Moscow

[Passepartout]

Sorry guys, but i have to write a good report about hotdog.

It is not a favorite place for me in dispite of the fact that i live 100 meters near HD.

But last time, beers with a friend a home, too tired to try the non-paying market, so we decided to have a beer at HD.

After a beer or 2, i found a red/brown hair girl, seated alone with a coffee, a little bit bored. I sat with her and with started to discussed. After 30 minutes, i found out that we were laughing and keep on laughing, and at that moment she suddenly said to me "do you know why the girls are here" ... i obviously answered positively, and then she said "13 000 rubles".
I didn't answer anything, we continued to talk and started to kiss, and then she said "please let's go for 11 000 rubles" .Then i said immediately yes, as she was really beautifuL, with stars in the eyes and apparently a great (thin) body.

We went home and it was a really great sex party without limit (except covered BJ ..at the beggining...:-), lot of kisses, everything. Before leaving she told me "take my phone number, my best friend is on vacation right now but we want to try a threesome party .."

Since that night, we keep on exchanging some SMS... worth the 11 000 initiam investment imho.

It doesn't say that the place is great. It only says that sometimes you can still be lucky here for a still reasonable price.

[BillyRayJim]

Which means without.

What does our high monger Bez word play on Bezarra mean?

Is it a bezed for of bizarre?

[Stravinsky]

Chances are, she wants a preservatif on everything.

If you are willing to wade through a Russian website, try intimcity.ru instead. It will list whether or not the girl expects to use a condom for the BJ. Look to see of the Минет в презервативе (BJ with a condom) box is checked.

BTW, the Russian word for BJ is минет.

[BillyRayJim]

In devochki.ru on the individual girl's pages, right above the prices for hour and night is a line that says "use of a condom:" followed by "necessary" or "not neccessary", all according to rustran.com.

The question is, to what does this pertain? Is it to oral with condom/without (OW/OWO) or is it protectected/unprotected intercourse? Or both?

[Dogger862]

I think you pay for it one way or the other anyway, be it financially or emotionally. Freebies aren't necessarily free...

IMO language skills provides the means to have access to a much larger pool of opportunity - you're not stuck with only those who can speak your language. Also, it means that you can hunt further afield than just Moscow or St.Pete, with the confidence that you can handle most situations.

Jake, thanks for the tip on Papas...students, my favourite!

Cheers

[Jake993]

Finally, if as an expat you speak Russian, you don't ever have to pay for sex, unless you fancy the experience.

100% bang on. And it does not even have to be good Russian. Just smile and make an effort. BTW - Papas on Monday night is Student Night. Wall to wall students with a 5:1 female to male ratio.

[Stavvrrooss]

To make a long story short, as this topic has been covered in hundreds of posts. Within the context in which I'm young and very attractive, I worked my ass of to negotiate smth better than USD 400, and I got the oldest chick in the place to go for 350 USD. If any of you guys get better, cheers to you!

It was always the same story: "our rule is that we don; t go below 500 USD, all girls agreed to it, and won't go for less". In reality the rule is "start at 500 and go as low as USD 400", or at least that's the impression I got. BTW, that gets you 2 hours of sex.

I strongly recommend "mamba" or "meetme. Ru", same shit going under different names, you can get laid for 80-100 USD/hour and if you search right you can get same quality as nighflight.

If you don; t care about cash and have 500-1000 USD/night to spend, I strongly recommend you go to Nightflight, huge selection, some of the girls are stunning, if you are on a budget, try ONLINE (mamba or websites).

Finally, if as an expat you speak Russian, you don't ever have to pay for sex, unless you fancy the experience.

[Stravinsky]

Jake,

It's too bad about Hot Dog's, it was a fun place at one point. Strange that the management would let it go to hell like that, it can't be helping their business.

Good to hear that you are back in the motherland again. Do keep us updated when you have a chance.

[Climaxnow]

"Hardcore ho's with bad attitude".

That is exactly as I saw it.

[Jake993]

Against better judgement and counsel, I went to Hot Dog's (aka Boar house, aka Chesterfield's) last night. It was shit. Checked my coat, moved to the middle part of the bar and got a beer. Chatted with the bartender and the girls moved in. Maybe I am just jaded but there did not seem to be the LEAST bit of seduction involved. I felt like I was at an Oriental Bazaar and without so much as little small talk (pick a language) I was propositioned for no less than 400 Euros for the night. Believing that it was bargain banter, I tried to play the game and do some negotiating but things seemed to be getting confrontational. It seemed a but strange until I spied "Olga the c*nt".

Yes guys - she appears to be the new Queen Bee at Hot Dog's. I have a bad personal history with her so I thought it might be just me. But after observing for a while, several of the less experienced girls were coming to her for advice on how to handle those of us who do not accept their prices on first offer.

