Moscow

[Henri Dufresne]

Yes all this is true. I would like to add that the Russian men only treat women like princess till the women reach 30. In Russia women is considered old after 30 and the local men just upgrade and get new 'devoshka', also after this age the ladies enter the international dating / scam market wherein some are looking for long term but most are looking to extract revenge for previous failed relationships. My friend lost thousands of dollars to multiple ladies on sites such as pay per letter scam sites, fake meetings based in high end restaurants, money for visa & passport for a meeting that never materializes, green-card girls and so on. Rich Russian guys have single wife but couple of mistresses, few escorts and few sugar babies on rotation in month and this is the model they have suggested me to go forward with if you are in Russia for prolong periods of time.

I want to second you. After 30 years old, former pros join tinder, mamba, a camgirl website or a dating agency. They claim they worked as a makeup artist and travelled the world. They claimed they studied finance, management, medicine. The profile of these Russian scammers is always the same. The goal is to find a nice blue pilled simp who will accept to financially support her. I have also noticed that Rich Russian guys had several mistresses. However, I have never noticed that they behaved like sugar daddies. Those girls are only pros. They accept sex in exchange for money. Once you get out of this scheme, you take the risk of being scams because in Eastern Europe, there are also many fake escorts. These women behave like escorts, they get dressed like escorts but they never have sex. They just want the man to pay. Thus, you must be very straight forward with Russian woman. If you get into chit chat and sentimental relationship you take the risk of being scammed.

[AluHut]

Just FYI. It's either "devushka" (young woman) or "devochka" (literally small girl, but used colloquially for young female lovers, or as affectionate).

[CallSignRomeo]

Cannot reply on his behalf but according to my experience Mamba apps is the right one. It is the one I use in Russia instead of Tinder or else.

The recommendations I can make are:

- Spend time to get to know who writes. There a mix between agencies, independent escort, serious women (looking for husband) and easygoing girls (with support).

The border between escort and girl with support is tiny but clearly exists on Mamba.

- Escort: not a big deal, from 8 K rbls per hour to 50 K, it is a market place where you find what you want.

- Easy-going girl with support: AMOF Russian women like being treated like Princess. They like beautiful places, champagne, good dinner, flowers. If you give this, you will get hot sex in return. But sometimes it is borderline as the same easy going girl will ask 15 K rbl for a dinner with you. She is not an escort but she likes to meet with sugar daddy who will invite AND give her money to buy things. Do not treat her as an escort, or be ready to forget the after dinner part..

Yes all this is true. I would like to add that the Russian men only treat women like princess till the women reach 30. In Russia women is considered old after 30 and the local men just upgrade and get new 'devoshka', also after this age the ladies enter the international dating / scam market wherein some are looking for long term but most are looking to extract revenge for previous failed relationships. My friend lost thousands of dollars to multiple ladies on sites such as pay per letter scam sites, fake meetings based in high end restaurants, money for visa & passport for a meeting that never materializes, green-card girls and so on. Rich Russian guys have single wife but couple of mistresses, few escorts and few sugar babies on rotation in month and this is the model they have suggested me to go forward with if you are in Russia for prolong periods of time.

[AluHut]

Example: a restaurant in Moscow with prostitutes:

https://www.tripadvisor.ru/ShowUserR...al_Russia.html.

Russian reviews are hilarious, thanks I had a good laugh.

[Henri Dufresne]

Yes mamba and tinder are trash. All dating apps are a waste of time. Mamba is the worst. I wasted a lot of time swiping and only got hard core gold diggers and scammers. The MILF I had met on my previous trip to Kiev at some local bar she was ok to meet in Moscow.

I the like to second Rugga. I extensively used mamba and tinder and came to the same conclusion. The worst gold diggers are on tinder and mamba. (Same in Ukraine). These two apps attract all the scammers as well. This means that some women look like pros according to their photos but it does not mean they actually fuck. They want your money and they don't want to do anything in return. Tinder has been marketed by some US media as a casual sex app. This is BS. This is just a manipulation. You don't know who hides behind these girls. I think that the women of tinder and Mamba are even worse than the gold diggers you find in night clubs of Moscow. In general, all the predators are online. This means, asexual women who want to make money out of men but will never have sex. Lesbian women also who pretend to have sex with you and total psychotic women as well. They all have something in common. They are all sexually deceptive. They make you believe that you are going to have sex and in the end, you get nothing. Also, don't believe you are going to meet a semi pro on these apps. Today, I think that the best Russian women never join Tinder and Mamba. That's it.

