Moscow

[HarryDubois]

I was in Moscow just a few days ago. I visited 8 strip clubs and 3 restaurants. I saw just a few foreigners like me during my 3-day trip.

What is attitude toward Americans at this time in Moscow? Are we the enemy who is destroying the Russian economy or it's not a problem?

I'm curious because the US State Department is advising Americans not to go to Russia and if you are already there, leave immediately.

[WadPro]

All my business trips to Russia have been cancelled again for obvious reasons.

Are there any foreigners there right now? How are you handling money given the restrictions on banking there?

Has anyone entered after the sanctions, and if so, what did you bring in terms of cold hard cash?

I will likely try to visit after the summer when things are more stable, but want to make preparations in the meantime.

I was in Moscow just a few days ago. I visited 8 strip clubs and 3 restaurants. I saw just a few foreigners like me during my 3-day trip.

Foreign credit cards do not work. So you have to bring cash (USD or EUR) then exchange it.

Hotels and restaurants never accept foreign currencies, but strip clubs do.

Duty free stores accept USD & EUR.

I heard that Russian cyberbank issues nameless debit cards for foreigners especially for those who don't want to go around with considerable amount of cash.

And if you run out of your money, there will be no chance to transfer money to Russia. Therefore, you should bring much more money than you expect to spend. The max amount you may bring is 10 K USD.

You need to bring the small white immigration paper with you when you go to an exchange office. Otherwise they exchange money up to $400 only.

[VinDici]

All my business trips to Russia have been cancelled again for obvious reasons.

Are there any foreigners there right now? How are you handling money given the restrictions on banking there?

Has anyone entered after the sanctions, and if so, what did you bring in terms of cold hard cash?

I will likely try to visit after the summer when things are more stable, but want to make preparations in the meantime.

[WadPro]

Firstly, I visited 6-strip network (Loft, Hunters, Penthouse, Aurora, Notch, Angels) at my first two nights. There are some common things about these clubs.

First, all girls are dancing fully naked contrary to the strip clubs in Ukraine. All the girls have shaved pussy, I wish there were some girls with a little hairy pussy by the way.

Second, private dance is 3.000 rubles, it includes only 1 song, but if you wait for a parade show when all the girls come together on the stage you can have private dance for 2 songs for the same price.

Third, having sex with girls is approximately 19.000-20.000 rubles including room fees. But you should bargain whether the girl will accept condomless blowjob, some girls never accept it whereas some others do it for extra money.

Most of the girls are rotating between the clubs, so sometimes the location of the beautiful girls might change night by night.

Saturday nights are horrible, every club is crowd on Saturdays. Try to go to the clubs weekdays.

Let me give you some brief info about these clubs.

Loft: Crowded with mostly local customers and the girls were average. I left after 1 hour without having a private dance.

Hunters: It doesn't look like an ordinary strip club, it looks like a huge bar, it's very bright place not dark as a regular strip club. But I liked the design of the club, there's a Harley Davidson on the stage but it was also crowded with local guys, I had a private dance with a busty girl with natural tits, but I didn't have sex with her because she refused to give me condomless blowjob despite I offered extra money as tip.

Angels: Comparatively small club with 30 average girls approximately, I didn't take any girl and left after half an hour.

Aurora: I think it's the best club among the network clubs. I saw a very young blonde girl with charming face and cute nose. I invited her then had sex with her in three different positions. There was a shower in the room and I was very satisfied. Then I went to the notch.

Notch: There were maybe 40 girls, most of them were average and they were really pushy like vultures, I saw a few hot girls, then I took 2 girls at the same time and they did lesbo show for me in a hotel room upstairs, they kissed each other in the lips, then sucked their boobs and licked their pussies. It was like a live porn show. While I was sucking one girl's boobs, the other one was sucking my cock without condom. Then they gave me blowjob together, while one was licking my balls the other one was sucking my dick. They even tried to fist each other (my fantasy) by using some lubricant but they did it partially. I really liked it. Then I went back to the club, and after 2 hours and I took another girl to my hotel. After having sex with three girls, I was really tired and I could fuck her only once And she left the hotel as soon as I slept. My advice don't pay so much money ($500) to take the girl out, just fuck them in the club.

Penthouse: Mostly average girls but I saw two really beautiful girls and I had a private dance with her.

Zazhigalka is a low class place and not good for tourists. Private dance is cheaper (2.000) but I didn't like the environment. One more thing, when I said "Zazhigalka" to the taxi driver he offered me cigarette and lighter. I guess it means cigarette or lighter in Russian. Keep in mind that.

