Moscow

[DramaFree11]

Just a quick thought, I would definitely avoid Moscow during there holiday break, December 28th-January 10th, 70% of the people I know are out of town or on there way out.

My detailed report will follow shortly!!

[Jbob084]

Anyone visited Vanilia erotic massage salon recently? Feedback would be much appreciated.

[DramaFree11]

Been having a chat in the FKK Lounge that led me to outline pricing for all the venues I've been to: US, Brazil, Spain, UK, Germany, Thailand, China, Japan, NZ / AU.

When I put it on paper Moscow was quite expensive (if you go the strip club route with bar fine etc) which surprised me. Don't get me wrong I had a great time and CzarNicholas is patently insane. But it was expensive.

I just wonder where else you have been that makes you conclude Moscow is tops? For 10 years I had German FKK as untouchable until I went to Brazil this year! 😀.

1. Lived in Kiev, was great 10 years ago, now it is terrible waste of money and resources.

2. Germany and Tijuana cool places short term.

3. Major Cities in Mexico can be great places. Lived in Tijuana, MTY, GDL, M. City.

4. I was in Colombia for 3 months not for me, I understand why some guys would like it, and I will leave it that.

5. Rio visited too dangerous, dirty and the food sucked (way overpriced) Even more over-rated then Kiev, and that is saying a lot.

6. Asia I have no interested in going. Love Mexico and Russia, no need to change.

Expensive, I do not agree, but I have no problem paying $200 for high quality girls. No clocking watching. Last 2 girls I almost had to tell them to leave, because I was meeting another girl or I was going to the Clubs. I still have not been to the strip clubs the last 2 visits. I have been able to meet enough girls the following ways. Night Clubs, Computer, the High End Agency I listed in previous posting. You can also read about prices I have paid in Moscow. For me I would prefer to work a little harder in America and have High Quality and Educated Girls. The Sky is the limit in Moscow, just depends on your game and pocket book.

I hope this help.

[Chezz]

You know it brother. This moronic #MeToo movement is going too far. This witch is advocating using the US legal system to prosecute these guys for things which may or may not have actually take place in Russia 20 years ago. But then, I suppose that only stands to reason if Uncle Sam can tax your worldwide income then he can follow your every move overseas and prosecute you for bad behavior regardless of whether or not it's illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.ba95830546ac

Oh, for fuck sake, another sanctimonious piece of shit former expat "journalist" who had her feeling hurt. Christ, she was living in a Moscow that was straight out of a scene from the Blade Runner. What did she expect? Thanks, Jake, I'm glad there are others that remember.

Mark, Matt, Kino Kevin and Jake all made the trip to my little gorod to see what all the fuss was about. Matt even wrote an article about his excursion. (I deleted the story....fear the me too posse). Russians had / have a different view of sex than those in the west, especially the puritanically fucked-up USA.

I ramble because Russia hasn't changed much regarding sex workers; there are plenty. But as you say, you just need to put in some work. The upside is it's so easy to get around now, comparatively speaking. I also remember Lukasek's reporting from the provinces. That dude really worked! Now it's so much easier to buy train tickets, book hotels, etc. The Russian Railway system, especially, has really gotten their shit together. I just purchased a ticket online on the Sapsan bullet train. Buying train tickets in the past required knowledge of conversational Russian and a shit ton of patience. The web site is even in English!

Long live the eXile!!

[Riina]

I live in a US city with many Eastern Europeans. Their options with sex work have become very limited. So when they meet a good customer, it's in their interest to develop a relationship beyond something just transactional. As most know their career will be short. Most agencies are dying, but a few talented local pimps are thriving. When I say post Fosta / Sesta is great, it's a nuanced thing particular to my city. It's been death pretty much everywhere else.

[Steve 9696]

What is fosta / sesta?

F / S is a new law in the use that has huge prison terms for even accidentally encouraging trafficking or [CodeWord903] providers. So pretty much every useful legitimate multi-girl outlet has shit down. A few have moved offshore but it's still perilous. And the best sites for reviews are gone.