Don't be lured by photos on Tinder and Mamba. You are going to waste your time and money. Forget it.

Guys don't waste your time with these apps. Visit websites where you can find pros in Russian, agencies, and places where you can find prostitutes (nightclubs, bars, restaurants):

Example: a restaurant in Moscow with prostitutes:

https://www.tripadvisor.ru/ShowUserR...al_Russia.html

For your information, I met women who were on mamba in the local population. I understood that you find on tinder and mamba all the women that nobody wants to fuck. It is plain and simple. By the way, I think the problem is worldwide with Tinder. I think this app is incredibly overrated and I think it is a scam.

[AluHut]

Yes mamba and tinder are trash. All dating apps are a waste of time. Mamba is the worst. I wasted a lot of time swiping and only got hard core gold diggers and scammers. The MILF I had met on my previous trip to Kiev at some local bar she was ok to meet in Moscow.

LOL, some things never change. You got really lucky with her, too bad she reacted like this.

[Rugga]

That is very interesting, how did you found her?

Yes mamba and tinder are trash. All dating apps are a waste of time. Mamba is the worst. I wasted a lot of time swiping and only got hard core gold diggers and scammers. The MILF I had met on my previous trip to Kiev at some local bar she was ok to meet in Moscow.

[AluHut]

Cannot reply on his behalf but according to my experience Mamba apps is the right one. It is the one I use in Russia instead of Tinder or else.

I haven't used it in ages, but I remember it was quite a trash place where you had to spend hours, or even days to find someone real. Is it still the case? Also, do you communicate in English? I speak quite decent Russian, but my gut feeling tells me I will get better results but not trying to pretend as local.

[Jarjarmissa]

That is very interesting, how did you found her?

Cannot reply on his behalf but according to my experience Mamba apps is the right one. It is the one I use in Russia instead of Tinder or else.

The recommendations I can make are:

- Spend time to get to know who writes. There a mix between agencies, independent escort, serious women (looking for husband) and easygoing girls (with support).

The border between escort and girl with support is tiny but clearly exists on Mamba.

- Escort: not a big deal, from 8 K rbls per hour to 50 K, it is a market place where you find what you want.

- Easy-going girl with support: AMOF Russian women like being treated like Princess. They like beautiful places, champagne, good dinner, flowers. If you give this, you will get hot sex in return. But sometimes it is borderline as the same easy going girl will ask 15 K rbl for a dinner with you. She is not an escort but she likes to meet with sugar daddy who will invite AND give her money to buy things. Do not treat her as an escort, or be ready to forget the after dinner part.

If others have other opinion, interesting to cross.

[AluHut]

Thankfully had made contact with a classy MILF age in her 30's prior to my arrival. Non-pro woman with a normal job. She picked me up at the airport, showed me around the city, stayed with me about 3 nights so got enough bedroom action with her. BBBJ, anal, CIM the lot all freebie (well, I paid for all her meals and drinks). Even went to her house outside Moscow and fucked her ass off whilst her teen daughter was upstairs and could probably hear mummy being fucked senseless. That was satisfying. It was only when she was at work I tried to p4 p for variety but no luck.

That is very interesting, how did you found her?

[Rugga]

Was in Moscow for 5 days back in October 21. Stayed in 5-star hotel on Tverskaya. Plan was to visit salons choose from a line up. In these days texted about 20 Salons and Indy's (in Russian) but mostly got no reply. Started to wonder why so many ads on rusdosug etc if the women aren't responding. If there was a reply they send pics of girls who look nothing like the ads and not worth it for the prices quoted which are around 8000/ hour straight sex. Extras cost more. Did go to one apartment near Arbat, on the phone she lied and said 5 young girls available. But when I turned up just one skinny Stan girl only skin and bones looking unhealthy so didn't do any business.

Moscow didn't live up to p4 p expectations. Thankfully had made contact with a classy MILF age in her 30's prior to my arrival. Non-pro woman with a normal job. She picked me up at the airport, showed me around the city, stayed with me about 3 nights so got enough bedroom action with her. BBBJ, anal, CIM the lot all freebie (well, I paid for all her meals and drinks). Even went to her house outside Moscow and fucked her ass off whilst her teen daughter was upstairs and could probably hear mummy being fucked senseless. That was satisfying. It was only when she was at work I tried to p4 p for variety but no luck.

Left Moscow for SP by myself. A bit better for p4 p but not much (see my SP report).