Golden Girls is an upscale place and the girls were mostly beautiful. Entrance is 6. 000 and it covers two private dances. I knew that they don't provide sex services like the 6-strip network clubs but the problem was the girls didn't even allow me to kiss their tits. I insisted on but she said "the rules" as soon as I heard this I said "I'm leaving" canceled the dance and left the club. And before leaving I asked them "how will you compete with the other clubs by not allowing customers to kiss tits whereas the other clubs offer sex. And I was the only customer in the club at 11 pm.

[Penetrador]

The night flight club is permanently closed.

Why is it closed? How about Aorora?

[WadPro]

The night flight club is permanently closed.

Guys don't waste your time with these apps. Visit websites where you can find pros in Russian, agencies, and places where you can find prostitutes (nightclubs, bars, restaurants):

Example: a restaurant in Moscow with prostitutes:

https://www.tripadvisor.ru/ShowUserR...al_Russia.html

For your information, I met women who were on mamba in the local population. I understood that you find on tinder and mamba all the women that nobody wants to fuck. It is plain and simple. By the way, I think the problem is worldwide with Tinder. I think this app is incredibly overrated and I think it is a scam.

[TonyBBB]

So, because of the war in Ukraine, I guess that no one will post here for some time.

In a past thread, I promised I would provide a link to a blog article with camgirl websites that allow you to buy or get the instagram, snap, whatsapp of a camgirl.

Here we go:

https://venusa.day/social-media-camgirl-account/

I'd like to add something, there is nothing better than an email address to exchange private information. So, if you make an offer to a camgirl on Instagram, also provide a disposable email address in the message.

Here is the full process:

Get the social media from the camgirl = you send her the offer on the social media = she answers you yes or no = if she says no: you end the message by saying: "OK, bb if you change your mind send me a message here (email).".

Are the Moscow strip clubs all open? Any price changes yet?

[Henri Dufresne]

So, because of the war in Ukraine, I guess that no one will post here for some time.

In a past thread, I promised I would provide a link to a blog article with camgirl websites that allow you to buy or get the instagram, snap, whatsapp of a camgirl.

Here we go:

https://venusa.day/social-media-camgirl-account/

I'd like to add something, there is nothing better than an email address to exchange private information. So, if you make an offer to a camgirl on Instagram, also provide a disposable email address in the message.

Here is the full process:

Get the social media from the camgirl = you send her the offer on the social media = she answers you yes or no = if she says no: you end the message by saying: "OK, bb if you change your mind send me a message here (email)."

Emails are really great because it is better than a notification.

[Henri Dufresne]

I like the way you put yourself into this.

At which point do you mention the amount of money you are willing to pay for a meeting?

Once you are subscribed to her Instagram, snapchat, telegram. It is the time to send your price offer.

I discourage people to send a price offer on a camgirl website because the camgirl knows somebody else can read this price offer. For instance an employee of a camgirl website or a studio employee can read the private messages exchanged between a camgirl and a user. On the other hand, the private messages of Instagram, snap are safe.

I want to add something. The pictures of a camgirl shared on her instagram account also helps to see if she is a good option or not. For example, I saw that a woman shared picture where she flirted with another woman. I think she was an undercover lesbo. So, I unsubscribe. When I feel that something is wrong with a woman, I also take her out from my instagram account. Look for quality not quantity.

Some Russian women are from Siberia. It is worst buying them a flight ticket to Moscow.

[Desin]

I like the way you put yourself into this.

At which point do you mention the amount of money you are willing to pay for a meeting?

[Henri Dufresne]

I want to continue this thread because I have a lot of things to say. Some times ago, I found a blog where they described how to get in touch with camgirls for little money. I will try to find the link and post it again.

Experienced camgirls vs non experienced camgirls: Some young camgirls sound very greedy and arrogant, they may ask you for more money than experienced camgirls.

I don't think it is a good thing to talk about your offer on a cam website. It is always better to talk about it once you interact with her on a social media. There are many reasons why a camgirl will not tell you that she agrees on sex against money during a cam show on a camgirl website. Their chatrooms can be monitored by 1/ studio employees and 2/ website employees (possibly via team viewer). She does not want to take the risk of losing her camgirl job because this is her revenue. Explain your offer once you are on a social media.

Also, some camgirl websites retain text messages for a long time.

Don't believe in their rich lifestyle:

Some camgirls pretend they make a lot of money. In fact, they get a small commission of their work. Don't forget that when you tip a camgirl, a part of it goes to tax, a part of it may go to a studio, a part of it goes to the website, The remaining share is paid to the camgirl. I have been able to assess the purchasing power of these camgirls. First around Moscow, the rentals are not so high. They always live in small studios. They have few furniture.

