Moscow

[Surcher]

How do you handle registration for yourself?

Hello,

I go regularly to Russia, and never register, except in the hotels of course. I had two times difficulties with the militia on the street, and paid them a fee, and once in Barnaul at the airport just before departure. There a guy took me out of the queue and took me to an office. He was not in uniform, I refused to talk a single word Russian, he had to let me go and I just got the plane. But that was 5 years ago. The rules are changed, and most hotels do the registration electronal. When leaving the country nobody ever asked me something. I even lost once that small white paper (is it the emigration card?) and nobody said something.

[Stravinsky]

What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?

You will need some sort of government issued ID that shows your permanent address in Moscow.

Russian citizens can use their narodni passport, but if you are a foreign businessman renting an apartment, you won't have one of those. I doubt if utility bills will be acceptable. Regardless of your ID, I think a foreign citizen, trying to register another foreign citizen, would raise some eyebrows.

How do you handle registration for yourself? Is it done through your company?


Jake - I think a Russian citizen sponsoring a visitor is a whole 'nother process, involving a special type of visa for that purpose. Mainly the RF just wants to keep track of foreign citizens staying in Russia, and in order to do that they want you to register at an "official" address where they can reach out and put the finger on you, if they need to.

I never thought of it before, but logically, the person who registers you should probably report that you have left the country. But then, we're talking about Russia, so logic doesn't necessarily apply.

It was probably a Russian border guard. Given the special fondness that Russia has for the Ukraine right now, I imagine he takes great pleasure in reading the riot act to every ignorant kolkhoznik who happens to cross his path.

[Jake993]

Stravinsky,

What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?

I want to invite friends over but I have no utility bills to show. I live in a company paid flat.

I have to say I once was stopped in the underground before going to work so Militia can also pick on innocent "business" types.

Regards,

Vigilante

Vig,
I may be off base with this comment so if it is incorrect then I apologize in advance. However, I have been told that in order to register a visitor you must be a "Moscow resident" and have some proof (some kind of document) to that effect. The exception to that rule is if you are a business (like a hotel) that is set up to receive non-residents of Moscow.

The reason I say this is that when in Moscow I normally rent an apartment from one of the agencies. One of the services they offer is the registration. On one occasion, I needed to get my visa registered in a hurry because of a scheduling conflict, but the manager told me that she could not do it herself because she is not a "proper" resident of Moscow (although she has lived there for years) and that we would have to wait day for her colleague to return to work because she is a "Moscow Resident" and could register me easily.

I have no proof one way or the other, but I get the impression that registering a guest is tantamount to sponsoring them to live at your residence. Although the rules have been relaxed, when you leave Moscow you should technically return the document to the person who registered you and they must report your departure to the same place they register your arrival. TECHNICALLY they can be in shit if they fail to do this.

I was told a story of a Ukrainian visitor last summer who arrived in Moscow by train. His host registered him and everything was cool. When it was time to return to Kiev, he hopped on the train and headed home. Then, when they were making the border crossing from Russia to Ukraine, a border guard (not sure if it was Russian or Ukrainian) discovered the registration document in his passport (along with the migration card) and gave him Supreme Shit for not giving it back to his host in Moscow and that he was potentially creating a problem for his host.

Here's my point (yes, I do have a point), this process appears to be complicated, fluid, randomly enforced, and poorly understood. And there are PLENTY of legal Moscow Residents who would be happy to register your guests for a small fee ($25?). Maybe ask one of your Muscovite co-workers if they can hep you out and register your guest? Worth a try.

Good luck

[Vigilantemoscow]

Stravinsky,

What proof of address they accept at the Post Office please?

I want to invite friends over but I have no utility bills to show. I live in a company paid flat.

I have to say I once was stopped in the underground before going to work so Militia can also pick on innocent "business" types.

Regards,

Vigilante

AJ,

The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.

It is only necessary to prove that you have an address in Moscow (or wherever you are staying), which will be the sticking point for someone who is a tourist.

So, if you have proof of an address in Moscow and you can read and write Russian, you're set. Just head on over to the Post Office and do the deed.

Otherwise, you will have to pay someone to do it for you.

But, it is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...

[Bez Bezarra]

Refresh my memory again, are you arriving in Mineralaya Vodal?

Out in the provinces, they may not let you into the country at all.

Your time in Russia is determined by your acting in a strange manner.

That's Velikiye Luki Dookie to you, where they only HAVE one travel agent that will register you.

Though I'm seriously considering a visit to Zzzhzyzzhnzhn-na-Shiznit.

