Moscow

[Aibolit]

I'd add that Aibolit obviously leaved too quickly. In a club, impatience is your worst enemy.

A relaxed attitude and just the right dose of aloofness takes you far. Haste and agitation don't.

YMMV though.

Completely agree. My problem (pardon my psycho analysis) is not the lack of aloofness, but the excess of it. I am always going alone and when I do I tend to just watch and not act, as I find almost every girl somewhat unworthy of my effort. I also like people to approach me and not the other way around. I know it's silly, I know. I am much more audacious and less discerning when in a company, but I rarely am.

[Aibolit]

Che is a good place to pick up chicks and there is usually action there, however most girls run in the 6-7 category. They purposely keep the young kids 18-21 out of there and try catering to a more monied crowd.

Thank you, Dr. Skank, for the tip. If I'm on a long trip to Moscow, I may venture to kill my next day by arriving to the Che party at 1:30 am. However, given that I love very young beauty and don't drink much, 6-7 category of >21 y.o. girls at Che will make my suffering too costly, I afraid.

This time, however, I'm coming for a short time. So, any place you know where some stunners can be found and approached?

Also, given the fickle nature of the freebie effort, I wonder if Sauna is something that one can consider. The ideal will be to spend half a day in a nice sauna, eating, drinking and you know what with a couple of very good looking young girls that will be both uninhibited and not too expensive. Is this something that is in the realm of possibility? Do Saunas have line ups to choose from? If so, how are these line ups compared to the Salons, both in talent and cost?

I hope to write a more upbeat report after my upcoming trip is over. Best,

Aibolit

[AColonizer]

Thanks for the report. It is important people write their experiences. Moreover, I need to underline that 6000 rubles are 150 euros, and this is not good bargain at all. I would like to receive a reply by masters "where is crisis (in Moscow)?".

This hotel had lost its casino since introduction of a new law against casino in Moscow. Today, there are offering some attractive rates for the rooms – I ‘m using to pay between 3’900 and 4’200 for a double room – and they guaranteed us no more than 5’000RUB. Per night with breakfast and all taxes.

This hotel located in Kosygin street (ул. Косыгина ) is “girls friendly”, no problem to bring someone at any time –

Inside you can find 911 Erotic Club and, depending of the day, there could be a lot of working girls for “room service”. These girls should work for a shift of 9 hours long and are strictly monitored and supervised by a “mama-san”.

The best price you can get for one hour of basic service is 6’000RUB, half (3’000RUB) is going to the pocket of the “mama-san”.

Depending of your negotiation skills (and if you speak a little bit Russian…..) the basic service could include
• BBBJ
• Classical Sex
• French Kisses
All others options are extra costs; normally 1’000RUB for anal or for CIM if the girl is willing to do.
The price is for one hour / one shot.

[Scoubidou]

This hotel had lost its casino since introduction of a new law against casino in Moscow. Today, there are offering some attractive rates for the rooms – I ‘m using to pay between 3’900 and 4’200 for a double room – and they guaranteed us no more than 5’000RUB. Per night with breakfast and all taxes.

This hotel located in Kosygin street (ул. Косыгина ) is “girls friendly”, no problem to bring someone at any time –

Inside you can find 911 Erotic Club and, depending of the day, there could be a lot of working girls for “room service”. These girls should work for a shift of 9 hours long and are strictly monitored and supervised by a “mama-san”.

The best price you can get for one hour of basic service is 6’000RUB, half (3’000RUB) is going to the pocket of the “mama-san”.
Depending of your negotiation skills (and if you speak a little bit Russian…..) the basic service could include
• BBBJ
• Classical Sex
• French Kisses
All others options are extra costs; normally 1’000RUB for anal or for CIM if the girl is willing to do.
The price is for one hour / one shot.

[Prosal]

A couple of hints however:

I'd add that Aibolit obviously leaved too quickly. In a club, impatience is your worst enemy.

A relaxed attitude and just the right dose of aloofness takes you far. Haste and agitation don't.

YMMV though.

[Doctor_Skank]

On another topic - I did try to find freebies in the style of Dr. Skank. I went to Che and was disappointed by talent there. No stunners. I also went to Karma and didn't find stunners there, or close to it. Perhaps, I left too early (11-12 at night - I don't like to ruine the next day by going to be too late)? In any case, the combination of bad luck and my general lack of agility to pick up girls when I'm alone may have contributed to my glaring failure. Perhaps, I should go to another club this time to try my luck. Freebies is really what my heart desires...

Best to all. Aibolit

No worries Aibolit. I strike out a lot too...

There is nothing automatic about clubbing or picking up freebies.

A couple of hints however:

11-12 pm is too early for any club. You can usually only tell about 1.30 am if a club has potential.

It also helps that by 1.30-2 am your drink starts setting in and 6s become 7s, 7s become 8s and 8s becoming smoking hot sexbombs.

I have no idea if Karma is any good, haven't been there in a long time.

Che is a good place to pick up chicks and there is usually action there, however most girls run in the 6-7 category. They purposely keep the young kids 18-21 out of there and try catering to a more monied crowd. Still, it is one of the best clubs in Moscow in terms of having a good time. My only major beef there is that it is very well known on the expat circuit, lots of them. The good thing is most of them go home by 2am... just when the party there gets started. )

[Aibolit]

This report is about my visit to Charmel few months ago (sorry for the delay).

