Lisbon

[Mongerer88]

I'm not familiar with the model to which you refer.

Caparica and the area immediately south of the river is considered the larger Lisbon Metro area, in much the same way as Sintra and Cascais are.

Careful, dude. That is like asking a fitness enthusiast about CrossFit. If the person is into CrossFit, they will talk about it forever.

In the Beginning, Germany had legal nudist facilities. They were called FKKs. They were big facilities.

When Germany legalized, and (then) very lightly regulated prostitution, the sex work industry decided to essentially take over the nudist facilities and have sex offered in them.

The women walk around naked. A few are not fully naked. The guys mercifully are not fully naked but wear a towel or robe.

The sex workers are generally Romanian or Eastern European. They usually travel to the FKKs and work shifts lasting a few weeks. They generally live at the facility, with sleeping quarters in buildings adjacent to where customers meet them and have sex with them in rooms at the FKKs.

An admission charge is levied upon the customer, which includes the use of the facilities that have nice eating, relaxation, gym, pool, and sauna areas. Of course, a charge is made for each sex act. The customer gets to observe the goods and interact with the lady prior to sex. Of course that is valuable to the customer. Hell, I went to a Vegas Gentlemen's Club recently with a fantastic ISG member who really knew the place. Met a wonderful girl named Austin who I got a dance from. And a complete ***** who threw the dollar I tipped her back at me, after I said I didn't want a dance and she demanded a tip for just coming over unsolicited. I had to go find Austin to get another dance to get the bad experience out of my mind. The FKKs keep a customer from getting stuck with a *****. That is the importance of reviews in Portugal. You have graciously let us know which EP ladies to avoid.

The FKKs extraordinarily efficient. A customer can fuck many different girls, and each girl can be compensated for many sex acts each day. Sam Walton of WalMart would not have needed much oral sex to get an erection at an FKK. Just observing the size of the place, the wide offerings, and the efficiencies would have sufficed.

The concept would not be legal in Portugal, and it would also be of no interest to the local Portuguese women. The Brazilians might be a different story, since the termas and clinicas of Brazil operate on a somewhat similar model. I asked one EP provider who was considering an internship in Germany if she would work at an FKK, and she rolled her eyes and said that wouldn't exactly be her preferred work environment.

I am glad the FKK enthusiasts like it. However, if you study the ammunition the abolitionists and the Nordic Model advocates use in their arguments, the German FKKs are front and center. During Canada's prostitution decriminalization legislative debates, the German FKKs were used in the argument against decriminalization. So I have mixed feelings about them in that respect. Portugal manages to have decriminalized commercial sex without much of anyone even knowing about it. A strong argument can be made that Portugal's system is more sustainable.

After France went full (and enforced) Nordic Model, people started really noticing the flow of traffic (which always existed) to a club on the France / Spain border, and the place started being referred to as the brothel of France. Probably not coincidentally, we now have to deal with potential law changes in Spain.

I think this activity is more sustainable if it is out of the public eye. That is impossible with FKKs and Clubs.

[Mongerer88]

Marcela Moniz received very favorable comments regarding her rimming skills in a review by a trusted United Kingdom reviewer. She wears a really cute blue butt plug in her ad, which would seem to indicate that she is not reluctant about the anus. She also enthusiastically accepted a hand spanking, according to the review. If you don't mind the alternative haircut, she seems like a good choice.

https://escortprivada.com/escort/marcela-moniz/

Thank you for the reply but I think the Barcelona comment was a little uncalled for. From what I can recall, nobody on there made any recommendations that were particularly intended for me and my complaints were about the Barca private houses, never about anyone on the forum or the advice they gave.

It's not that EP is "too expensive," it's just more expensive than I'd normally pay. I probably have the spare cash for two or three massages and two or three full services (assuming I'm paying EP rates.) Given those limitations, I want to be as sure as I can be that they're all good experiences.

Thanks for the list. I'll look through it this evening.

I'm not on a budget to the extent that I'd forgo getting my type in order to save money. As I said above, it's more a case of being limited to the number of encounters I can stretch to during my three weeks.

I can fully understand why girls would not want to show their faces. It just makes it difficult to choose someone when you only have pictures of their bodies..

[ExExpatriate]

Over a week and NOT ONE reply to these questions answered politely? I know I could RTFF but I doubt it is covered. But it's ok, I will find out for myself. Seems like the Lisbon forum is very 'clicky'.

I'm not familiar with the model to which you refer.

Caparica and the area immediately south of the river is considered the larger Lisbon Metro area, in much the same way as Sintra and Cascais are.

