Moscow

[El Kapitan]

Dobre Diem,

Not to interrupt this wonderful string of "remember when" and bitching but...

I am on a short stay this time (5 days) in Moscow and wouldn't mind a little local help. I am RTFF but in the interest of time I would like specific info on the following from you experts:

1) Anyone want to meet up and show a newbie around?

2) Anyone know of a "tour guide" who can show me the city and her tits? Approximate cost?

3) Anything that can get me dead? Neighborhoods, places, people to avoid?

4) English speaking or at least friendly places (bars, websites, etc)

Thanks and dasvidanya.

[Jake993]

One question, though: what has, in your view, led to this extreme explosion of prices? Yeah sure, the oil-induced boom has made Moscow awash with quick cash. Hence, demand for p4p services has increased, but this has an upward effect on prices if and only if supply is curtailed. I would have thought, seeing the still extremely low incomes across Russia, that there would be sufficient additional supply to keep prices low.

Let me TRY to answer your question with a question. "What goods or services ARE relatively cheap in London, Tokyo, Paris, New York City, or Zurich?" Answer: None.

Since Moscow has been back on the scene in terms of being a world class city, I think P4P has found its place. Sad but true. I would suggest that similar caliber P4P in those cities is not a whole lot less than in Moscow. Not to say that you cannot get laid for an hour for 2500 rubles because you can. In fact you can get it for less. But you need to be able to speak Russian. Let's face it, drop dead gorgeous English speaking working girls in Moscow are a "SPECIALTY" and therefore don't follow traditional rules of "price elasticity of demand". Since non-Russian speaking foreigners don't have much choice except to pay the going price or find something else to do on a cold night. I would suggest to you that if those same foreigners stopped paying the high prices altogether, the supply would dry up long before the price went down. Girls have more choices today and would find somewhere else to work.

I think that during the post Perestroika period, Moscow was in a tremendous state of transition. Prostitution was as much about survival then as anything. I don't think a girl in Moscow who speaks perfect English and charges $500 for an hour or two is too worried about basic survival. It's more of a career choice. The Tochka girls is probably another matter and I'm not sure I understand the economics of that phenomenon except perhaps greed on the part of the police getting payoffs and maybe the expenses of the Mamochkas. Prices in the provinces ARE relatively low. Moscow and Saint Petersburg are anomalous.

[Priamos]

OK, it's then settled. During my stay in Moscow I'll stay away from "temptations" and limit myself to a bit of sightseeing and dinner at my hotel. I don't want to pay significantly more than I would in Belgium, Bulgaria, Germany, Greece and the Netherlands simply for the "pleasure" of being in the city of Nikolai I...

One question, though: what has, in your view, led to this extreme explosion of prices? Yeah sure, the oil-induced boom has made Moscow awash with quick cash. Hence, demand for p4p services has increased, but this has an upward effect on prices if and only if supply is curtailed. I would have thought, seeing the still extremely low incomes across Russia, that there would be sufficient additional supply to keep prices low. - A bit like in Shanghai, where new girls are bussed in from the rural area every day. Or, are we all paying a dear price for the infamous Moscovite "propizhka"?

[Doctor_Skank]

I have to agree with you. Moscow is not for the "faint of heart" or the "slim of wallet". If you do not have business in Moscow that can subsidize your airfare and accommodation, you can burn through money faster that you know.

As far as freebies goes, it's still an expensive proposition in Moscow when you consider cost of living. It's is also one that requires an investment of time and effort. But oh it can pay back handsome dividends.

Unfortunately this is simply true.

No matter which way you bend the rules or no matter how much charm and skillz one possesses, women simply cost money.

Pros, freebies, club sluts.

There is no way to avoid it. Mongering is an expensive hobby, but I think most here will agree that it is worth it.

[Solntsa Yada]

It does look, Pizdyets, as if this part of the board is in the hands of people (expats, locals.) who are not motivated by fraternal feelings towards fellow mongers but rather a combination of classic Russian chauvinism ("foreigners in Russia should PAY! ") and the nouveau riche excesses of the Wild East ("Flaunt it baby! Yeah! ").

I'd like to jump in on this.

I do get your point on this myself. But its possibly more perception than you realise.

When I first got to Russia I could not go beyond the Girls-students site, due to the language barrier, but after one particular girl, Ira, asked me why I didn't yet have a girlfriend, and offered herself, to practice her english, get free meals, a place to stay from time to time (she stayed outside of moscow, and would call around 6am to crash/shower at my place) She helped me to understand some of the 'goings on' of such sites, and the fact that the real street value was far cheaper than the expat-catering salons.

The real interesting point was, she would help me find other girls on occasions, but when I tried to copy her, I was barely able to get anywhere.