For the record, I can speak Russian relatively fluently and was very much helped by this forum in zooming on 3 salons: Charmel, Fantasys and Elite Tv. I chose Charmel for some reason and was pleased with it. As this was my first visit to a Moscow salon, I was prepared for the worst. Yet, the service was quite professional in terms of discretion, girls, and amenities. 4000 rubles for an hour, I believe.

I may have been lucky with a girl, as she was friendly. I was put off by a refusal to do uncovered BJ and let my fingers inside her VJJ. Aside from that, she's was quite charming and looked much better than on the photo on their website. Given my preference for fresh-faced, 18-22 year olds with perfect figure and baby face - this is a complement for this salon.

Cons - the entire meeting me on the street and escorting me in routine was a bit off putting. I selected a girl (Masha) from ~7 girls, but no one asked me what I prefer and provided me with recommendations. Given that they did talk to me deliberately after the session to solicit my comments, I was surpirsed that they didn't consider asking a client what he wants BEFORE he sees the girls.

I may be in Moscow soon and consider trying Fantasy's, as they moved to better location I hear. Are there other places that people here would recommend, given my above-mentioned preference of girls?

On another topic - I did try to find freebies in the style of Dr. Skank. I went to Che and was disappointed by talent there. No stunners. I also went to Karma and didn't find stunners there, or close to it. Perhaps, I left too early (11-12 at night - I don't like to ruine the next day by going to be too late)? In any case, the combination of bad luck and my general lack of agility to pick up girls when I'm alone may have contributed to my glaring failure. Perhaps, I should go to another club this time to try my luck. Freebies is really what my heart desires...

Best to all. Aibolit

[CastOnThis]

Has anybody ever tried out Russian sexbombs? It's an internet site but I couldn't find anything over them. I heard that the site is a fake. But I was wondering if any of you knew if it was or not?

[Nickc]

In my experience it varies by city.

Re: Mamba -totally agree. It varies by city. Moscow was not good. But for myself and a fellow member, Vladivostok has been good for mamba.
It appears girls are more genuine mamba users in some smaller cities.

[Doctor_Skank]

I'm with you 100% there, Mattador. I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing. In the end, I find it's much easier to chat up a girl in a club. And then you at least know (Wonderbra and beer goggles aside) more-or-less what you're getting.

In my experience it varies by city.

Moscow- worst. Many, many prostitutes. That's not a bad thing per se, but since many are fronting for salons or using false advertising, not so cool. The freebie type are often serial surfers, meaning they just enjoy the attention and chit-chat and are only vaguely interested in meeting. A waste of time, especially since I have lost the nerve to do the serial dating thing. It produced a lot of freebie (relatively speaking) sex, but was boring with time. Clubs or street game are more fun.

Kiev- best. Lot's of freebies and cheap $50-70/hour pros that come to your apartment.

Odessa- terrible. Crawling with haggard and cold pros.

St.Petersburg- average. Met some good freebies (another one as recently as 2 weeks ago) as well as good pros there. Some false advertising, but well within parameters.

Regional cities- average. Often the best way to get first contact in a new city.

Bear in mind this is talking about the 18-25 girls. I imagine the countless 30+ crowd is more available and will be mostly true freebies just looking for some light in their lives. Not been my thing yet though among Russian girls. ))

[Doctor_Skank]

There are a lot of point ( tochka in russian ) where they are, in this forum to pick up tochka is not so common as it was about 4 years ago, so not much updated info.

In my opinion the golden age of tochka ended when they cracked down on the Ukrainian and Moldovan girls and forced them out of the business (or into other branches or deportation) about 6 years ago. After that prices went up and service went down.

[Kino Kino]

Has someone used this site?

http://www.moscow-escortmodels.com/

[Chercheur]

I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing.

Last summer, I was in Moscow and I did spend some time on mamba. I found pros and semi-pros working apparently on their own (When I say semi-pro, I mean a girl that have a regular job and is escorting on a regular basis).

For me it was fun to chase them on mamba and to meet them in their home or in a small apartment in the suburbs. I found several ones that were really worth the time spend on mamba, I even plan to visit them on my next trip to Moscow.

Of course I had to speak a little Russian as most of them don't speak any other language and the most difficult part was when I had to understand them on the phone (several times I used a taxi driver).

As regard to tochkas, I would be glad to get more information. I heard that some tochkas where in metro stations. Is that true? Which metro station?

Thanks to Jackson and to all those who write information on this forum, it is a great help!

[Eros74]

...I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing....

Privetik Pizdyets,

if you came with nothing, considering you live in Moscow or you are there often, know the city, speak I guess russian better than my english so.... I could easily delete my account there

Seriously in 2004-2005 I got a lot from mamba, actually....waste of time despite some exercise of communicating in russian

[Pizdyets]

I don't think it's worth the effort. Real-life, I mean the normal clubs/bars, provides higher chances to get laid.

I'm with you 100% there, Mattador. I wasted a lot of time on mamba and came up with essentially nothing. In the end, I find it's much easier to chat up a girl in a club. And then you at least know (Wonderbra and beer goggles aside) more-or-less what you're getting.