Making an offer:

Since these women aren't pro, you must make an offer. It is important not to spoil the woman. I made this mistake. I overpaid.

So, I suggest you to visit the local websites for locals in Russian. You will see.

https://msk17.dosug-gid.net/f/cena_za_chas_ot=1000, cena_za_chas__do=7000/.

http://w.intim-city.nl/

Don't expect the woman to take any decision, have a plan in mind. For instance, if she lives in a remote town around Moscow. You may need to visit her or she must visit you. So, don't ask her which option she wants. If you prefer to see her in Moscow, pay for the train. That's it. Let's sum up, you should have a plan in place. You must know how you will meet her, you know how much time you will spend with her. You will tell her what you want from her. You know how much money you want to give her. Beforehand, tell her your plan in details so that she just has to say yes or no. If she says no, you can ask her why. And then, you can modify your plan. The payment method should be part of your plan. Bitcoin is the best because it requires the smallest number of administrative tasks. I already paid a girl via western union online but there were a lot of painful tasks to do. One of my credit card was denied several times. With Webmoney, they monitor you and it is a really bad idea. I never used Yandex money though. I think that online payments are a great trap because they conn you into thinking that they provide the easiest way to pay. Then, they freeze your payment and they ask you to provide supporting documents. This is an issue that I never had with Western Union and moneygram.

So for instance, a woman was ok to meet me. She didn't want to have sex with me. She didn't want any penetration. I told her that she could give me a blowjob for a smaller price.

It is important to bring her all guarantees that everything is safe for her.

Convince her:

I have learned to decode what women told me. If a woman told me: "it is not going to happen" "it will not happen". You can answer have a nice day. There will be nothing you will be able to do.

In the contrary, if she says: "I don't meet people from here". This is another story. This means she may work as a pro in the real world.

I never use the word prostitute or escort when I communicate with a woman.

In fact, I use the following arguments to convince her (you don't need to use all of them, they work depending on the situation).

= if she would have to move to Germany, Duba or Thailand to make money in a club, she would have to leave far away from her home city.

= God knows what type of problems she can face in a foreign country in a club.

= She will get 100% of the money while she usually has to pay huge commissions to third partiers like studios or websites or escort agency.

= If she has any question, if she wants to know me better, I tell her than she can talk to me.

= pay a down payment to her. I paid until now, half of the money, but I think that it could be too much. Maybe it would be better to pay 1 third when you schedule the meeting, 1 third just before the meeting, 1 third when you meet via your smartphone. Camgirls asked me to pay via Bitcoins and western unions.

= If she is concerned about her reputation, tell her that you are a foreigner, you don't know anybody in Russia.

= Nobody will know. On the other hand, if she would work as a pornstar, everybody would know.

Shy women:

Shy women prefer to meet you in a neutral place first and then, they will agree to meet you in a hotel room or in your apartment.

You need more time to trust women:

It is slightly more expensive but before meeting a woman, I had a snapshat conversation with her. If you do this, you will be able to identify the scammers and the good girls.

[Henri Dufresne]

I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?

There are no rules from this point of view. You can really be surprised. For instance, an experienced camgirl may be totally reluctant to meet you while a fresh 20-year old is very motivated.

Apart from this, I have several things to say about camgirls and especially social medias.

I think that Instagram, Telegram and snapshat are gold mines. Twitter isn't because when a camgirl works for a studio, her twitter account is managed by the studio. Facebook is packed with fake pros or men who impersonate women, stay away from facebook. No pros are on Vk as well.

The social medias of the first group allows you to send private messages without risks. These social medias maximize your chances of success let me explain you why. They are all linked to the smartphone phone number of a girl. The smartphone is a personal thing. So, you can be sure that nobody else will read your messages. With hindsight, I tell myself that we should not be too pushy when we chat on camgirl websites. Employees these camgirl websites can read us. They could stop accepting people to exchange instagram, close your account, suspend the camgirl account, remove the link to an instagram account. Also, the least you chat on camgirl websites and the cheaper it costs you. Some websites allow you to send a PM to the camgirl on the website against a tip. So, then, you can get her instagram and then, from the instagram, you make your offer.

For your information, I have two phones. One for kinky things with instagram, snapshat account with pros with and one for official things. I just found it handy. By the way, the suggestions on instagram are maybe a gold mine too. However, Most of these women have private profiles and they must accept your friend request first.