I don't mean to be an asshole about this but from what I could observe, this bit*ch is acting as coach to about 12 girls who were on her "team". For those who don't know Olga the c*nt, she is a very pleasant looking lady who, on first glance, appears to be about 25 years old but after a closer look, it's clear that she's closer to about 35. She has long medium brown hair with a very pleasant smile and sort of a "girl-next-door" face. Her skin is fairly pale and she seems to favor dresses that reveal her shoulders. She's actually quite nice to look at but she should be avoided. She the kind of girl who promises a wild night of sexual delights until the sun comes up but after the first pop she runs off to the bathroom and comes out fully clothed with cell phone in hand with some bullshit excuse about having to go home early. Many of you know what I am talking about. We don't need her giving the rest of the girls a seminar on how to extract more money for less effort.

Anyhow - I'm ranting now but let me join the long list of ISG members who say that this is the LAST time I am going to Hot Dog's. It used to be a cool place to go for a beer or to watch Sunday Night Football, but the girls have gotten so aggressive and so greedy that it's not much fun at all. There used to be a fair share of semi-pros who made the place fun but it seems to have been taken over by some hard core Ho's who have a bad attitude. It's just not fun anymore. If you want to check it out and have a beer on the odd chance that some provincalka looking to earn some extra cash has stumbled in and is willing to play the game - fine. But don't get your hopes up.

Jake out

[Stravinsky]

Toto,

You're right, every post enriches our store of knowledge and I'm sure there is a diverse enough membership here in the Moscow forum to benefit from advice and experience at all levels. I just couldn't figure out how you became an expert on Russian mongering, society and culture in 3 days. That's all.

However, the girls in Moscow do know their going rate quite well and I am only talking about the really hot girls which are a 9 or 10.

In fact, the girls in the clubs in moscow tend to ignore westerner guests because they are known to be cheap.

Russian men usually spend 10 times as much in nightclubs.

So you see, there is also damage that can be done by being too cheap all the time.

it does not make sense to negotiate too much. Negotiating down every cent can be a wrong start for the night in this respect.

[Toto001]

Well, what say here you would like to hear was actually everything I was saying in my report. I did not write the report as an expert. Also I did not write the report for people who consider themselves as experts to the scene in moscow. I wrote it from one occasional visitor on a business trip to the next one. So people who will read and will follow my path will know what to expect. By the way, I doubt that any of you guys will be able to negotiate down the prices at this night club. They are fixed. You do not even negotiate with the girl. You will have to deal with the waitor. So it is a go. No go decision. And here comes into account the time. Knowing that it is one of the last occasions that you have on this trip you may decide to go for the fixed price in that club. I doubt it will have any influence on the prices outside the clubs. Especially since this club seems to be one of the premium clubs in Moscow. At Nightflight the girls quoted prices of 400 USD. If I would have met a girl there that I liked I would certainly not pay her 1000. But if she quotes 500 and I can settle her down to like 400, which seems fair, then I would not try to negotiate much further down given that the girl is a cutie. I would in this case be afraid that it would have a detrimetal impact on the service.

To all you experts. Please consider that there may be also occasional mongerers reading the reports here and they would like to know what they have to expect in the one or other club. From my report these guys learned that you have to put in some money if you go there, but that the girls are well looking. If you plan to take a girl home and you are not willing to spend 1. 000 USD on it, you might want to choose some other club. I think this is pretty informative

I have no problem with guys telling us how they dropped thousands of Dollars/Euros on a CBJ from a "9" or "10". It's their money and it's their business. More power to them.

I do have a problem with someone who has only been in Moscow once or twice (by his own admission), pretending to be some kind of expert on mongering in Russia. Why? Why not just be honest? "Hey guys, I have no idea what I'm doing, but let me tell you what happened. I went to this club and picked up one of the most gorgeous babes I've ever met and she took me to the moon and back. "

Now that's a story I'd like to hear!

It's also important for other guys reading this forum to understand that this is NOT normal pricing, or behavior, in Moscow.

[Dogger862]

The mamba database also powers other "dating" sites like Rambler.

And yes, you can find girls on there who will интим за деньги and also Хочу найти спонсора (looking for sponsor). Unlike Western dating/sex sites the girls on Mamba generally mean what they write.

The girls also respond to your messages (in the main) and/or contact you !

If you are going to spend any meaningful time in Russia, get on-line, make a profile and you won't look back.

Cheers

[Stravinsky]

Mamba is a website.

http://www.mamba.ru/

I don't know this for sure, but it's been reported that you can find women there who will actually have sex with you for money!

[Member #4369]

Hi guys,

Can someone explain what 'Mamba' is? I have seen some references in the posts but didn't get the jist--is it a website, or a place?

Also, if anyone has a moment, can you do a 2 minute, bullet point summary of the best places to pick up-pay-for-play in Moscow these days?

Thanks,

RoP