Moscow

[Jake993]

Well on my last night I went back to Night Flight hoping my first visit was an anomaly. And second visit was much better.

Part of the first night problem I think was not staying late enough. I made the innocent mistake of asking one of the girls if it would get busier later on. She said no no definitely not, but I think now she was thinking I was wondering about delaying my choice and she was trying to remove all hope. I was just curious.

But anyway I went back midweek and there were more people there which made it nicer to be in. A couple of good looking girls, one of whom I took out of the club. After making that decision a 10/10 blonde girl in a short dress came in. I am normally complaining about everything so if I say 10 then I'm impressed.

I picked my girl based on personality and looks, I think she was about an 8 and I was happy because she was just a fun girl to hang around with with a good spirit and that's all one can hope for. So it ended on a good note.

Great to hear! Just to underscore your comments, Friday, Saturday and Sunday nights are dead at Night Flight and even mid-week things don't going until about 11:30.

[Protocol]

Well on my last night I went back to Night Flight hoping my first visit was an anomaly. And second visit was much better.

Part of the first night problem I think was not staying late enough. I made the innocent mistake of asking one of the girls if it would get busier later on. She said no no definitely not, but I think now she was thinking I was wondering about delaying my choice and she was trying to remove all hope. I was just curious.

But anyway I went back midweek and there were more people there which made it nicer to be in. A couple of good looking girls, one of whom I took out of the club. After making that decision a 10/10 blonde girl in a short dress came in. I am normally complaining about everything so if I say 10 then I'm impressed.

I picked my girl based on personality and looks, I think she was about an 8 and I was happy because she was just a fun girl to hang around with with a good spirit and that's all one can hope for. So it ended on a good note.

[YummyPL]

Jake,

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive. Now at the moment my flight and accommodation problems have been solved. It s time to make my list for club and salon visits.

It is really hard to beat that location for the price. It is a really nice area to walk from. That was the neighborhood I stayed in and was very happy there.

[Stravinsky]

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive.

Don't forget to bring toilet paper!!

1. Club aurora 911 (Despite my bad memories and protocol s negative comments I will definitely visit it. Anyone wants to join who is in town? They have a strict divan policy so I can order a beer for a friend make us sit on seat there together.)

Don't pay too much attention to Protocol. If you read through all 27 of his posts, it seems he travels the world, visiting strip clubs and complaining. People usually find what they are looking for--if you expect to have a bad time, you will.

7. A decent Russian massage salon. (I need to RTFF to find out)

My favorite is www.erotic-massage.ru They have been around for a long time and, as far as I know, they are the only massage in Moscow to offer "intime" service. They now also offer выезд (outcall). Each of the dyeffki have different prices, so check them all out. The location near Smolenskaya Metro (Смоленская) should be within walking distance from your flat. Only problem is, you may have trouble to communicate with them in English, but I think that will be true with all the massage places.

счастливо

[Iceberg27]

Jake,

My reservation is confirmed on airbnb by Yaroslav.

https://www.airbnb.com.tr/rooms/767662

I have read the comments about it. Mostly positive. Now at the moment my flight and accommodation problems have been solved. It s time to make my list for club and salon visits.

As follows;

1. Club aurora 911 (Despite my bad memories and protocol s negative comments I will definitely visit it. Anyone wants to join who is in town? They have a strict divan policy so I can order a beer for a friend make us sit on seat there together.)

2. Golden Dolls.

3. Fantasys salon (this time I will find someone who speaks Russian to help me in communication. Any other recommendation for salons?)

4. An appropiate salsa club. (Yes I can dance!)

5. Che.

6. Old school pub.

7. A decent Russian massage salon. (I need to RTFF to find out)
8.Club angels
Your comments and contributions will highly be appreciated.

Regards.

[Stylish Man 17]

Hi. This is my first time posting on the Moscow page having only recently changed jobs and relocated from Dubai. I'm interested to find out whether anyone has any decent contacts for WGs or masseuses in the Molodejnaya or Krylatskoye area who speak English and offer an incall service? I've read back through past posts and there seems to be little specific info on this. I've been to a place on Kut Prospect for an erotic massage a few times (2500rub an hour for a massage, HJ and some access to assets). PM me if you want details. Only one or two girls speak (very poor) English. However, I'm eager to branch out and look for someone who offers full service. Can anyone help?

[Jake993]

You will have to excuse Rick, he has been in Russia so long he starts to do business like a Russian-several days to reply to an email is not unusual.