So, once you are on her list and once you can send her a message, that's it, you can make her a detailed offer. I have several things to add about it. Camgirls are not like regular pros. They are often paranoid. So, you may likely need to meet her in a neutral place like a mall or a coffee shop first. Suggest to meet her in a coffee shop or a mall first because she may never met a customer before in real life. On Russian websites, some liars tell scammer stories or horror stories to Russian girls and you should make her feel comfortable.

So, you should not chit chat. Personally I am always polite on instagram in a PM, I say thing like: "Hello, I hope you had a nice day" and then I go straight to the point because I know these women need work. Usually, these women don't make an offer. So don't burn your wings, be aware of the prices. If she does not want, did you suggest to meet in a neutral place first? Tell her that you don't want to bother her everything would be find, that she would be paid on the spot.

Some girls don't live in Moscow. They may live around Moscow or further. It is always easier to visit them than visiting you. However, I always check one thing for safety matter. I always check if the camgirl has a boyfriend or husband. If she has one, I stay away from it because I know that Russian couples are the first to mastermind a plan to scam you. In general, I check if there are other people out of sight who interact with the camgirl. If there are it is a big no because it could be a trap. So, for instance, I check if I can see the hands of the camgirl when she types because somebody out of sight may chat with you while the camgirl is doing her show.

It is quite easy to stay away from toxic people because you can assess the situation before meeting the girl. Also, you can stop communicating with a girl whenever you want.

I like the fact that unlike regular pros from classified ads, you are never face a fait accompli. Let me explain. When you visit a pro staying in a hotel room, you may not have seen her before. You don't know her at all. You don't know what she thinks what she agrees to do. With camgirls you can chat with her beforehand.

To me it is still a work in progress.

[Desin]

I have collected contacts in Mamba, but the difference is that the women you describe are the ones I avoid. I don't like their looks.

That method of yours considering camgirls is nice. Do you specifically target new girls, or more seasoned ones?

[Henri Dufresne]

Good post. Although I'm amazed that she came there, could have just kept the money she already got. I wonder if this financial question or about being raised to be honest, to be obliged to fulfill one's own words in agreements? I ask this because I would like to learn if Russian women trustworthy in this regard. Mamba girls for example.

Trust is a big issue in Russia.

I didn't pay everything upfront, I paid equivalent of 75 euros first and then 75 euros upon arrival. But still you are right I could have lost 75 euros. But in general this is the same on camgirl websites. You can spend a lot of money without getting anything in return.

To me the Mamba girls are the least trustworthy women in Russia. You find on this website, lazy women who want to make money by doing nothing. They look for a sugar daddy relationship in which they will give nothing in return. On camgirl websites, at least, they perform sex shows. They do something.

I think that in Russia all scammers are on Tinder and Mamba. I call them the fake pros. The fake prostitutes. Fake prostitutes wear fit dresses, they have big lips, they have a lot of makeup but they do nothing. They refuse to escort men and you must be extremely careful. These women claim that they are pros, they conn you into paying first. Then, you get nothing in return.

On mamba, you find the woman who want to go to the restaurant for free. The psychologically twisted women that nobody wants to date. The undercover lesbians. The most common one, the women who are looking for a financial provider coming from a western country. It is now the same on tinder.

Mamba and Tinder are overrated. They are scams to me.

[Henri Dufresne]

Expect a low success rate = 5%.

In send a private message, I start in English, I start speaking about porn and then I switch to Russia and make a suggestion. I do this so that if a third party reads the chat without understanding Russian, he will think we speak about something else by reading the sentences in English.

It is very difficult to formulate. You must avoid speaking about money but she must understand you.

So, at the beginning, I said I am looking for a woman who would like to accompany me and have fun. I'd pay for this service. Still, I am not satisfied with this technique. When the woman said no, I always left my social media account that matched with her.

For instance, if she said no, I answered:

Thank you I don't bother you anymore, if you change your mind, my instagram / snapshat / telegram is.

Sometimes camgirls sell their snap, instagram, whatsapp. You can buy a social media account but then, it could be a pure sunk cost if after sending a PM on a social media, the woman say no, I m not interested in escorting.

Also some women work for a studio, they can't say they are interested because they are monitored.

Then, we should share either instagram, snap. Or a phone number for telegram or whatsapp. When you are on instagram, snap, telegram, whatsapp you can be straightforward; not before. Except twitter, no social media accounts are managed by a studio of a camgirl. Studios don't invest into smartphones and phone number.

The disadvantages of the technique:

I I think it is very important to make her understand that she will benefit from the deal. If you don't speak about money, they would be no benefits. She may tell you she is not interested because she does not see any benefit.

Advice:

Be as precise as you can, mention that you live in a neighborhood of Moscow, and look for company to make her understand that it is possible.

I am sorry it is a work in progress.