Moscow

[VinDici]

How is the situation in Moscow in October?

Is it still possible to book outcalls to hotels? I'll be on business I Moscow later this month and would like to book an outcall. I've chosen a hotel that is escort friendly. Are hotels stopping outside visitors due to COVID, or are escorts still being allowed in?

Thanks.

[JohnReter335]

I have noticed that since the beginning of the covid19, escort girls and agency didn't lower their prices on Russian-speaking websites. I have checked and the escort girls of Moscow that I knew in the past started to work as a cam girl because they have much less customers than before. This also mean that you regular new rich client from Kazhakstan or India does not come to Moscow to have fun.

One told me that working as a webcam girl didn't make as much money as working as escort.

Yeah you heard right, as an escort they can earn more than as a cam girl, Because as an escort they can earn 7000 to 10000 in average for 1 hour.

[SanGaetano]

This also mean that you regular new rich client from Kazhakstan or India does not come to Moscow to have fun..

Were these the most common clients in the past? Interesting.

BTW, one friend of mine from Kz (but looks rather Chinese) said that he prefers to play than to pay ha ha. Not a regular monger. Rather into freebies. But for him it's easier to pickup / game as his Russian is perfect, once he told me regarding picking up random girls at the bar / club "San, if when you finish the set all you got was her insta, you lost, she sees you as a 'follower'. If you got her facebook, things are a bit better, there is still small hope, basically she sees you as potential friend. If she agreed to give her Telegram, well this sounds great already, but not perfect. But the trophy would be her number / whatsapp". I answer jokingly "and I thought the trophy would be to get her coming to your place right from there".

Changing the subject. Things seems to be slowly backing to normal. Some hotels are finally reopening, but then this here: http://themoscowtimes.com/2020/06/15...-spread-a70568.

This can be a pain in the neck, but I think thematic motels like the podushkin chain maybe they are more tolerant. A interesting chain, they started small with with just 3 or 4 units in the center, now it seems they have a lot more, even expanding to the Oblast. The prices also increased compared to the past. When Covid came I thought the prices would go down a bit. I was wrong. But I must say that the prices varies according to the location, date and equipment in the room. One airbnb small flat for 1 night can be cheaper than some luxus rooms of the podushkin in a Saturday night. But as I said, everything is relative. Another popular variant among local mongers is to rent a sauna for some hours, I participated in some sauna orgies in the past, but it's not everyone's cup of tea.

[Henri Dufresne]

I have noticed that since the beginning of the covid19, escort girls and agency didn't lower their prices on Russian-speaking websites. I have checked and the escort girls of Moscow that I knew in the past started to work as a cam girl because they have much less customers than before. This also mean that you regular new rich client from Kazhakstan or India does not come to Moscow to have fun.

One told me that working as a webcam girl didn't make as much money as working as escort.

[Henri Dufresne]

I disagree with what was said about the webcam industry. I think it does not steal escorts. The webcam industry exists since a while. I think it is a good thing for English speakers because the vast majority of Russian pros who don't travel don't speak English. When they work as a webcam girl they learn English. Also, the webcam industry does not pay so well because the website and the studio take a commission. A Russian cam girl told me that it is illegal in Russia to work as an independent webcam girl.

They explained to me that when they work as a cam girl, the girls have to stay 4 hours to 8 hours in front of their webcam. Sometimes, they have to wait 45 minutes to one hour before getting a client in their chat room.

Conversely, when they work as an escort, they don't have to wait anything. The job as escort is much pleasant. It is much better to be paid $100 for 1 hour work rather than waiting in front of their webcam to get paid.

I think that the problem right now is more related to the covid19 than anything else. This forced the escorts to prefer working as a webcam girl rather than an escort.

[DramaFree11]

Quick correct, you are. But for girls benefit of cam is, if you're working for some popular site, they pay you quite a generous amount for just talking to very desperate dudes, so they ended up buying premium account for that site. Many guys from different countries I know, are buying premium services for cam sites and when I ask why when there's porn and free cam sites available, their answer is "These premium sites have hot chicks who are very friendly and do lots of thing". Most of these girls are from Russia and eastern Europe. Easy money for them.

Correct, about the dating Scams. I have talked about this a lot on the Kiev Thread and it is a big problem. Yes, there girls can make a nice living, prior to the crisis. I had a friend and ex-girlfriend that managed these sites. They use to be good several years ago, now very bad. Agree, you can spend a lot of money on these sites, but it is pennies compared to when you get into live porn sites. Maybe, they will lower there prices, but old prices, you could have live girls in many destinations. I am not an expert on P. Sites, so I have no idea how much the cost now.

Time will tell what happens, but everyone will either take a cut in pay or even worse lose there job. Russian and Eastern Europe, will be great, once this passes. I am not sure if prices will go down for sex, probably a little, but travel Expenses will go way down.

Kiev will suck as normal, but it might be decent for a few months, while girls hunker down and return from Europe or other destinations that they can get paid way more for there services. As soon as they can save some money, and travel restriction are lifted they will be gone and that will be the end of Ukraine.

[Gargano19]

It will not be issue. Most guys will not have the money for doing Web Cam. The guys that still have money are going to be in demand and will have leverage. Also travel cost will go down, and fees for girls will also go down. It will be a buyers market.

Quick correct, you are. But for girls benefit of cam is, if you're working for some popular site, they pay you quite a generous amount for just talking to very desperate dudes, so they ended up buying premium account for that site. Many guys from different countries I know, are buying premium services for cam sites and when I ask why when there's porn and free cam sites available, their answer is "These premium sites have hot chicks who are very friendly and do lots of thing". Most of these girls are from Russia and eastern Europe. Easy money for them.