I have literally stood in podezds (front halls) of buildings, lost, the wrong address, the girl cancelling because I can't find her place, at the very last minute, after a taxi there and a taxi back, costing me a few hundred rubles, gone to places with ugly/fat/WTF girls, More than half of the times I've gone looking for some of the lesser expensive places.

Sure, I was (and still am) cheap, so I don't mind looking 2-3 times to get a decent girl, who, for 2000 ryb will give me a decent time, and if she's decent enough I give her repeat business for the next 2-3 times to make up for the cancelled/lost times. Some of these girls would come meet me, away from the 'apartment/goblin boss" for only the price of a romantic dinner. A. K. A freebee.

But coming into town from outside, your unlikely to be able to get this kind of service, no matter what anyone reports on the site. That kind of work costs time and money. Which you pay for by going for the easy expat-friendly sites.

So in conclusion, its not that we're hiding anything, we just know its alot harder than it looks in Moscow.

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[Guido88]

Your're probably quite right that, as a newcomer, I walked into that one on my big feet. Just "between the two of us", I had a bruising discussion some time ago on another country thread with a gentleman who was actively promoting one, expensive, set of services (nothing wrong with that, of course) to the point of ranting against anybody who would recommend anything else. I never came to realise whether that guy was simply obsessive or financially interested in the services he proffered. When I saw Shelby criticising alternative service providers I thought "f***, there we go again!" obviously without properly recognising the man's role and past contributions to this thread.

Sorry about that.

Priamos

Our discussion was centered on P4P in Moscow, which is as most agree a rich mans pursuit nowadays.

Even Doc with his gift of Russian gab has given up on Moscow for P4P.

However freebies are another topic. Difficult for a short stay mongers; those with time and language seem to do quite well.

Lucky bastards…..

Doc leaves a long trail of empty condom wrappers.

Another option would be Piter. Easier for the 1st trip in many respects with pricing still better than Moscow.

No shortage of great looking women and many think freebies are easier there. P4P is plentiful and somewhat reasonable compared to Moscow.

For either city work the dating sites. Omen, Mheart ect…

Most have a section for intime or erotic services. Expect more than a few that speak no English. Keep dialing and you will find ones that do.

Then ask them to bring a friend.

As Jake mentioned it is well worth the effort.

Good hunting

Guido88

[Jake993]

Moscow is, however, a place for freebies if you know where to go, what Russian girls want, and ideally, speak Russian. But hunting freebies is still expensive: you'll spend over $100/night just for accommodation. Hence, unless you have special ties with Russia or a lot of money, I would not recommend it.
Sorry to disappoint ...

I have to agree with you. Moscow is not for the "faint of heart" or the "slim of wallet". If you do not have business in Moscow that can subsidize your airfare and accommodation, you can burn through money faster that you know.

As far as freebies goes, it's still an expensive proposition in Moscow when you consider cost of living. It's is also one that requires an investment of time and effort. But oh it can pay back handsome dividends.

[SlutLover]

If you are not an oligarch Moscow is not, IMHO, the place for P4P. In that respect Germany is a lot more value for money, and easier to reach. Thailand and the Philippines are cheap, I suppose, if you are into Oriental women.

Moscow is, however, a place for freebies if you know where to go, what Russian girls want, and ideally, speak Russian. But hunting freebies is still expensive: you'll spend over $100/night just for accommodation. Hence, unless you have special ties with Russia or a lot of money, I would not recommend it.
Sorry to disappoint ...

Jim

At this point P4P in Moscow is out of my price range. Last trip I substituted Thailand for Moscow and found good values. It’s hard for me to pay ludicrous amounts of money for a woman.

My most recent reports came from Firebird and I think Jake or one of his buddies may have used them. Firebird spoke highly of the experience. If I remember right Jake did as well.

Sounds as though the website may not be quite as reliable as it once was. There have been complaints of short time, false photos and bait and switch.

Key thing for the newbies to remember is if the girl at the door is not what you ordered send her back with cab fare and move on.

Make it clear to the girl that leaving early is simply not an option.

Guido88

[Strike 69]

Guys can anybody please recommend me a couple of pretty Russian Blondinkas that provides good service? Preferently with big tits and/or ass (no obligatory but desirable)

Thanks

[Doctor_Skank]

It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.

Guido88

There's a lot of appreciation for Shelby's work, he obviously put a lot of effort into it.

And I feel no shame in being jealous.

[Priamos]

As to what I have been smoking. Well it is harvest season….. I am guilty on that one.

Apologies for missing your sarcasm.

It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.