Getting IN is not my worry, its getting OUT!

I know they are fucking me over, I'll do it your way, and try not to act unusually strange, but that's asking a bit much. I've never been stopped by the militsia, since I'm always in my Spetsnaz Kobra uniform.

Migration card they give you at the airport. Registration form? Well, it was last April, so its too far back to remember.

Someone who will vouch for me? For ME?????? I think this is actually what my agent IS doing, based on her hopes that I won't perform multiple vivisections on the local populace in my insatiable bloodthirst for virgins and type AB negative.

Since 2006, the ruski dyevs are higher on my rankings than the UA versions, only for the reasons that, in between sponsorship sessions, the p4p seems more acceptable in Russia in newspaper ads, and the UA gals just seem greedier now than before. It still depends on the individual, I had great success in Oct 2008 in UA, but Russia is still the source. If only it was less complicated.

[Prosal]

But they only do that with people who look suspicious or are acting in a strange, unusual or anti-social manner. Come to think of it, maybe you better register.

ROFLMAO !

[Stravinsky]

This sounds very encouraging, since registering is still a real pain in the ass, a big waste of time, and way too expensive. My flight always gets in at 23:00 on Friday night, so the last thing I want to do after 36 hours of travel time and my first night of debauchery, is get up early Saturday morning in a jet lag fog and find a taxi to drive across town to my travel agent to give them my passport.

Refresh my memory again, are you arriving in Mineralaya Voda, or Goose Khrystal?

And since my apartment is still not registered for tourist rentals, my travel agent always has to register me in a different address and has to charge me $120 for this special fee to the police.

There is no $120 special fee to the police (unless, of course, it's going into someone's pocket). They are just taking advantage of your kind demeanor and your generous nature. Time to find a new travel agent.

Then I still have to go back there again on Monday or Tuesday to get my passport back and my registration form. Then there's always the worry that you will lose this stupid little paper before you clear immigration.

I think you are confusing your registration form with your migration card. Since they changed the procedures for registration, I have not had anyone ask for my registration form when I left the country. They will, however, ask for your migration card. And you'd better have it.

Between all that bullshit, AND the new bullshit of being required to pay a travel agent to get a visa, it nearly makes going to Ukraine a better option. If it wasn't for the dyevuchki,.......

'smatter, you got something against Ukrainian dyevchyonki???

So, when registering at the post office, do they still give you back the form with their stamp that you must give to immigration officer at the airport when you leave the country, that if you don't have it, you are in trouble? (Not having the option to miss my flights, I have always had my form)

Again, you are confusing your registration form with your migration card.

And do they still have the 48 hours time limit to register rule, or you are in trouble?

There was a long discussion about this subject in the Other Areas thread last year at this time. You might want to go back and read through it again. Kurenda posted a copy of the form that they use at the post office in Moscow for registration.

http://www.internationalsexguide.inf...&postcount=941

Of course, out in the provinces, they may not have heard about the new procedures yet.

Trouble for registering late generally means paying an extra $100 to $200 in rubles and sitting around the police station for 4 hours explaining shit and getting photographed and fingerprinted. (Haven't done that since 2007).

Really??? I'm surprised they let you into the country at all.

I know I could stay one night in a hotel and save myself all these headaches, but that would be just as big a pain, and a waste of time and money too, and they don't have crappy green sofas.

There is another possibility. You only need someone who has an address in the city where you will be staying and who will be willing to go to the post office and vouch for you, that you will be staying with them. They are the one who will actually fill out the form, with their name and address and register you as staying with them. Maybe one of your liubovnitsi would be willing to do that for a small fee? It's worth a shot (so to speak).

I'm not so sure that a hotel that I'm checking out of, on my second morning, is gonna register me for 3 weeks anyway.

I'm not aware of any time limit on your registration, as long as you stay in the same city. Your time in Russia is determined by your visa.


It's really not necessary to register. Most people don't. It's entirely possible that you could spend your whole time in Russia without registering and no one would be any the wiser. It's only an issue if the militsia decides to stop you and ask for your documenti. But they only do that with people who look suspicious or are acting in a strange, unusual or anti-social manner.

Come to think of it, maybe you better register.

[Jake993]

... however I am not a rookie for Moscow scene.....

Sorry AJ, never meant to suggest you were.

[Bez Bezarra]

The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.

It is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...