[ExExpatriate]

Yes, whenever nationality is specified, that is very reliable. I've never even heard of, let alone encountered, an example of someone fibbing on that.

The going rate on full service incall right now is 120 to 150/ h, with a nuru massage w / HJ running 20 euros behind that. Half hour rates are 70 or 80, but some ladies don't do half hours and EP girls never do. EP is 150/ h, and I wouldn't bother asking for outcall with a lady who does incall. Some independent ladies also do outcall only, and they are asking 150+. There are a small and shrinking number of providers charging 100 behind that.

Given that the roster is a three digit number, if you want specific recommendations you should either flip through the thread or narrow it down by area or giving examples of who you are looking at.

Sorry, can't help you with rimming. The ladies I know who were good at that retired or left Lisbon.

[Mongerer88]

Hi FalconStar,

You can try White Elephant (Elefante Branco), lots of working girls of different varieties hang out there, and you can chat with them, negotiate, and take to your hotel. Please note, that entrance ticket there is 50 EUR (and you get two drinks), when you take the girl to hotel you usually have to pay for her drink too. I just give 25 EUR to the barmen (without the drink), and he seemed to be OK with it.

Abox79,

There are no brothels. Strictly speaking, they are illegal. They were once tolerated, but the government formally shut down Michelle's, and the others informally disappeared over the succeeding years.

Many of the independents share a trick pad, and they sometimes hang out at the trick pad between sessions. Some have relationships with taxi drivers. So sometimes you will read a report, especially in the Porto section, of a taxi driver taking a customer to some "brothel." That is usually a trick pad, and he calls ahead to make sure there are enough ladies (like two or three) hanging out there to do a line-up. That is likely the only time they do a line-up.

Usually they don't charge more in this situation, leaving one to wonder how the cab driver is compensated. If you get to talking to a male Vegas taxi driver about sex, he will often mention taking you to a full-service massage parlor that he likes. I suspect he has a little punch card. Bring 5 customers and he gets a free session or something like that.

There is nothing like German FKKs. Not only would that be illegal under the pimping and pandering rules (just like formal brothels are), it simply isn't part of the culture. There are not Romanians in Lisbon who arrived by car with the intention of living at a big facility where they have sex with customers.

The closest thing that Lisbon has is Elephant Branco, a supper club where you mingle with women, eat, drink, and bring one back to your hotel. That process is significantly more expensive than booking an escort. And a not insignificant number of the Elephant Branco reports indicate that the customer received a CBJ as part of the sexual experience after paying a lot to bring her back to the hotel.

We are the least cliquish group on ISG. I just took the time to list like 18 recommended independents. I am not sure I listed Ella Rocha since she doesn't have a current ad, but will likely return soon.

https://www.apartadox.com/inact.php?id=4428

There are 22 Escort Privada ladies with an overall Recommended stamp, including an Upper Echelon of four or five who most everyone has a great time with. I can list them if you want.

That makes over 40 ladies to communicate with and choose from. Most of that 40 or so ladies are in their 30's in ages. But there is a solid representation of ladies in their 20's. All of the recommended ladies do BBBJ to the best of my knowledge. Plenty of those 40 or so ladies do anal sex. BDSM is not a huge part of the scene, but within those 40 or so providers, you will find submissive, switches and doms. A representation of mostly local Portuguese, but lots of Brazilians and some African heritage like Joana Montenegro of EP, who gets nothing but excellent reviews and would be a solid choice. Boobs and butts of all sizes on the list.

This is how the world works now outside of Germany and Brazil. You make choices based on limited pictures and interaction, so reviews are important. A lot of people don't like it, but none of us know what to say other than go to Germany or Brazil, then. Women in the Western World generally don't go to a central facility, wait for customers, and fuck them there.

[Pyrrhus]

If you think EP is too expensive, then they probably are, and you will come back and complain like you did about the options everyone took the time and effort to give you in the Barcelona thread. Iberia is different than Budapest.

Lisbon does not have a central meeting place for inexpensive incall escorts. Its clubs are more expensive than its incall and outcall escorts.

Here is a list of incall escorts with excellent reviews who will likely offer you 30 and 45 minute options that are less expensive than outcall from Escort Privada. You will send them messages using WhatsApp in Portuguese. You can use Google Translate to go to and from your native tongue to Portuguese. Uber is active in Lisbon and you can use it to get to each lady's incall. That is how it works in Portugal for incall escorts. A few will be able to read and write English, but start by sending your message in both translated Portuguese and English to find out.

Thank you for the reply but I think the Barcelona comment was a little uncalled for. From what I can recall, nobody on there made any recommendations that were particularly intended for me and my complaints were about the Barca private houses, never about anyone on the forum or the advice they gave.