Did you look at Rick's website?

www.moscow-star.com

You can see all the flats he has available and the prices. I think you will be hard-pressed to find your own apartment for 100-115 USD per night. Not unless you take it for at least a week, or longer.

Check your PM.

I agree with Strav. Rick is not the most prompt replier. BTW, I understand that he's moved back to LA and has a local manager running the show. I don't know the apartment on Novinsky Bulvar, but the location is very good.

There are a few other serviced apartment groups in Moscow. Give me a day and I will track them down for you.

[Stravinsky]

Dear Strav and Jake,

Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR

You will have to excuse Rick, he has been in Russia so long he starts to do business like a Russian--several days to reply to an email is not unusual.

Did you look at Rick's website? www.moscow-star.com You can see all the flats he has available and the prices. I think you will be hard-pressed to find your own apartment for 100-115 USD per night. Not unless you take it for at least a week, or longer.

Check your PM.

[Iceberg27]

I also had good experiences with Rick's places.

As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).

Dear Strav and Jake,

Strangely Rick still didn't reply me for two days. I try to reach him via Oksana but no answer. I have also made a reservation via Airbnb to someone called Yaroslaw but having troubles. He doesn't speak Russian. My flat would be on Novinsky Boulevard. And my reservation is still waiting. I am nervous about accommodation. My budget is around 100-115 USD per night. I hope Rick can give this price. I don't want a shared room nor a room inside someone's flat. I need a separate whole studio. Your comments about accommodation will be appreciated. BR

[Jake993]

I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.

My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.

I also had good experiences with Rick's places.

As for places, Real McCoy is now closed. Che is still good. Down the street is Old School Pub which on Fridays nights is a pussyfest (lots of girls).

[Jake993]

I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.

As a "last ditch effort", you might want to try Angels (www.clubangels.ru). It's the newest of the chain in Moscow and they often borrow some of the best girls from Aurora, Penthouse, and The Loft for the first 6 months.

[Stravinsky]

For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not?

I have used Rick before and was very happy with the service and the apartments that he has to rent. When you consider what you are getting for the price, it's a much better deal than staying in a hotel.

My favorite is #26 Tverskaya, but #12 Karetny Ryad is a good choice if you want to save a little money. It's small, but well located. There is an Azbuxa Vkusa (super market) next door and Parizhkaya Zhizn used to be just around the corner. Not sure if it still is.

[Protocol]

Protocol,

I agree with you on all accounts.

What you have experienced is the "New Moscow" which is enjoying some degree of relative prosperity. When times are good, the really good looking girls have something better to do than hook and strip. The best place to see really stunning women in Moscow is not the strip club or the brothel, but in parks, restaurants, bars, clubs, stores, shopping malls, coffee shops and just about anywhere else pretty girls with a few rubles to spend like to hang out.

As has been said time and time again, if you come to Moscow expecting the P4P candy factory of yesteryear, forget it. It's not here.

It's bad news for mongers to be sure. The scene has shifted from P4P to traditional dating which, I assure you, is as promising as it ever has been due to the massive imbalance between men and women in Moscow.

Jake

I am more just going to the strip clubs to look and chat without any complications.

I've done some of the bars and walked around and such and still didn't see anything that made my head snap around. Staying at a five star hotel in a lot of locations you see beautiful people around, but not here.

The one beautiful girl I did see was a date, but as mentioned below without promises of St. Tropez, Champagne and Business Class flights to Maldives she was lukewarm to me though we had a nice time. I am not looking for a $10,000 / month expense that is going to whine and moan about not seeing me enough so I didn't make any attempts to push it forward. Also they are looking for lockdown. Someone who travels and enjoys the world is not so interesting as a man saying, here's how much I make per year, I live in Switzerland, I need a beautiful wife who doesn't have to work, and I want three children over the next 5 years. I get that impression too, especially if the ratio is not favoring them they have more reason to discard the unserious types as the faster they discard the more beauty time they have left on the clock to find someone who will buy the product.

I'm finding that to be pick your poison, plus I am not a bad guy, I won't flirt with and try to get the attention of a woman who is 30 and looking for something serious by pretending to be something I'm not. I'll be honest with her and she can make her decision. I'm not in this to make someone feel scammed or hurt or sad or lonely, god knows there is enough of that out there in the world.

I have two more nights here and hopefully will see something interesting before I go, just as a tourist, hoping to see some beautiful sights.

