Moscow

[Pizdyets]

Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer...

No Acolonizer... Now that's a rule to live by.

[Nickc]

[QUOTE=Acolonizer]I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus. QUOTE]

What do you mean no Santa!?! Who told you that? Its a lie.

Regards "no rules or morality", theres plenty of rules, the girls and clients invent their own rules i.e. no swallowing, kissing, condoms only, no Acolonizer, no kissing etc... Whats right for one girl or client may be wrong for another.

Prehaps if a girl is belligerent or cynical that is a reflection on the client.
Girls often reflect back what the client is like. That can be a positive to.

Cheers Nickc

[AColonizer]

At least, you are lovely.

There is no room to reply about any point of yours, because I have got at least one story for each of them.

Anyway it is sure, all men, every man, each man got a karoleski miniet for the first time, he was shocked for some days. Therefore this is a method to understand who gets real sex and who gets a plastic doll.

Ah, yes... the Korolevski minyet, "the King's blowjob"

OK, I think I understand this. Let's see...

1/1.5 blow/sec for 20 minutes = 1200 seconds = 1200 to (1200/1.5=800) 800 blow for 30.00 = .025 to .0375 dollars/blow, right? But, wait a minute, some short pauses are allowed, so we need to recalculate.

If we assume a 2 sec. pause every, let's say, 20 blows (the King can afford to be generous, after all) what we have then is anywhere from 1200-(2 * 60) = 1080 blows to 800-(2 * 40) = 720 blows, which changes our original calulation to .0277 and .0416 dollars/blow, respectively.

So, then, all I have to do in order to make sure that I am not a cheated monger is to negotiate with the girl for no less than a minimum of .0416 dollars/blow, and I should be getting good value for my money.

I think this will not be a problem, assuming that I still want the blow job by the time I finish the negotiation.

With regard to swallowing, I'm not sure I understand your fascination. Certainly you don't believe that the girl is so impressed with your manhood that you are the only man whose cum she will swallow??? If she will swallow yours, then she will, most likely, swallow everyone else's. Even mine!

I'm sure you're a wonderful man Aco, very diplomatic, with an angelic face and a pleasant demeanor. Please excuse me, but I'm not sure I want to swap bodily fluids with a girl who has been swallowing your cum, or anyone else's. And you shouldn't either.

Arrividerci

[Stravinsky]

The successful of a monger is measured by this "sexual unit", the karoleski miniet aka the deepthroat swallow blowjob, with 1/1.5 blow per second, and for an average duration of 20 minutes (some short pauses are allowed meanwhile). If a man get a karoleski miniet immediately with no bargaining or very little bargaining, then that man is a very successful monger. Otherwise he is just a cheated man.

Ah, yes... the Korolevski minyet, "the King's blow job"

OK, I think I understand this. Let's see...

1/1.5 blow/sec for 20 minutes = 1200 seconds = 1200 to (1200/1.5=800) 800 blow for 30.00 = .025 to .0375 dollars/blow, right? But, wait a minute, some short pauses are allowed, so we need to recalculate.

If we assume a 2 sec. pause every, let's say, 20 blows (the King can afford to be generous, after all) what we have then is anywhere from 1200-(2 * 60) = 1080 blows to 800-(2 * 40) = 720 blows, which changes our original calculation to .0277 and .0416 dollars/blow, respectively.

So, then, all I have to do in order to make sure that I am not a cheated monger is to negotiate with the girl for no more than a maximum of .0416 dollars/blow, and I should be getting good value for my money.

I think this will not be a problem, assuming that I still want the blow job by the time I finish the negotiation.

With regard to swallowing, I'm not sure I understand your fascination. Certainly you don't believe that the girl is so impressed with your manhood that you are the only man whose cum she will swallow??? If she will swallow yours, then she will, most likely, swallow everyone else's. Even mine!

I'm sure you're a wonderful man Aco, very diplomatic, with an angelic face and a pleasant demeanor. Please excuse me, but I'm not sure I want to swap bodily fluids with a girl who has been swallowing your cum, or anyone else's. And you shouldn't either.

Arrividerci

[AColonizer]

Dear Strav, I thank for your honest reply.

I need to remind prostitution is a business only: there is no rules or morality about that. I didn't decide that. That is what exactly prostitutes think and behave in reality. Tender girls and sweet words are part of the business: who believes them, he is like a person who believes Santa Claus.