[DramaFree11]

I've known girls who started web camming too. Until videos of them started showing up on porn hub. They didn't realize that their cam feed could be captured and saved, LOL. That got them back between the sheets real quick.

It will not be issue. Most guys will not have the money for doing Web Cam. The guys that still have money are going to be in demand and will have leverage. Also travel cost will go down, and fees for girls will also go down. It will be a buyers market.

[BodyAnybody]

I have known several girls that have tried moving to webcam sites. It is extraordinarily competitive. Maybe in the current situation it might work, but all the girls I knew made it back to in-person fairly quickly. Of course, this was 8-10 years ago and times have definitely changed.

I've known girls who started web camming too. Until videos of them started showing up on porn hub. They didn't realize that their cam feed could be captured and saved, LOL. That got them back between the sheets real quick.

[YummyPL]

My friend who is in Moscow, told me already many girls have started doing webcams (apparently there has been a surge in webcam sites) and might not return if they start to earn the same amount.

I have known several girls that have tried moving to webcam sites. It is extraordinarily competitive. Maybe in the current situation it might work, but all the girls I knew made it back to in-person fairly quickly. Of course, this was 8-10 years ago and times have definitely changed.

[SanGaetano]

Oh, well, seems to be plausible. I mean what else should they do isolated in their room / flat? I know a former escort girl who "changed" profession and now teaches English online, and sometimes yoga. She used to be a Instagram freak (well, she called herself a Instagram "Model", like many if not most of the pretty young ladies in town).

I am not really into webcam / virtual sex, I like the real deal, this is just my taste. Like they say here, "Tolko Real".

[Gargano19]

It's difficult to say how the Mongerism will be in a post covid era.

Well, like George said, even before the pandemic, we already saw some signs of stagnation in the sector. For example "Ego Gold" closed by the end of last year. I heard that even some old school swing clubs might be giving up if the lockdown continues. Some other sectors will count with a financial help from the Federal Budget ("official" restaurants, Malls, etc.) if they are lucky, but I don't think that "Adult Venues" will have a penny from the state.

I wrote last week that if the situation deteriorates, the mayor could increase the measures for isolation. And, yes, the situation didn't get better. So starting from tomorrow one must have a pass / permit / QR code that allows him to drive in Moscow, if he wants to drive a car, and I heard that taxi drivers will not be allowed to take a passenger who does not have the pass. The basic Straf is by now 4000 Rub for first offenders. Repeaters could land in jail.

My friend who is in Moscow, told me already many girls have started doing webcams (apparently there has been a surge in webcam sites) and might not return if they start to earn the same amount.

[SanGaetano]

It's difficult to say how the Mongerism will be in a post covid era.

Well, like George said, even before the pandemic, we already saw some signs of stagnation in the sector. For example "Ego Gold" closed by the end of last year. I heard that even some old school swing clubs might be giving up if the lockdown continues. Some other sectors will count with a financial help from the Federal Budget ("official" restaurants, Malls, etc.) if they are lucky, but I don't think that "Adult Venues" will have a penny from the state.

I wrote last week that if the situation deteriorates, the mayor could increase the measures for isolation. And, yes, the situation didn't get better. So starting from tomorrow one must have a pass / permit / QR code that allows him to drive in Moscow, if he wants to drive a car, and I heard that taxi drivers will not be allowed to take a passenger who does not have the pass. The basic Straf is by now 4000 Rub for first offenders. Repeaters could land in jail.

I have a friend who lives in Dubai, he text me "The 2 WGs I ordered for April are not allowed to fly" I said "Yes, habibi, and there is no sign of reopening the airports soon", he said "You lucky MoFo, isolated and locked in a city full of hot babes". I said "Nah, it's samoisolatsya here, habibi, they can't meet anybody, much less meet for sex".

Stay healthy guys!

[George 6969]

Dispute the fact, that Nightflight had only less and less customers over the past years (with the exception of Fifa WC) the official closing is a tragedy.

I don t know, if the closing had been caused by the virus or missing guests. I understand from the wording of the FB announcement, it is not temporary it is final.

It had been a landmark of entertainment for ex pats and foreigners in Moscow for decades. I still remember my first visit in the late 90 ties.

Where every evening was a party and just spectacular. Many, many more evenings to follow, saw ladies come and go and come again. Had the best encounters in my life there.

So much parties and so many new and old friends. It had been a part of my life and a visit to Moscow without at least one visit there, impossible for me.

I had hoped to attend the last party on the 31st, but it had been closed one week before and of course I could not fly due to the virus.

Someone has an idea where DJ Martin will work in the future?

All the best to all my friends there and I hope to see you again in the future.

Maybe the people in Moscow can update us, where the caravan will go next and where to find the majority of the people in the future when the curfew will end.

Until then stay safe and healthy.

[DramaFree11]

You may be confused between higher standards and different standards. You write that you like "curvy" girls. While I appreciate some curves, "curvy" would never be a word I use to describe my preferences. While I have no evidence with pictures, I suspect that I may consider the girls you like as being a little fat which, for me, is worse than being ugly (I like my bodies petite and tight. I like spinners). So clearly your standards are different, as I am sure everyone else's in this forum are. Describing "higher" standards in this very subjective world doesn't make sense.

Well said, I love tight and fit bodies as well, this why I love Moscow, there everywhere.