It's not that EP is "too expensive," it's just more expensive than I'd normally pay. I probably have the spare cash for two or three massages and two or three full services (assuming I'm paying EP rates.) Given those limitations, I want to be as sure as I can be that they're all good experiences.

Thanks for the list. I'll look through it this evening.

For recommendations on specific ladies, I suggest either reviewing this forum back to the summer, asking about who you are interested in by name or both. I myself covered four ladies just recently, others have made solid contributions, and some of us are aware of the wider chatter generally. You mentioned being on a budget -- you could ask about the known options for 100 and 120 an hour if that mattered more to you than getting your type.

EP is outcall only. The girls go to hotels, Air BnBs and private homes, and they only charge for transportation if the location is outside Lisbon proper.

The thing about EP and the photo-verified sites is the girl you get us the one advertising. There is no bait and switch. The only unreliability is that sometimes the photos are a few years old. On EP, for example, Alexandra Mendes, Sara Valente and Carolina the'Almeida haven't done a new photoshoot since before the pandemic. But from what I've heard, the pics are still very accurate for Valente and Mendes.

If a girl isn't showing her face, it's because she wants to retain discretion about her identity and profession. Most massagistas don't care, because they aren't prostitutes; many Brazilians don't care because they aren't staying in Portugal. But a lot of others care very much about their work following them home. So, I doubt they will send you a head shot if you ask for one. They made a choice and are likely to stick with it.

Cascais and Estoril are beach suburbs of Lisbon, so they are often lumped in with Lisbon as a whole because guys will go out to or find themselves in the burbs. About half of those ladies in Cascais are a short walk from a Linha de Cascais rail station.

You should also look at docemassgem, somassagens and Momentosdeprazer

I'm not on a budget to the extent that I'd forgo getting my type in order to save money. As I said above, it's more a case of being limited to the number of encounters I can stretch to during my three weeks.

I can fully understand why girls would not want to show their faces. It just makes it difficult to choose someone when you only have pictures of their bodies.

Are the girls usually honest about their nationality? I'd much prefer to have local Portuguese girls than Brazilians. I've nothing against Brazilians but I'd rather have girls who are local to the country I am in and it's much harder to tell when you can't see their faces. I visited Brazil just before the pandemic and had my fair share of Brazilian ladies already.

Also, many of the girls on EP appear to offer rimming for an additional 30. Can anyone recommend a girl who is actually good at it? Most of my paid-for rimming experiences have lacked enthusiasm.

[Abox79]

Hey, I'm a regular contributor to the FKK / Globe / UK / Czech forums but now starting to look further afield to satisfy my sexual cravings. I would appreciate a little knowledge / info / advise on Lisbon if possible please? Is Lisbon only the built up area on the Northside of the Targus or is the built up area on the south connected by two bridges on route A2/ A12 classed as Lisbon as well? Which side is the best to visit in terms of accessibility to girls? Is the availability of girls solely through agencies / independents or are there brothels as well, anything on the FKKK model? Thanks in anticipation.

Over a week and NOT ONE reply to these questions answered politely? I know I could RTFF but I doubt it is covered. But it's ok, I will find out for myself. Seems like the Lisbon forum is very 'clicky'.

[FunMan13]

ExEx,

Sorry for the blackout. My hotel in Madrid blocked ISG. Ella Secret is out of town, I think she said Italy.

Made contact with Bia Santos for this afternoon. Will report.

Funman13.

[ExExpatriate]

For recommendations on specific ladies, I suggest either reviewing this forum back to the summer, asking about who you are interested in by name or both. I myself covered four ladies just recently, others have made solid contributions, and some of us are aware of the wider chatter generally. You mentioned being on a budget -- you could ask about the known options for 100 and 120 an hour if that mattered more to you than getting your type.

EP is outcall only. The girls go to hotels, Air BnBs and private homes, and they only charge for transportation if the location is outside Lisbon proper.

The thing about EP and the photo-verified sites is the girl you get us the one advertising. There is no bait and switch. The only unreliability is that sometimes the photos are a few years old. On EP, for example, Alexandra Mendes, Sara Valente and Carolina the'Almeida haven't done a new photoshoot since before the pandemic. But from what I've heard, the pics are still very accurate for Valente and Mendes.

If a girl isn't showing her face, it's because she wants to retain discretion about her identity and profession. Most massagistas don't care, because they aren't prostitutes; many Brazilians don't care because they aren't staying in Portugal. But a lot of others care very much about their work following them home. So, I doubt they will send you a head shot if you ask for one. They made a choice and are likely to stick with it.