It has generally had the effect of damaging legitimate relatively safe prostitution in the US. So that is why I am curious to understand the positive outcome the OP references.

[Uncle Volodya]

What is fosta / sesta?

[Jake993]

I use to be of the thinking that I missed a golden age of mongering in Russia. I don't think that way anymore. I get it, before the internet, quality girls would concentrate in venues that were accessible to foreigners. Now, it's just low quality at high prices. Russian girls have way more options now on line that has just about frozen out all traveling foreigners.

Riina, your points are well taken. I think the key words in your post is "traveling foreigners". If you are a sex tourist breezing through town, you are going to pay way too much and or end up being quite frustrated.

FACT: There are no fewer hot Russian girls now than there were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

FACT: These girls are no less horny and hungry for sex now than they were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

FACT: These available and horny Russian girls DO most definitely have options and are not widely available to foreigners with a few bucks in their pockets like there were 20 years ago during the so called "Golden Age".

The sad truth is that if you want to enjoy Moscow (and most of Russia for that matter) to the fullest as a monger, you need to be prepared to invest a little time. I remember this fellow ISG member a few years back. I seem to recall his ISG handle was "Lukasek". Man, he had an adventure. He went off into the small towns of Western Russia and started going to all of the local bars and night clubs. He got more pussy than he could handle. I'm not suggesting that we all run off to the Russian hinterland, but if you are considering a mongering trip to Russia and only have a short time to spend, you might want to re-think your plans and dramatically re-set your expectations.

Just saying.

[Steve 9696]

On the plane back to Moscow. I will be there until the 31st anyone wants to meet up send me a message.

Been having a chat in the FKK Lounge that led me to outline pricing for all the venues I've been to: US, Brazil, Spain, UK, Germany, Thailand, China, Japan, NZ / AU.

When I put it on paper Moscow was quite expensive (if you go the strip club route with bar fine etc) which surprised me. Don't get me wrong — I had a great time and CzarNicholas is patently insane. But it was expensive.

I just wonder where else you have been that makes you conclude Moscow is tops? For 10 years I had German FKK as untouchable — until I went to Brazil this year! 😀.

[Steve 9696]

Post Fosta / Sesta in the US has been the best mongering time of my life. I never could have imagined so many Euro escorts friending me and so open to girlfriend sex.

Sorry. Lost the thread here. How is Fosta / Sesta good?

[Riina]

I use to be of the thinking that I missed a golden age of mongering in Russia. I don't think that way anymore. I get it, before the internet, quality girls would concentrate in venues that were accessible to foreigners. Now, it's just low quality at high prices. Russian girls have way more options now on line that has just about frozen out all traveling foreigners.

Post Fosta / Sesta in the US has been the best mongering time of my life. I never could have imagined so many Euro escorts friending me and so open to girlfriend sex.

[DramaFree11]

On the plane back to Moscow. I will be there until the 31st anyone wants to meet up send me a message.

[Jake993]

As an aside, I feel a little sad for how much shit those guys are still taking for the writing they did. That newspaper and book was legendary. And their club and restaurant reviews were totally spot-on.

You know it brother. This moronic #MeToo movement is going too far. This witch is advocating using the US legal system to prosecute these guys for things which may or may not have actually take place in Russia 20 years ago. But then, I suppose that only stands to reason if Uncle Sam can tax your worldwide income then he can follow your every move overseas and prosecute you for bad behavior regardless of whether or not it's illegal.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlo...=.ba95830546ac

[Jake993]

..... I felt like if the world was ending, this is where I wanted to be.......

Ha ha ha too true.

[Chezz]

Gosh how I do miss Safari Lodge. I walked by a few months ago and almost shed a tear. It was the very definition of a lap dancing club. << heavy sigh.

That's where I spent the evening of 9/11. I felt like if the world was ending, this is where I wanted to be. And you're right about the lap-dances. Back in the day they were fully nude and 100 rubles, but not every dancer was a working girl. It was a great hang. I used to go there with one of the guys from the eXile. As an aside, I feel a little sad for how much shit those guys are still taking for the writing they did. That newspaper and book was legendary. And their club and restaurant reviews were totally spot-on.