[Protocol]

Interesting report. I was in Moscow about 4 years ago and I never saw so many beautiful women under a roof. Keep in mind I use to troll US strip clubs in the late 90's when there truly was a lot of EE's. It is my personal belief that VK has connected the girls so well among a cities Russian community that these venues are no longer as attractive to the top girls. Quality devs can now survive with gifts from referenced/qualified friends.

You look on something like VK and you'd think that Moscow was filled with stunning women.

I saw only one.

The huge disappointment has been the strip clubs in Moscow. I thought that they'd be better than SPB but Maximus was far and away better than these places.

Flashdancers in NYC is now almost 100% Russian and Ukrainian girls and they're gorgeous. Fitness trainers, models, beautiful girls coming over to hunt for their banker husband I guess. Even in Thailand in some of the clubs in Patong you will see very beautiful girls. Moscow has been the absolute bottom of the barrel. I went there just before coming to Moscow so I was thinking wow, I will be dying and going to heaven.

Instead I was having a drink and getting the hell out as fast as I could.

To me to have 15% of the girls in a Moscow strip club working coming from Africa says that you just don't have enough pretty girls at home to fill your club. Nothing against African girls but if I were looking for them I'd go to Africa or the USA, my thoughts on Moscow were about seeing Russian girls. The African girls were the only ones in good shape too at 911.

So maybe your theory is right.

This is just a bad job for a pretty girl at this point in time, with so many of them going to other countries now, the ones left are in balance with the money being thrown at them from the oligarchy. You can model nude and get $100 / hr if it comes to it and have nobody touch you. You can have a rich boyfriend buy you things and get you into all the right places and take you on trips. Or you can just exit and leave the competition behind and go to Miami or New York and make your friends back home jealous who "want USA."

I did stop into Night Flight and there were some nice girls there (nice as in nice, not beautiful) but it looked like Uzbek, Khazak kind of imports that you will see in Bangkok claiming to be Russian. They have that style of dress and makeup that looks like 1980s Soviet Union.

Once these girls here get some kind of money to get the things they want, they've shifted into status from what I can tell, so it's about going out to the top places to take pictures to show your friends showing your clothes, shoes, purse and where you currently are, so that everyone knows what an awesome life you're leading.

Going out with friends, the girls in the party have come up, everyone has the iPhone5S instantly after release (don't even think it was released yet in Moscow?) , Louboutin shoes. 22 year old girls driving up in BMW5 and 7 series cars, $20,000 watches.

I do have to make one correction in that I met a beautiful girl from Mamba but it's serious dating and she wants to fly business class, and all of that stuff or not travel anywhere because she is flying so much on vacations previously that she finds it tiring. Some of these girls now spend their summers in France, Monaco, St. Tropez, Ibiza. If you talk about travel to a place like Thailand they think you're poor because you didn't go to Maldives. I don't think I met her standards either though mostly Russian girls seem to like me and I get along with them fine.

So in conclusion, if you want just an average kind of girl that you can meet at home in the USA you will probably continue to do fine here. If you want a beautiful girl, you're probably better off looking at home because here you're going to have to import a suitcase filled with gold. Or better yet, look for Russian girls outside of Russia far from the oligarchy.

If you want just a nice average girl, they are out there, and I did meet them socially. But these are girls that you should be nice to and keep and treat well as a girlfriend, they're not for fun flings.

I've been battling with taxi drivers who want 1, 000 rubles for a 10 minute ride, and had some propose 1, 500 and 2,000.

Just not worth it overall, the product pricing has spun way high and the quality is certainly not easily found unless you're already living the lifestyle where it comes and finds you. I think therein lies the rub with Moscow.

[Iceberg27]

Fellow mongerers will remember; I had a great adventure in Moscow in 2010 and it was sad sometimes rewarding mostly. So I gave a promise to people on this forum. I would have come back again. Now it's time to keep my words. After exhausting analysis and comparisons I decided to come Moscow for 17. 10-20. 10. 2013 despite protocol's negative reports on city. My only fear is bad weather but I looks temps. Are over 5 °C for the period that I will come there. I have bought my ticket. Check I Fly and Pegasus. Both are giving great prices to Moscow and now second step is to find a good accommodation. When I was in St. Pete in March. I had used Oxana's apartments (nevsky88) and I was so much happy with their service. The owner is an American married with a Russian woman. For moscow they also give contact to another american who stays in there and again married with a Russian. Which apartment service you guys are using? And is there anyone who had used Rick's service before? You were happy or not? Do you know any disco night club for hunting like Real Mccoy or Che?