Cascais and Estoril are beach suburbs of Lisbon, so they are often lumped in with Lisbon as a whole because guys will go out to or find themselves in the burbs. About half of those ladies in Cascais are a short walk from a Linha de Cascais rail station.

You should also look at docemassgem, somassagens and Momentosdeprazer

I'm in Lisbon for the next three weeks. I'm not
exactly flush with cash at the moment so I'm hoping I manage to spend wisely.

I love a good erotic massage and I've already seen a few girls I like the look of in that department.

I'm having more difficulty with finding girls I want to have full service with. There's a girl on EP that I quite like the look of. But am I correct in thinking the EP girls are outcall only? If so, do they only go to hotels. Or will they also come to an apartment? Do their advertised rates include their travel, or is that going to cost me extra? 150 is already more than I'd usually pay (I only ever usually do incall) so I can't really justify paying more than that when I'm kinda broke.

My main concern with outcall is that most of the EP girls don't even show their faces in the profile. I'd hate to book someone and then be faced with a girl I didn't find particularly attractive. Do any of the girls send pictures of their face via WhatsApp? The only time I have previously done outcall (in Budapest,) a completely different girl showed up. So that's always a concern as well.

Are there any sites for incall girls? I'm aware of apartadox and portalprivado. A few of the girls on the Lisbon page of portalprivado, come up as being from Cascais when you click on their profile. How does that work?

Sorry for all the questions.

[Mongerer88]

I'm in Lisbon for the next three weeks. I'm not exactly flush with cash at the moment so I'm hoping I manage to spend wisely.

I love a good erotic massage and I've already seen a few girls I like the look of in that department.

I'm having more difficulty with finding girls I want to have full service with. There's a girl on EP that I quite like the look of. But am I correct in thinking the EP girls are outcall only? If so, do they only go to hotels. Or will they also come to an apartment? Do their advertised rates include their travel, or is that going to cost me extra? 150 is already more than I'd usually pay (I only ever usually do incall) so I can't really justify paying more than that when I'm kinda broke.

My main concern with outcall is that most of the EP girls don't even show their faces in the profile. I'd hate to book someone and then be faced with a girl I didn't find particularly attractive. Do any of the girls send pictures of their face via WhatsApp? The only time I have previously done outcall (in Budapest,) a completely different girl showed up. So that's always a concern as well.

Are there any sites for incall girls? I'm aware of apartadox and portalprivado. A few of the girls on the Lisbon page of portalprivado, come up as being from Cascais when you click on their profile. How does that work?

Sorry for all the questions.

If you think EP is too expensive, then they probably are, and you will come back and complain like you did about the options everyone took the time and effort to give you in the Barcelona thread. Iberia is different than Budapest.

Lisbon does not have a central meeting place for inexpensive incall escorts. Its clubs are more expensive than its incall and outcall escorts.

Here is a list of incall escorts with excellent reviews who will likely offer you 30 and 45 minute options that are less expensive than outcall from Escort Privada. You will send them messages using WhatsApp in Portuguese. You can use Google Translate to go to and from your native tongue to Portuguese. Uber is active in Lisbon and you can use it to get to each lady's incall. That is how it works in Portugal for incall escorts. A few will be able to read and write English, but start by sending your message in both translated Portuguese and English to find out.

Let's start with one who isn't on many lists because she just returned to Lisbon from working throughout Europe. She comes from a massage background so that might interest you. She does not get that many compliments on her face, but her BBBJTCIM is raved about. Her name is Lara.

https://www.classificadosx.net/pt/an...-c-finalizacao#group=galeria_360966&photo=360966.

This list of independents is not in any particular order. Some of the ladies on prior lists are omitted merely because they do not have a current ad at the moment. Some may not be offering 30 or 45 minute sessions. You just have to ask them. And I no doubt forgot some that others can add. I just happened to pull Ella Secret's ad from the BDSM section, but she does GFE as well.

https://docemassagem.com/massagista/ines-3/

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...a-Sanchez-2320

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...aju-Rossi-6890

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...a-Navarro-3827

https://www.somassagens.com/massagis...sensual-lisboa

https://www.apartadox.com/Bdsm-Ella-Secret-6513

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...Mel-Pires-5408

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...-Bernardi-3753

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...Catia-Bom-6582

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...lia-Viana-4962

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...ia-Santos-5091

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...y-Fontini-1789

https://www.portalprivado.com/acompa...mpanhante=1082

https://www.portalprivado.com/acompa...mpanhante=1390

That is 15 recommended ladies for the 21 days of your trip. Others can add six more if you want to fuck a different independent for 30-45 minute sessions every day of your trip. If a person wanted to do that, Lisbon is one of the most economical places in Europe to do so. It would make a touching Uber commercial, actually.

