Moscow

[Riina]

I live in a US city with many Eastern Europeans. Their options with sex work have become very limited. So when they meet a good customer, it's in their interest to develop a relationship beyond something just transactional. As most know their career will be short. Most agencies are dying, but a few talented local pimps are thriving. When I say post Fosta / Sesta is great, it's a nuanced thing particular to my city. It's been death pretty much everywhere else.

[Steve 9696]

What is fosta / sesta?

F / S is a new law in the use that has huge prison terms for even accidentally encouraging trafficking or [CodeWord903] providers. So pretty much every useful legitimate multi-girl outlet has shit down. A few have moved offshore but it's still perilous. And the best sites for reviews are gone.

It has generally had the effect of damaging legitimate relatively safe prostitution in the US. So that is why I am curious to understand the positive outcome the OP references.

[Uncle Volodya]

What is fosta / sesta?

[Jake993]

I use to be of the thinking that I missed a golden age of mongering in Russia. I don't think that way anymore. I get it, before the internet, quality girls would concentrate in venues that were accessible to foreigners. Now, it's just low quality at high prices. Russian girls have way more options now on line that has just about frozen out all traveling foreigners.

Riina, your points are well taken. I think the key words in your post is "traveling foreigners". If you are a sex tourist breezing through town, you are going to pay way too much and or end up being quite frustrated.

FACT: There are no fewer hot Russian girls now than there were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

FACT: These girls are no less horny and hungry for sex now than they were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

FACT: These available and horny Russian girls DO most definitely have options and are not widely available to foreigners with a few bucks in their pockets like there were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

The sad truth is that if you want to enjoy Moscow (and most of Russia for that matter) to the fullest as a monger, you need to be prepared to invest a little time. I remember this fellow ISG member a few years back. I seem to recall his ISG handle was "Lukasek". Man, he had an adventure. He went off into the small towns of Western Russia and started going to all of the local bars and night clubs. He got more pussy than he could handle. I'm not suggesting that we all run off to the Russian hinterland, but if you are considering a mongering trip to Russia and only have a short time to spend, you might want to re-think your plans and dramatically re-set your expectations.

Just saying.

[Steve 9696]

On the plane back to Moscow. I will be there until the 31st anyone wants to meet up send me a message.

Been having a chat in the FKK Lounge that led me to outline pricing for all the venues I've been to: US, Brazil, Spain, UK, Germany, Thailand, China, Japan, NZ / AU.

When I put it on paper Moscow was quite expensive (if you go the strip club route with bar fine etc) which surprised me. Don't get me wrong — I had a great time and CzarNicholas is patently insane. But it was expensive.

I just wonder where else you have been that makes you conclude Moscow is tops? For 10 years I had German FKK as untouchable — until I went to Brazil this year! 😀.

[Steve 9696]

Post Fosta / Sesta in the US has been the best mongering time of my life. I never could have imagined so many Euro escorts friending me and so open to girlfriend sex.

Sorry. Lost the thread here. How is Fosta / Sesta good?

[Riina]

I use to be of the thinking that I missed a golden age of mongering in Russia. I don't think that way anymore. I get it, before the internet, quality girls would concentrate in venues that were accessible to foreigners. Now, it's just low quality at high prices. Russian girls have way more options now on line that has just about frozen out all traveling foreigners.

Post Fosta / Sesta in the US has been the best mongering time of my life. I never could have imagined so many Euro escorts friending me and so open to girlfriend sex.

[DramaFree11]

On the plane back to Moscow. I will be there until the 31st anyone wants to meet up send me a message.

[Jake993]

As an aside, I feel a little sad for how much shit those guys are still taking for the writing they did. That newspaper and book was legendary. And their club and restaurant reviews were totally spot-on.

You know it brother. This moronic #MeToo movement is going too far. This witch is advocating using the US legal system to prosecute these guys for things which may or may not have actually take place in Russia 20 years ago. But then, I suppose that only stands to reason if Uncle Sam can tax your worldwide income then he can follow your every move overseas and prosecute you for bad behavior regardless of whether or not it's illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.ba95830546ac

[Jake993]

..... I felt like if the world was ending, this is where I wanted to be.......

Ha ha ha too true.

[Chezz]

Gosh how I do miss Safari Lodge. I walked by a few months ago and almost shed a tear. It was the very definition of a lap dancing club. << heavy sigh.

That's where I spent the evening of 9/11. I felt like if the world was ending, this is where I wanted to be. And you're right about the lap-dances. Back in the day they were fully nude and 100 rubles, but not every dancer was a working girl. It was a great hang. I used to go there with one of the guys from the eXile. As an aside, I feel a little sad for how much shit those guys are still taking for the writing they did. That newspaper and book was legendary. And their club and restaurant reviews were totally spot-on.

[DramaFree11]

That's great advice Dramafree. You seem to have a very good understanding of how Moscow works. More people should listen to you, myself included. Excellent advice here! Thanks for posting.

Thank you, but I am following Jake993, advice he is knows way more about Russia then I do.

Something interesting on the Kiev thread there is one guy that I disagree with almost everything he says, but he is the one that talked about having Working Girls come by early then do traditional dating in the late afternoons and evenings. Thursday, Friday and Saturday, I hit the clubs, makes for a busy day. Also, need to mix in a little work and gym That just shows your can learn something from people you do not agree with, so I have to give him some credit. That being said, I was having the girls come over around 11 am, but that is too early in Moscow, when I was gong to bed at 6 or 7. This time I will probably do 1 or 2 pm. Girls are usually a little more fresh in the morning and the agency is not calling them repeatedly.

I will be back in Moscow in 8 days, so if anyone is there, let's meet up.

[DramaFree11]

I used Seeking Arrangements in Moscow with some successful, but moving forward I would only use periodically, there are better options. The girls on SA are experienced in traveling and expectations are way to high. If you decide to try SA, just turn on for month and start 2 weeks before you trip.

[EpsomBath2005]

Cold yes I agree one should not complain, but I watched the weather before I came, October was awesome high 50's high 60's, I get here 1st week of Nov.

A few weeks later its 0 F that's crazy I just expected a more gradual decline in temps.

And I wouldn't be bitching.

If it was Jan. Or Feb. I could see, but even the Russians are complaining!

I use tmobil global plan. I pay 71 $ a month and most countries are covered by tmobil. All my email and apps worked including yandex. All world travelers should use tmobil. Only Cuba Jordan Vietnam? My tmobil plan did not work. Otherwise every country has at least 3 g in all major cities including Kenya and Nigeria and China. No problems.

[EpsomBath2005]

I had high quality girls coming to my apartment. (The site is listed on my other posts. I am going to try Intimilife a little more on my next trip, but you need local number for that site.) My opinion, I would not go to girls apartments, until you have met at least once, For the following reasons, If the girls do not meet your standards you can always turn them away politely at your place, but it's a little different when you are on there territory, also you need to worry about safety, 99.9%, will not be an issue, but it only takes one time. The other issue is the traffic it sucks, so you will waste a lot of time looking for apartments. Taxi drivers can usually find the bars and rest. , but apartments is much more difficult. Just a thought. Also, a couple of the guys that struggled, wrote they tried to go to girls apartments and they did not go to well for them.

What I did is had escorts come late morning early afternoon and did traditional dating and night clubs in the evenings, also worked in Tinder and Seeking Arrangements. Worked great.

That's great advice Dramafree. You seem to have a very good understanding of how Moscow works. More people should listen to you, myself included. Excellent advice here! Thanks for posting.