This sounds very encouraging, since registering is still a real pain in the ass, a big waste of time, and way too expensive. My flight always gets in at 23:00 on Friday night, so the last thing I want to do after 36 hours of travel time and my first night of debauchery, is get up early Saturday morning in a jet lag fog and find a taxi to drive across town to my travel agent to give them my passport. And since my apartment is still not registered for tourist rentals, my travel agent always has to register me in a different address and has to charge me $120 for this special fee to the police. Then I still have to go back there again on Monday or Tuesday to get my passport back and my registration form. Then there's always the worry that you will lose this stupid little paper before you clear immigration.

Between all that bullshit, AND the new bullshit of being required to pay a travel agent to get a visa, it nearly makes going to Ukraine a better option. If it wasn't for the dyevuchki,.......

So, when registering at the post office, do they still give you back the form with their stamp that you must give to immigration officer at the airport when you leave the country, that if you don't have it, you are in trouble? (Not having the option to miss my flights, I have always had my form)

And do they still have the 48 hours time limit to register rule, or you are in trouble?

Trouble for registering late generally means paying an extra $100 to $200 in rubles and sitting around the police station for 4 hours explaining shit and getting photographed and fingerprinted. (Haven't done that since 2007).

I know I could stay one night in a hotel and save myself all these headaches, but that would be just as big a pain, and a waste of time and money too, and they don't have crappy green sofas. I'm not so sure that a hotel that I'm checking out of, on my second morning, is gonna register me for 3 weeks anyway.

[MichaelGage]

I'm back to Moscow for a week in February.

Who wants to party?

[Stravinsky]

AJ,

The procedures for registration have changed in the last year or 2. It is now possible to register yourself at the Post Office by filling out a form, in Russian or course, and paying a small fee, maybe 200 руб.

It is only necessary to prove that you have an address in Moscow (or wherever you are staying), which will be the sticking point for someone who is a tourist.

So, if you have proof of an address in Moscow and you can read and write Russian, you're set. Just head on over to the Post Office and do the deed.

Otherwise, you will have to pay someone to do it for you.

But, it is no longer necessary to register with the Militsia, or the OVIR, or the FSB, or the NKVD, or the VDNXa...

[Big Bro AJ]

Jake,

Thanks for the info, however I am not a rookie for Moscow scene.

I just wonder, do we also have to deposit 200 Rubles to Sherbank additional to regular registration formalities.

[Uphigh]

Guys, I'd be really interested to hear from those familiar with the Moscow scene on the following question: what impact, if any, do internal migration controls have on the supply/demand picture for girls in Mosow/Russia (girls in general, not just P4P). What I mean is, my understanding is that Russia has a system of internal migration control, I. E. A girl cannot just up and move to Moscow from Ekaterinaburg for example just because she feels like it. This is where where all this discussion about papers and registration comes in. Now in Ukraine, people can move wherever they want. I haven't been all over the country, but in the bit of travelling I've done it seems like there are almost no girls in the villages and small cities. It makes sense that they would go to the bigger cities for work and school, and there are lots of girls in the bigger cities in Ukraine.

I know the whole which is better, Russia or Ukraine, big cities or the provinces etc. Discussion has been had many times. But does anyone think that migration controls play a part, I. E. That there are more girls in Ukrainian cities because of the lack of migration controls?

[JohnTodd]

Visited Moscow, first day called Sweet Dreams, was able to communicate in English, they suggested Alyona who was a great provider, nice body friendly, did leave 30 min early.
Web Address: http://sweet-dreams.ru/index.php?opt...tegory&catid=7

The second day I decided to try an independent from :http://www.rusdosug.com/

The lady is no longer listed, but she looked nothing like the photo, her site said $180, she charged $200. She had blond hair on the photo, black hair in person, her srvice was conservative, although she checked all the boxes on Rusdosug, she said she did not understand the form. Her body was great, but again, she looked nothing like the photo, her services were not as advertised, it was like she went through "Extreme Makeover" for the photo. If her photo appears back on the site, I will add the link.

The second lady was Alina, she posted a photo of the way she really looks, the previous photo had straberry blond hair, and was photoshopped.
http://www.rusdosug.com/indi.php?service=12&id=33101

Note each lady charged $200 for two hours

[Jake993]

I heard that foreigners have to pay 200 Rubles as registration fee at Sherbank.

In the previous regulations, foreigners shall not registar if they stay less than 3 business days. Is this still valid?

AJ,
Visitors to Moscow (not just foreigners) are required to register with the Militisa within three business days. If you leave town within those three business days then you are not required to register. For example, if you arrive in Moscow at 5:00 PM on Friday night, then you have until 5:00 Wednesday night to register.