Therefore I want to buy a service for a honest price, I want that service is in good quality, I don't want to be cheated.

About swallow blowjobs, the reality is the opposite of what people think. In prostitution history, prostitutes work for (deepthroat) blowjobs above all, in the past there were no condoms, and therefore all blowjobs were swallowed. Now prostitutes are still used to work in that way. And I am very surprised to read here men talking about blowjobs with or without condoms! All my (Italian) married work colleagues when they talk about (and get) blowjobs, they always mean swallow blowjobs "because for a married man it doesn't make sense to get less sex than his wife"! (It is interesting like married men are perverted much more than singles: in fact married men are usually interested in things such as fistings, prolapses and other sadic treatments on prostitutes).

For information of this forum, a young vagina can receive up to three whole hand inside, and a young anus can receive up to two whole hands or half arm (about 35 centimetres) inside (with or without anesthetic cream such as Luan).

I know a logic rule about prostitution: if a woman usually makes swallow blowjobs, it is not sure she is used to uncovered vaginal and anal; instead if a woman usually makes uncovered vaginal and anal, it is sure she is used to swallow blowjobs. Therefore this is an easy rule to understand if a prostitute is surely a lier (about this matter).

At last, I want to remind everything I wrote is my personal statistics from my real experience, that is not a chit-chat or a philosophizing as most of men here.

And I want to reply a question of yours: yes, my first Ukrainian (with a Siberian origin) prostitute, met here in Italy, was young (19 years old), clean, beautiful, smart, sweet, piggish and she was used, from 13 years old, in Ukraine, to make things such as swallows, facials, double and triple penetration, multiple fistings etc. Unfortunately, this is the reality, not what people think.

Moreover, if Ukrainians and Russians always do that abroad, why couldn't they do that in their motherlands??? (Of course, they have learned that in their motherlands.)

I want to explain my last sentence in my previous report: "That's how to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?". The successful of a monger is measured by this "sexual unit", the karoleski miniet aka the deepthroat swallow blowjob, with 1/1.5 blow per second, and for an average duration of 20 minutes (some short pauses are allowed meanwhile). If a man get a karoleski miniet immediately with no bargaining or very little bargaining, then that man is a very successful monger. Otherwise he is just a cheated man.

Anyway, ask pimps about this matter and they will reply you exactly what I wrote.

Herein lies the key to your disappointment, friend-o. You're expecting that young, attractive pros will accommodate your fetishes (swallow BJs and fisting) at bargain rates. NFW. Not in Moscow, and most likely, not anywhere - at least anywhere I've engaged in p4p: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Philippians, US, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Greece...

First off, with rare exception, salons (at least in Moscow) are CBJ only. Tolerate it, despise it, avoid it like the plague... that's just the way it is. As for swallowing - well, I can't say that I've had a single pro here do it. Ironically, offers of BBFS seem to be more common. That said, almost all my freebie girls have swallowed without my even asking. Might be an avenue for you to consider. Second, girls able to take a guy's fist are usually... how to so it nicely... a bit older. Finding a beautiful, young, big-titted dyev able to take a guy's fist at any price will prove to be a challenge. That said, I have found one. Read my posts carefully, and you'll discover who, and where you can find her.

[Stravinsky]

Haha! I don't think anyone in Moscow would mistake Stravinsky for Russian! Hope you don't take offense to that, Strav, but it's the Gods-honest truth.

LOL! No offense taken, P.

However, you may be surprised... While no one would take me for a Russian, no one that I have met in Eastern Europe has ever pegged me as an American. Typically Baltic states, sometimes Poland or maybe German, but never an American.

To be pegged as an American right off the bat, that would be offensive!

[Irish Lad]

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[It Travel]

C'mon Acon. That's ridiculous.

99% of the salons are cheating and dangerous? More like 99% are completely safe.

Kiev vs. Moscow is another story, the cities are less alike than one might think, both with their positive and negative sides.

I was once often going to a salon at the end of Arbat, not far from the ministry. After some time the owner/manager was even chit chatting with me and the girls were doing their best services… including anal and BBBJ, it is not in their interest to be too stupid.

The Gotika thing is really strange I was reading the report today… I never went out for such things…

IT

[Pizdyets]

Sorry, couldn't resist not inserting myself into this little spat.

you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs

Haha! I don't think anyone in Moscow would mistake Stravinsky for Russian! Hope you don't take offense to that, Strav, but it's the Gods-honest truth.

