the local board, I'm not sure why. I remember a very popular Dutch review board which used to collude with brothel houses in Holland to delete negative comments etc. There was a suggestion a while back that perhaps sites such as EscortPrivada write their own reviews to boost ladies' bookings. I always maintain a healthy dose of skepticism when reading reviews. By the way, I am not doubting the authenticity of Debora's review. I'm just making some general observations!

I finally got a chance to get with Debora Dias so since my TD on the other board didn't publish, I'll drop the skinny here:

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...bora-Dias-7343

Debora looks exactly how she does in the fotos (except for her hairstyle) and has a killer body. Matter of fact her WhatsApp picture looks exactly how she looks right now.

She's a 21 yr old Cape Verdian and fucks with energy and passion (like a young Brasilera). A nice firm tight ass and very round just how I like them. Some people prefer the tear drop and some like them where you can stick your cup on it and watch it walk away. She smells good, does oral without condom, no rushing, no complaining and does her job with passion and conviction. Her rate is $150/ HR, A-Level service if you ask but will run you an extra $50. Oral is good, she rides good (traditional and reverse cowgirl). Doggy is her favorite position, prefers it lying face down flat and be given long strokes.

Overall, I want to give her a 9 but I will settle for an 8. 5 because 9 is too close to perfection. The only negative is she only does outcall (if you consider that a negative). So if you that is not your thing and you prefer to go to the girl then she's not doing incalls at least at the moment. She also asked me to send her a photo of my key with my hotel information before she could confirm the appointment. Never had that request before and I thought that was sketchy but I could understand if she has had experience with some flaky guys out there and she just wanted to ensure she wasn't wasting her time.

I've had Bia Santos and I'd rate those two very high. I would most definitely repeat.

[BeenBob]

I finally got a chance to get with Debora Dias so since my TD on the other board didn't publish, I'll drop the skinny here:

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...bora-Dias-7343

Debora looks exactly how she does in the fotos (except for her hairstyle) and has a killer body. Matter of fact her WhatsApp picture looks exactly how she looks right now.

She's a 21 yr old Cape Verdian and fucks with energy and passion (like a young Brasilera). A nice firm tight ass and very round just how I like them. Some people prefer the tear drop and some like them where you can stick your cup on it and watch it walk away. She smells good, does oral without condom, no rushing, no complaining and does her job with passion and conviction. Her rate is $150/ HR, A-Level service if you ask but will run you an extra $50. Oral is good, she rides good (traditional and reverse cowgirl). Doggy is her favorite position, prefers it lying face down flat and be given long strokes.

Overall, I want to give her a 9 but I will settle for an 8. 5 because 9 is too close to perfection. The only negative is she only does outcall (if you consider that a negative). So if you that is not your thing and you prefer to go to the girl then she's not doing incalls at least at the moment. She also asked me to send her a photo of my key with my hotel information before she could confirm the appointment. Never had that request before and I thought that was sketchy but I could understand if she has had experience with some flaky guys out there and she just wanted to ensure she wasn't wasting her time.

I've had Bia Santos and I'd rate those two very high. I would most definitely repeat.

[Vamoquivamo]

I did recently a Tantra Massage in this place that another user stated he was curious how it was but reticent because of the whooping 250€ cost.

http://bodyworkportugal.com/

I got to say I am genuinely interested in Tantra in general, so I knew this wasn't one of those "not tantra but rather massage+handjob" places.

However, it was probably the worst Tantra Massage I ever got.

She starts what with a 30 min conversation with the client, to "set expectations and get to know each other". After the shower, the massage starts with some really weird rituals. Heavy breathing, screaming, hitting on drums, hugging.

After about one hour the "massage" part starts. It's not even light touches. It's a regular massage. This goes on for about one more hour.

After more than two hours of weird rituals and uninteresting massage, she starts with the lingam. She barely touches the penis, the lingam lasts 10 min and then she finishes with another weird ritual (covering you with a blanket and singing for you). No, I didn't cum.

Please, don't waste your money. Even to those that are into weird things, you will be disappointed. I left about 4 hours after and extremely frustrated. The most comical part of it all. She's increasing her prices to 300€ starting January. So there is obviously a market for this.

[Lemonjack]

It's not that she's "too quiet". I'd rather have a "quiet" girl than someone overacting thunderous, loud, fake "orgasms". It's that she doesn't seem interested at all. She goes through the motions as if she was reviewing her laundry list. Exactly the opposite of someone like, say, Gabriela Sanchez: https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...a-Sanchez-4468.

Her English is almost nil so don't expect a stimulating conversation. But I didn't find her disinterested at all. Infact she seemed to be enjoying it as much as I was. I guess I must've warmed her up well somehow.

The way she was grinding and thrusting herself, I could tell she was liking it and eventually when I finished inside her she just made me stay inside her for a few seconds while she squeezed me tight with her thighs. Man, that was one hell of a turn on.

[Kama Leão]

Tati Bernard gets mostly all great reviews with the occasional complaint that she was too quiet to suit the reviewer.

It's not that she's "too quiet". I'd rather have a "quiet" girl than someone overacting thunderous, loud, fake "orgasms". It's that she doesn't seem interested at all. She goes through the motions as if she was reviewing her laundry list. Exactly the opposite of someone like, say, Gabriela Sanchez: https://www.apartadox.com/en/luxury-...a-Sanchez-4468.

[Mongerer88]

Got to try these 2 ladies and I must say, I wasn't disappointed at all.

Unrushed service, hot sex and cool vibes.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...a-Sanchez-2320

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...-Bernardi-3753

Cool. Thank you very much for the feedback.

Eva is of course very well reviewed.

Tati Bernard gets mostly all great reviews with the occasional complaint that she was too quiet to suit the reviewer.

Personally, I like quiet girls.

But can you let us know Tati's level of English fluency?

And to keep everyone updated, Rebeca Diniz just keeps getting new 9's and 10's out of 10 reviews every week from experienced reviewers on the local board.

Lisbon just has so many great ladies to see.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...eca-Diniz-6364

[Lemonjack]

Got to try these 2 ladies and I must say, I wasn't disappointed at all.

Unrushed service, hot sex and cool vibes.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...a-Sanchez-2320

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...-Bernardi-3753