Returned to Moscow to fly back. But had a date with a girl 20 years younger which went well. Cancelled flight stayed a few more days with new girl. 8 hours non-stop sex first night with whisky and room service. Loads more sex next two nights. BBBJ, CIM, uncovered anal. Free. Yes I took her to top restaurants and bars. Satisfying to get this from a local non-pro in her mid 20's.

MILF worked out I was seeing someone else and went crazy on the phone. Do I give a fuck? No! As if these women don’t use men every day for free meals and social life going around having dozens of dates. Refused to meet the MILF in case she goes ballistic in public. Well, what can you do but manage the situation!

So p4 p didn't work for me in Moscow but was lucky to get two locals for free. Nice city but too cold for me this time of year.

[CallSignRomeo]

But if somebody know a good salon, where their only (or at least main) product is the good old sex, please post here, I will got there with pleasure.

You will need good Russian skills to navigate to such salons as they have discreet entrances and it can get challenging to access these doors / gates without proper communication skills. You can take the help of taxi driver to get there though who are mostly central Asians.

[Cutty Sark]

So, 2000 entry + 14000 are for the girl + 6000 for the room = 22000 Rubles or around $300 minimum for a session. Not including tips for the dances and drinks. How long were these sessions? A flat hour or a few hours with a couple pops?

Flat hour. The management calls the room after 1 hour and asks that the girl and you clear out. Though on all occasions, the girls were not in a hurry and utilized the full hour.

[ILuvThePussy]

Sex if you want is 14000 R for the girl and 6000 for the room, I believe it has gone up from previous rates. The waitresses are topless and can also be taken to the room. The hostesses wear gowns, ditto for them. If you want to take a girl out of the club you pay some ridiculous amount like 15000 or 30000 R. All places have a hotel adjacent or on the upper floors, rooms are OK enough though I found Aurora to be a little older and seedier than the others and Hunters to be the nicest. On all three occasions I found the girls to be very, very well trained, they all had absolutely great attitude and seemed to be clearly instructed to achieve a very high satisfaction level both in the sex as well as in the pre and post talk. On two occasions the girls did not want to any kissing, third one lots. On two occasions the girls without insistence did some crazy ball licking, third occasion not. Overall service was super, with many similarities that showed good training of the girls but still some variations.

So, 2000 entry + 14000 are for the girl + 6000 for the room = 22000 Rubles or around $300 minimum for a session. Not including tips for the dances and drinks. How long were these sessions? A flat hour or a few hours with a couple pops?

[Cutty Sark]

I have travelled to Moscow a few times but resisted the allure of the clubs until now because the price seemed to be rather high. This time, maybe because of Covid or because of a general clean up that seems to be in progress I bit the bullet and tried out Aurora, Hunters and Angels over a period of 10 days.

All three (and I assume others in the group) are clones of each other. 2000 R entry, coat check and somewhat bored looking hostesses. All three clubs were fairly empty, once again probably because of Covid. 25-odd girls, they take turns to do a strip show and then come to all the patrons one by one to grind on you for a few minutes. You can stick a few hundred in their garter if you like, you can also turn them away (though I think no reason to not partake). Most girls proposition you for a private dance, I am not sure what that entails as I did not accept. There are some food and drinks available at high prices, I tried a few things but would not recommend as all was sub par quality.

Sex if you want is 14000 R for the girl and 6000 for the room, I believe it has gone up from previous rates. The waitresses are topless and can also be taken to the room. The hostesses wear gowns, ditto for them. If you want to take a girl out of the club you pay some ridiculous amount like 15000 or 30000 R. All places have a hotel adjacent or on the upper floors, rooms are OK enough though I found Aurora to be a little older and seedier than the others and Hunters to be the nicest. On all three occasions I found the girls to be very, very well trained, they all had absolutely great attitude and seemed to be clearly instructed to achieve a very high satisfaction level both in the sex as well as in the pre and post talk. On two occasions the girls did not want to any kissing, third one lots. On two occasions the girls without insistence did some crazy ball licking, third occasion not. Overall service was super, with many similarities that showed good training of the girls but still some variations.

All three girls spoke English and engaged in a lot of talk before, during and after- once again it seemed that they made this part of the overall experience.

I think this overall experience is great, it is debatable whether it is worth the high price of 20000 R minimum or more if you take a few extras. The girls are very pretty and frankly, there is nothing to complain about. Maybe this is why I am not 100% sure whether I would repeat often, because it is too much like a "formula" that is applied every time and there is a little less excitement than some other mongering opportunities. Still, nothing to beat the sheer convenience and quality.