I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.

Modest, too. I'm impressed.

General bitching about the Moscow p4p scene redacted.

As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.

How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?

Herein lies the key to your disappointment, friend-o. You're expecting that young, attractive pros will accommodate your fetishes (swallow BJs and fisting) at bargain rates. NFW. Not in Moscow, and most likely, not anywhere - at least anywhere I've engaged in p4p: Russia, Ukraine, Belarus, China, Japan, Thailand, Vietnam, Mexico, Philippians, US, Czech, Slovakia, Hungary, Germany, Greece...

First off, with rare exception, salons (at least in Moscow) are CBJ only. Tolerate it, despise it, avoid it like the plague... that's just the way it is. As for swallowing - well, I can't say that I've had a single pro here do it. Ironically, offers of BBFS seem to be more common. That said, almost all my freebie girls have swallowed without my even asking. Might be an avenue for you to consider. Second, girls able to take a guy's fist are usually... how to so it nicely... a bit older. Finding a beautiful, young, big-titted dyev able to take a guy's fist at any price will prove to be a challenge. That said, I have found one. Read my posts carefully, and you'll discover who, and where you can find her.

[AColonizer]

Stravinsky, you forgot:

- you speak Russian (very well, don't you?), and Russians can identify you as one of theirs;

- when people talk about prostitutes (women asking presents, money or anything else), people talk about a business only: nobody can be successful in a business with a naive approach. And further: no men can be successful in any relationship with a woman with a naive approach.

I am a very diplomatic boy, with an angelic face, with a good-manner, on thirties, well-groomed.

And that is not paranoia, instead that is cold statistics. In my first time in Moscow, I met 40 prostitutes selected from Internet sites, brothels and night clubs. I found just one only advertisement with real pictures, nice girl but not young, I fucked her anally (all, all indeed, women like that in the ass!), but sex was in general without passion and quite expensive (like any other thing in central Moscow). I went to a lot of brothels in central Moscow, and with my disappointment, prostitutes doubled prices when they understood I am a foreigner, I fucked one only young and sweet girl in a brothel, but before payment she said "yes, yes, yes" and after payment she said "no, no, no", I complained with her and her colleague, but they put me on the door, and many other stories, about your "famous" night clubs too.

As I am an experienced monger, I can report "Moscow doesn't deserve an (expensive) travel for sex" with no doubts.

How to ask men: how many of yours always get a karoleski miniet in Moscow for 30$?

Aco,

I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this is an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.

I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.

From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.

[Stravinsky]

Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?

Aco,

I think your paranoia needs to be refuted, because this is an informational board and there are a lot of guys out there who come here for advice and I don't want them to think that anything like what you are describing has ever happened in Moscow.

I have personally been in more than a few salons, massage parlors and private apartments in Moscow and I have never encountered anything that even remotely resembles the kind of belligerent behavior that you are describing. I think that my experience is typical. I imagine that most of the guys here, who have experience in Moscow, would confirm that. This is your own personal perspective on the world and you do not speak for anyone else.

From your posts, it seems that you are a belligerent kind of person, in general. You approach the world with a combative frame of mind. So, it is no wonder that if you go looking for a fight, you will find one. But your experience is unique to yourself and it does not necessarily represent what anyone else may find in Moscow, or anywhere else.

[AColonizer]

Never tried three angry prostitutes with their one-inch finger-nails in your eyes?

And you forgot, with prostitutes, honesty is a pure philosophical abstraction.

Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult

Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.

[Eros74]

...and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard....

Well by prostitutes it seems a bit difficult

Bodyguard has no reasons at all to beat a customer that behave well and honestly never had the feeling of no safety in private apts in Moscow....imho.

[AColonizer]

Oh yes, yes: that is real life, and when that happens, there is no solution for the trouble, and that happens periodically. This is an informational forum, and not a self-erotic chit chat.

Paranoia strikes deep,

Into your heart it will creep.

It starts when you're always afraid...

[Stravinsky]

what can he do if a prostitute (often) cheats him for a lot of money (crisis? where?)? Can he complain??? He has just lost his money, and also he risks to be beaten by prostitutes or by the bodyguard. Moreover he risks to be stolen of everything. And he can't phone police because police is corrupted.

Paranoia strikes deep,
Into your heart it will creep.
It starts when you're always afraid...