Your're probably quite right that, as a newcomer, I walked into that one on my big feet. Just "between the two of us", I had a bruising discussion some time ago on another country thread with a gentleman who was actively promoting one, expensive, set of services (nothing wrong with that, of course) to the point of ranting against anybody who would recommend anything else. I never came to realise whether that guy was simply obsessive or financially interested in the services he proffered. When I saw Shelby criticising alternative service providers I thought "f***, there we go again!" obviously without properly recognising the man's role and past contributions to this thread.

Sorry about that.

[Guido88]

I haven't used Girls-Students and Diana Escort for years, it was back in the time I spoke not a word in Russian (and price can double in a couple of years). I think Guido88 has used them more recently so maybe he can chime in. Or you can do a search, a few other members of this board (or similar boards) have used them.

Concerning cost and services in general, FKKs are nowadays a better option than Moscow if you're new to the scene and don't speak Russian. I've been to Russia for years, and time have changed. The golden age of Moscow is over as far as I'm concerned. The time where you can get a tochka girl for overnight for less than 100 USD, with BBBJ, kissing and even anal, are definitely gone. It's harder and harder to get BBBJ and "anal included" in Russia today (OK, last year, haven't been back since but I doubt the trend has reversed direction). You can't even find a decent looking girl in a tochka now, and an overnight with a pick-up girl from a club doesn't last more than 3-4 hours.

Jim

Jim

At this point P4P in Moscow is out of my price range. Last trip I substituted Thailand for Moscow and found good values. It’s hard for me to pay ludicrous amounts of money for a woman.

My most recent reports came from Firebird and I think Jake or one of his buddies may have used them. Firebird spoke highly of the experience. If I remember right Jake did as well.

Sounds as though the website may not be quite as reliable as it once was. There have been complaints of short time, false photos and bait and switch.

Key thing for the newbies to remember is if the girl at the door is not what you ordered send her back with cab fare and move on.

Make it clear to the girl that leaving early is simply not an option.

Guido88

[Guido88]

The problem is, I did. If you take much of the FF at face value you'd think the Moscow P2P scene has prices that are twice as high as Germany and the Netherlands (countries with about five times the average income, I may add). Strictly as an outsider, it would seem to indicate an "expensive taste" on the of many of the self-declared Moscow experts.



OMG, what have you been smoking? My remarks were dripping with sarchasm, alluding to the risks that Shelby seems to think is such a big problem. Kindly don't turn it back on me.

Priamos


The problem with Pay 4 Play in Moscow is that in a few short years pricing has skyrocketed, along with diminished performance by the girls. They now believe they can charge ridicules rates, provide shitty service and leave early.

This has changed by mongers now throwing piles of cash for something the old timers were paying $75.00- 150.00 a night for prime pussy as recently as 2005

At this point Moscow is much pricier than Western Europe. Part of it is too much money in Moscow, the other is that mongers are neither shopping nor negotiating to get the best deals.

As Strav pointed out if you take the easy path it will cost more. Even on my 1st trip speaking zero Russian I got on the computer and phone and shopped until I found what I was looking for. Out of 20 calls 18 may have been unsuccessful but the other 2 were awesome.

By nature the Russian women have IMHO been subservient and quite willing to please. The newbies overpay and let the girls get away with things that an experienced monger or Russian man would not.

P4P in Moscow is now a very expensive addiction. It is a shame to see it deteriorate so quickly.

As to what I have been smoking. Well it is harvest season….. I am guilty on that one.

Apologies for missing your sarcasm.

It did irritate me that there was a lack of appreciation for Shelby’s input.

Guido88

[Iching]

Gandjim,

The flight club in moscow, the girls there were asking as much as $600 for the night. And its the same in st petersburgh. why the girls there are asking for so much is beyond me, and on top of all that you have to have a visa and an invitation form for the Hotel you book to go to Russia. So the same for me, the one time and only time i ever went to Russia.

[GandJim]

Thanks Jim for the links, you or anybody knows actually how much is the price for one hour of escort to hotel ?

I haven't used Girls-Students and Diana Escort for years, it was back in the time I spoke not a word in Russian (and price can double in a couple of years). I think Guido88 has used them more recently so maybe he can chime in. Or you can do a search, a few other members of this board (or similar boards) have used them.

Concerning cost and services in general, FKKs are nowadays a better option than Moscow if you're new to the scene and don't speak Russian. I've been to Russia for years, and time have changed. The golden age of Moscow is over as far as I'm concerned. The time where you can get a tochka girl for overnight for less than 100 USD, with BBBJ, kissing and even anal, are definitely gone. It's harder and harder to get BBBJ and "anal included" in Russia today (OK, last year, haven't been back since but I doubt the trend has reversed direction). You can't even find a decent looking girl in a tochka now, and an overnight with a pick-up girl from a club doesn't last more than 3-4 hours.

Jim