You can check and see if this one starts running ads during your trip.

https://www.apartadox.com/inact.php?id=4294

And it seems only right to list this expensive independent escort who likely only offers one hour or more sessions in case she is of interest to others.

https://www.apartadox.com/Acompanhan...a-Belmont-6095

[Mongerer88]

Thank you, that clears it up. What is still slightly intriguing is that ladies have the same contact telephone number on both EP and Apartodox. I thought the EP number would be specific to EP.

A different number for each lady is commonly seen in Portugal, and in some situations in Spain.

Prostitution is legal, but pimping and pandering is not.

Each Escort Privada lady is an independent escort who uses Escort Privada to help her with advertising, assist with bookings and communication, and in some situations help with transportation. All of these independent escorts appear to have agreed amongst themselves to charge the same hourly rate, but some have surcharges for different activities that escort offers.

A stronger argument exists that a lady is an independent escort who contracts out these services if she has her own phone number.

The argument may never be needed, and the concept is sometimes simply abandoned. Vecinitas in Barcelona used to have a separate number for each lady, but recently stopped doing that and went with one central number.

It is not really clear than an agency with one or two central phone numbers is doing pimping or pandering. An agency escort is still contracting out services. The customer pays that escort the full fee, and she gives a certain portion to the agency for its services to her, regardless of the phone number situation.

[Pyrrhus]

I'm in Lisbon for the next three weeks. I'm not exactly flush with cash at the moment so I'm hoping I manage to spend wisely.

I love a good erotic massage and I've already seen a few girls I like the look of in that department.

I'm having more difficulty with finding girls I want to have full service with. There's a girl on EP that I quite like the look of. But am I correct in thinking the EP girls are outcall only? If so, do they only go to hotels. Or will they also come to an apartment? Do their advertised rates include their travel, or is that going to cost me extra? 150€ is already more than I'd usually pay (I only ever usually do incall) so I can't really justify paying more than that when I'm kinda broke.

My main concern with outcall is that most of the EP girls don't even show their faces in the profile. I'd hate to book someone and then be faced with a girl I didn't find particularly attractive. Do any of the girls send pictures of their face via WhatsApp? The only time I have previously done outcall (in Budapest,) a completely different girl showed up. So that's always a concern as well.

Are there any sites for incall girls? I'm aware of apartadox and portalprivado. A few of the girls on the Lisbon page of portalprivado, come up as being from Cascais when you click on their profile. How does that work?

Sorry for all the questions.

[Harry1217]

Indeed, it was really the ditching of the bad reputation that I was worried about.

But it's also useful just to have as much information as possible about a lady, so it's great to link all reviews under the different names.

Yes, escorts in general will change names or use more than one working name. Sometimes this is to mislead customers, but sometimes they are just tired of the old name, want to track where the customer came from or are rebranding themselves.

But some really are just trying to ditch their bad reputation. On EP, Barbara Gouveia, Mafalda Melo, Victoria Saravia and Rita Campos are all girls who have worked for EP before under a different name (in Melo's case, this is her third name change), and had a mixed, declining or outright terrible reputation. So, they changed their name to leave the bad reviews behind.

[Harry1217]

Thank you, that clears it up. What is still slightly intriguing is that ladies have the same contact telephone number on both EP and Apartodox. I thought the EP number would be specific to EP.

Sometimes there are name changes, but in this situation it is not. The local board reviews indicated that Sofia said she was leaving and the phone number was being recycled.

I think Ana Lucia got assigned the phone number of Sofia Viana and EP just kept the same link.

[ExExpatriate]

Yes, escorts in general will change names or use more than one working name. Sometimes this is to mislead customers, but sometimes they are just tired of the old name, want to track where the customer came from or are rebranding themselves.

For example, I just saw Aurora Vaz. She started as an EP girl, but went full-time, independent and incall. She changed her name when she did so. Adriana Santos used to be Bianca Pereira, and nobody has really put shade on her. Jennifer PT is also Eva Sanchez, and part of the reason why is she knows how you found her from the name you use.

But some really are just trying to ditch their bad reputation. On EP, Barbara Gouveia, Mafalda Melo, Victoria Saravia and Rita Campos are all girls who have worked for EP before under a different name (in Melo's case, this is her third name change), and had a mixed, declining or outright terrible reputation. So, they changed their name to leave the bad reviews behind.